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my views Author: Kheinsa, Posted: Tue 29 Apr 2003 8:49 pm Subject: my views I have kept quiet for a long time on many things on the net. I have always stated I am for the tech as Ron wrote it. I have not change that at all. In fact being out of the church just reinforces it to me the hard way and I was able to look for myself. I refused to look before at the evil SP"s. I know now it is a case condition which can be handled. It is not a person who fights for the tech that is an SP. Just because someone spoke up for the tech does not make one. Also not following bad orders does not make one. I tend not to want to keep quiet on wrongs and that led me out of the church faster than would have. I was told by a friend I would have left anyhow. I saw for years the hope and saying what would be and it did not happpen. I am getting too hold to wait for hope. I read the stories on the net. I know some are true and I know some are altered to make it worse. I know some are lies. I know that the tech is being suppressed by many people. It is getting hard to find someone who does not justify what is going on in and out of the church. I may not be a trained auditor but I did audit in the past and that is why I knew enough to find the wrongs. I read enough to know. People do have the right to choose who to talk to or not to talk to. An auditor accepts a responsility that goes beyond that. He accepts the responsibility for that person in a way. He accepts the responsiblity for doing what is best for that being and that is using commmunication, truth and honest and all of the tech to help that person. That did not happen to me. I waited for a long time to see if it would be put right. Yes, I wanted restored ARC but now that is beyond the point. It is no longer important. It lead me to the knowledge I was right on the out tech. The tech was refused to be put in too. That is when I blew up but that did not put me out till I wrote higer up on the out tech. Then they used that to put me out. To bad they did not know I was starting to accept how it was. But I guess I never really would have. Now putting me out led me to look and question. When I got a computer I looked on the net and I was afraid to look at first. It is a real education too. One poeple should have. If you know the tech it will protect you. I went through a period of upset but I blew through that in time. I did not like my computer being bugged and my email being checked to Virginia. She informed me what happened and then I knew something was up for sure. It is why I know something is wrong out there. In the end I got smarter and found the bug on my computer. It is when I went and got better programs to protect my computer and reformted my computer. I did not like my yahoo email password changed either. I killed that one easily. I found the problem and stomped on that one. Also the virus sent to me after I posted by accident my real email address. Now that still reinforced it to me. Now all the attacks on my firewall which I had traced and one did trace to the wildest places. South America. Most have been canada and the US. I no longer track them much. Then there are young kids who are running shows they should not be running. Yes, they may be immortal but they are still kids. I am glad I never let a kid audit me. I made a mistake to let a twenty something to audit me. It is like letting me as I was audit someone. Big mistake. The ARC is out for there is little R. I also was audited by a being lower than my case level. I also paid for professional auditing and I got student. I believe it was thought that I was not trained I would not notice something was out. I did question the change of auditors. I had 6 of them in two trips. That told me. soemthing was wrong but I accepted it. My fault. But I was trained enough I noticed. I read enough HCOB to notice. I found my org had better tech then anywhere else. The people at least at my org sounded real. The are good people and I like them. I hope they make it. I pray they do. It also told me that when I was upset the people used the TR to the point that I noticed it did not sound like a person was behind the command but a can praticed reply. That is worse in other places than the local org. How I hated that. The one's who I really liked talked to me directly and cared. Well I thought they did but they showed they did not by cutting their comm with me because they were told to. I also noticed when I wrote up to the higher up is when I was tossed. I was accepting that the people cared and I wanted to work to fix me and to train as an auditor. I spent a lot of money to go do a program just after I wrote higher up. Instead of finding the help I told would be there I was tossed by an 18 year old who told me that I was next to garbage. I stood proud that night when I was tossed and told him by George's that then there are a lot of us then. He said yes there was. Then I started to have real problems at work. I wonder