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George Benavides Author: Virginia McClaughry, Posted: Wed 12 Mar 2003 8:53 am Subject: George Benavides In an effort to give George a chance to take responsibility for his actions, and to "come clean" so to speak, I sent him a note, contained in an email to my daughter, Charlene. George has spent quite a bit of time, effort, and money, in not only taking advantage of my daughter, but in successfully getting her to corrupt many of her former strengths, one of which was her love for me. Charlene herself, told me quite a bit about all this, as whenever she was away from George and was with me, she would of course, naturally begin to feel differently again towards me, without all the "distractions" that George and his wife Samantha provided. Although this post is coming in from the "end" so to speak, I think it's best to post this now, rather than later. Here is what was sent through my daughter on 2/13/03 at 6:05PM, to George: "I want you to tell George something for me. Tell him... "I really hope that you do not think, that you could do what you have, and are, and not be held accountable in any way for it. If you were to ask me, I would suggest, that you do some serious ~soul-searching~ as to your actions taken towards me, and my family, and why. I am willing to listen to any truly based in fact, knowledge, you wish to tell me. Should you decide to do this, my email is vmcc@icehouse.net. Please bear in mind that I will not hold any email from you as being private or confidential." 2/20/03 6:50PM Charlene lets me know that Rico has the mail: "P.S. I forwarded the message for Rico to his email." Almost three weeks later Rico responds: Return-Path: <Riicco@aol.com> Delivered-To: vmcc@icehouse.net Received: (qmail 50849 invoked by uid 10000); 12 Mar 2003 08:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) ([205.188.157.41]) (envelope-sender <Riicco@aol.com>) by mail.icehouse.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <vmcc@icehouse.net>; 12 Mar 2003 08:37:43 -0000 Received: from Riicco@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id 1.f9.2ac91cdd (4539) for <vmcc@icehouse.net>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:37:39 -0500 (EST) From: Riicco@aol.com Message-ID: <f9.2ac91cdd.2ba04bd3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:37:39 EST Subject: sorry for the delay To: vmcc@icehouse.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f9.2ac91cdd.2ba04bd3_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10637 ------------- And this is my response to him, which contains his original response as well. "George, I had said: "I really hope that you do not think, that you could do what you have, and are, and not be held accountable in any way for it. If you were to ask me, I would suggest, that you do some serious ~soul-searching~ as to your actions taken towards me, and my family, and why. I am willing to listen to any truly based in fact, knowledge, you