on that at times. No I am not doing a responsible for case as I was told I was. I know what I am responsible for and what I am not. Life is not a one way game where I am responsible for what others do I wanted to handle my ruin in the church. For over 20 years I wanted it. It never happened. I am working on it now. I am doing it on my own and I had more cogs on it now then in the church. I know who the SP is and I don't care about it anymore. I was given a program that was hard to do due to the church's bad PR. I would say what I had to do and the people in the field ran from me as they do not want any part of the church. I suppose that is due to the out tech and the SP's I also was to handle my PTSness. I never saw the whole thing in the church doing the PTS course. I saw bits and Peices but I never saw it all. I learned more out of the church by reading then I did in. I found my bug on M1 definition of FN. I found things that I did not understand before. I could not understand why I could understand it now and I did not in the church. It may be I am not pushing to get points for stats. There is no birthday game for me to push for. I am also aware that I need auditing before I become an auditor. yes, it is possible to be one without auditing. But in my case it is needed to be an auditor. For now I will read and work to break my habbit to read ACT and ARS. I read ARS just so I can keep tabs on the stats and find names of the people I care for and to see what they are doing. But they showed that I am hoping for nothing. My people are lost. The tech is close to being lost. IF they left me in the church I probably would not have looked on the net so soon. I was tossed and I looked. I understand how it works now. I may not be able to spot OPPS well but I can pick up a point or two these days. I don't want to play these games on the net any more. I read enough to know the freezone is not what it says it is. I avoided the traps by waiting to see. I saw where the tech is not being used right. I am for the tech as Ron Wrote it whereever it is. I see a lot now and I wanted to help but as people on the net can't trust for they don't know the purpose or who is on the other side of the keyboard I don't want to play that game anymore. I have been thought of as an Opp but I am not. I made an error and was on the wrong road by reading ARS and ACT and such junk. The right road to help my people is to study and audit daily. I am doing the lists for myself and read a bit too. the more I read the more I will understand. It is very sad at times when I remember how I cared for the people there. Today is such a day. Then I just pick myself up and go and work for the tech as Ron wrote it. Till I can have auditing I will do what I need to get there. I guess the answer was there for me all along. Study and audit daily. I got sidetracked on hoping someone else would help get my people back in comm with me. It is not going to happen. Even if the tech was in I could not afford to pay the prices in the church. People should help each outer out. They also justify why that should not happen. I am glad there was those in the church who did help and disagree. I will never be told to keep quiet again for the PR of the church. If the tech was in I would have shouted it from the rooftops. That is real PR. Instead of being told not to cry where I could be seen by others. I get it now. So Study and audit daily even if it is just a little bit for that like as seed will grow into the giant redwood of knowledge. I still have to break the desire to watch for I care for my people but one by one they showed they did not. They have their lives and I will build mine. Barbara Author: David Griffin, Posted: Wed 30 Apr 2003 12:14 am Subject: Homer, get a life. You guys and your posting identities. 
And why do you keep picking female identities to hide behind? Like "Barbara Schwarz" and "Kheinsa" for example. When are you guys gonna get the balls to quit hiding, and using all your complicated vias and assorted identities? Soon, if I have anything to do with it. David Author: Virginia McClaughry, Posted: Wed 30 Apr 2003 12:22 am Subject: Yeah really, Homer and the "guys" need to.... GET A LIFE! This whole broken down but still strong kind of halting and hesitant but hurt but sugar challenged but looking for my people, but confused but strong...etc. etc.. thing is REALLY ridiculous. You didn't think we actually BELIEVED it was "real" that whole time, did you?
Nawww...I think you thought we "wouldn't be seen" kicking a poor broken down but "still loyal" supposedly "person"...and...you thought it meant you had something that bothered us right? An area of "won't do"? Gotcha! 
Virginia Author: Virginia McClaughry, Posted: Wed 30 Apr 2003 12:29 am Subject: You guys gotta go recalculate all the vectors now...and redo the profiles and....come up with something new and hope that we "go for" that one like you want..and....err...but...it keeps NOT WORKING!
Hey, this is FUN! Oh come on...you know you liked it. 
Virginia Author: Kheinsa, Posted: Wed 30 Apr 2003 5:57 pm Subject: I am not homer. Nor would I be. Now I know something is wrong. If you think me Homer then he would need a sex transplant. Paul can drive down to my house and check me out. I gave him my data. No one has. I guess I will not post here anymore. I worked and followed you for as long as I been on the net. Now I wonder about the other things posted here. I'll gave you my phone number and I will send it to you via email. You can call me but I doubt I will speak from my heart again here. I speak from my heart and I got this. So I guess this is no great place to be. I thought you guys thought I was a spy or something. To tell you the truth I make a lousy spy. I don't want to play this game of who to trust and not trust anymore. Paul can check me out by driving to my doorstep. The church sure knows who I am better than you do. OSA called me in and sec checked me. I told the truth to all of you guys. So I guess I get it now. I don't want to play this game anymore. It is a bad game and does not get me up the bridge. So I challenge Paul to come to my door. I am home usually later for I am doing in internship at a mortgage company who does not think I am homer. IN fact they love me. I stood by you guys for a long time but this is the 2nd time this was done to me. I am a fan of star trek since I was a kid. It was my escape from my surppressive life but one saying I love fool me once shame on you but twice same on me. So I guess it is a shame on me. You can check me out but you did not and then you said I was homer who does not stick to standard tech. I think now I will stop checking this forum out too. I have paintings to work on. A life to live which I have been wasting on the net. I am going to work on building my life. and oh yeah if you saw I used the UB computer to access this site yes it was me. I was goofing off in school and checked the site out and my comptuer died for a week so I checked it out. So if that is where you got I am homer you are wrong. My ISP will change yet again. I got free when I got this comptuer and it was extended. It will run out and I have to get a cheap one. Wow I drive an old beat up car too that someone else owns. Makes me a wonderful spy does not. It makes me a lowlife such the MAA an now you guys said I was. Contact people at AsHO and ask about me and the auditor. It was a well known story. I give up here now. I get it now and you know what I don't resent this as much as it once would have like when I blew up on ACT or in the emails. I think now you do go off the rails. How many others are you wrong about? I don't know but I bet a few. I have some thinking to do now. I am glad this is now made clear to me. Now I have to find another belief that will make the tech go right. An out point means there is a situation. I don't know the tech as I am not that trained but I found an out point here. I am a bit angry now so I hope you check facts next time. It is so easty to check me out. Hell I found my son's dad on a lot less info than there can be had about me. I am not going to do any freezone stuff. I am out of this game. I hope you check your facts out from now on. Email is coming. Barbara Kheinsa. It came from a game on the net I played. Author: Virginia McClaughry, Posted: Wed 30 Apr 2003 6:22 pm Subject: Email from "Kheinsa"/"Barbara" See http://fza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=402. The "guys" are getting restless... Good. Virginia Author: Kheinsa, Posted: Wed 30 Apr 2003 11:24 pm Subject: OK Paul I am asking you to talk me off this board for good. If I get problems by my life in danger as my address and phone number is posted then I know where to come and I now have proof of it. I am glad I am getting out of this game. I talked to you Paul as a real person and I wanted you to meet me but now you don't have to for nothing I say will be taken as truth. I did not even bother to read the rest of the posting after I saw my address. I had no need to. I know the truth without it. I had the thought not to send that email. I guess I should not have but I did. I may look from time to time but I think my paintings are more important then this pain I get here and my study of the tech more important then being attacked. I mean it if someone comes to my door and I get hurt by your posting my address as anyone can read it now. Now the church knows that I mean this too so I get the point now. I don't care if you think I work for anybody. I just lost the use of the car today and I have no job and no now way to find a job now. But you will say that is a story too. SP's really get me they do the most damage the most possible damaging way. I am learning on how they are real well now and I don't want no part of it anymore. So I may look at this board but I will not post to it and I want Paul to delete Kheinsa as I will not be part of something that hurts people. Paul I mean this too. YOu can check on me if you wish but I bet it will not be done. For then you can tell it is the truth. I challenge this to be done. But I know it will not be. It will say the person at the door is lying. So this is a bad game and I want out of it. I will go on my own. I will study on my own and maybe one day I will have someone there to help me. YOU are lucky you grew up not under and SP. I did and I paid the price. So much for you saying you raise tone. So far mine has crashed so that means this is the wrong way. I am glad I know for sure now. Bye Paul. I hope your email was honest. I have no problem with you. Take care. Barbara Author: David Griffin, Posted: Thu 01 May 2003 6:14 am Subject: First "RedFred" and now "Kheinsa"... The posting identity "RedFred", which has been used for almost two years now for various operations involved in intelligence gathering, operational feedback, perception management and information warfare, etc., and which has been used for both overt and covert attacks against Virginia, Mike and myself, publicly "complains" at being "outed" by us. From the "RedFred" "reaction" to my post The Return of the Hammer: "Yeah, but Dave, why would you go broadcasting somebody's phone number on the internet? That's NOT a very nice thing to do. I found it "shocking" to be "outed" like that. 
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Oh gee. I'm sure they were really "surprised". The posting identity "RedFred" had previously used the name James Schisler on more than one occasion, and the posting headers show Daytona Beach, FL. A quick search on the internet yeilds the following publicly available information: J. E. Schisler 4628 Harbour Village Blvd. Ponce Inlet, FL 32127 386 756-7022 Another funny thing is that I perceive a different person behind the ACT post quoted above than the person I talked to on the phone. 
On Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003, 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net ("Kheinsa") read some interesting posts including: Virginia's "Freezone Survivor's Association-yet another OP..." http://fza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=395 A comm cycle between Virginia and Paul "'Freezone' Survivors Association: Robert Ducharme" http://fza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=386 Paul's "Falling Out, With Grace" http://fza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=397 And Virginia's and mine "A Long Time Ago..In A "Universe" Far Far Away... http://fza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=375 And then decided to do the post which now appears as "my views" by Kheinsa in the Member Exchange posted Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 4:49 pm. A bit later, "Kheinsa" reads Virginia's "What the Agents DON'T want to talk about...." http://fza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=398 However, "Kheinsa" never mentions any of these posts or the data in them. And then, similar to "RedFred", "Kheinsa" provides "contact" information. Then, taking the "RedFred" motion a little further, "Kheinsa" then implies that "harm" may come to "her" as a result of Virginia posting this: "Kheinsa": "I mean it if someone comes to my door and I get hurt by your posting my address as anyone can read it now." "If I get problems by my life in danger as my address and phone number is posted then I know where to come and I now have proof of it." I certainly hope this isn't the obvious setup, using the posting identity "Kheinsa", it appears to be. Another funny thing, when we looked at the picture that "Kheinsa" sent to Virginia in a private email, Virginia and I both got the same feeling... How interesting. David Author: misiunas, Posted: Thu 01 May 2003 2:03 pm Subject: Kheinsa, I am a bit unclear about your post. Are all the "you's" referring to me? I can't quite seem to determine whether your post is adressing just me or not, as it seems that much of what you wrote about addresses issues that I know nothing about. *scratches head * In a most co-incidental manner, I got an email today from the FZA.ORG domain registrar notifying me that my contact information should be checked and updated if needed since outdated information can be cause for losing the domain. Isn't that interesting? So I updated the records with my home address. The 'whois' information will probably take a while before it filters down, but you will be able to see it for yourself. If you think that the address is untrue, ask Mike Hunsaker because it will be the same address that he sent the CBR CD to. Bodily harm comes to bodies. Speaking of which. I think that it was Alan Walter that once said he had 12 bodies that he could walk into at any time. Something like that. Some thetans, in their quest for 'power' and 'glory' will use all sorts of methods of madness to accomplish their aims. Virginia has mentioned the 'main holder' a number of times and this relates quite well. First, one must find out that they ARE. Then, they can find out WHO they are. From there, it's just a matter of putting one foot after the other. Walk the path, not talk ABOUT the path. It's not the words that the 'FreeZone' is so famous for that is important, it's the ACTIONS. This probably isn't making any sense to you, but it might for someone. In either case, all that you must do to become 'inactive' on this Forum is to not post. Paul Author: Kheinsa, Posted: Thu 01 May 2003 9:27 pm Subject: My last post. I scanned the one message above and why I did not mention anything because I did not bother to read them. I read enough of your post I knew what you would say. I will not respond to you anymore. I did not bother to read most of it and I should not be responding to this. I answered paul questions and that is enough for me. I am stupid for replying to you. My friend yells at me for doing it. She is right. I am stupid. Paul said I don't have to post and I will go inactive and therefore my studing the tech is more important than watching this war. by the way I don't follow funny feelings as for me they are usally wrong. I follow facts when I can get them. So end of a very bad game. You think I read every post all the way through. I did not and will not. I will not be treated like this by anyone. Bye Author: David Griffin, Posted: Fri 02 May 2003 7:31 am Subject:
"the one message above"? First of all, there are two messages between "Kheinsa's" second and third posts, not one. Next, this is the second time on this thread that the person or persons behind this post have intentionally made it unclear who they are talking to.
Above it says "I did not bother to read them" and below it says "I read enough of your post I knew what you would say". Two completely contradictory statements.
2. "I read enough of your post" 3. "I did not bother to read most of it" Obviously, statement #1 above is a lie. Let's just see what was done (from the website logs) 4/29/03 19:02:40 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net index.php 4/29/03 19:03:06 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net viewforum.php Forum 5 - Member Exchange 4/29/03 19:03:12 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net viewtopic.php http://fza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=396 Paul's "Coinky-dink" Elapsed time: 01:24 4/29/03 19:04:36 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net viewforum.php Forum 4 - Data Collection 4/29/03 19:04:50 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net viewtopic.php http://fza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=395 Virginia's "Freezone Survivor's Association-yet another OP..." Elapsed time: 06:16 4/29/03 19:11:06 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net viewtopic.php http://fza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=386 comm cycle between Virginia and Paul "'Freezone' Survivors Association: Robert Ducharme" Elapsed time: 02:10 4/29/03 19:13:16 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net viewforum.php Forum 2 - Examination And Understanding 4/29/03 19:13:26 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net viewtopic.php http://fza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=397 Paul's "Falling Out, With Grace" Elapsed time: 01:49 4/29/03 19:15:15 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net viewforum.php Forum 6 - Off Topic & Just For Fun 4/29/03 19:15:26 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net viewtopic.php http://fza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=375 Virginia's and mine "A Long Time Ago..In A "Universe" Far Far Away... Elapsed time: 03:59 (after reading the above, "Kheinsa" makes the first "my views" post which began this thread) 4/29/03 19:19:25 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net viewforum.php Forum 5 - Member Exchange 4/29/03 19:19:36 0-1pool152-28.nas3.rochester1.ny.us.da.qwest.net login.php
In the earlier post by "Kheinsa", the following was said: "So I may look at this board but I will not post to it and I want Paul to delete Kheinsa as I will not be part of something that hurts people." 1. "Kheinsa" characterizes fza as "something that hurts people" 2. "Kheinsa" says "I will not be part of something that hurts people" 3. "Kheinsa" says "I may look at this board but I will not post to it" If fza is so "bad" and "hurtful", and "Kheinsa" doesn't want to be a part of fza, then why the need to watch what is going on here and to continue reading our posts? More outpoints. "Kheinsa" also posted: "So much for you saying you raise tone. So far mine has crashed so that means this is the wrong way. I am glad I know for sure now." Again, it is intentionally unclear who is being addressed by the above, but the black propaganda (false) ideas being forwarded are that "someone" here has "lied" about raising tone, that we drive people down tone, that "Kheinsa's" tone has "crashed" as a result of reading our posts.
A false insinuation that reading our posts drive people down tone, and that "Kheinsa's" tone has "crashed" as a result. A false insinuation that fza is "something that hurts people" A lie by "Kheinsa" that "I did not bother to read them", referring to posts by Paul, Virginia and myself. Vectors established for possible future moves include the following statements by "Kheinsa": "So much for you saying you raise tone. So far mine has crashed" "if someone comes to my door and I get hurt by your posting my address as anyone can read it now" "If I get problems by my life in danger as my address and phone number is posted then I know where to come and I now have proof of it" David Author: misiunas, Posted: Fri 02 May 2003 9:00 am Subject: Kheinsa, this is getting out of hand. I got your three emails and I see that you used the domain contact information as a way to leave a lengthy message on my wife's phone. That number is not a chat line. I will honor your statement ---> "end of a very bad game". Paul |
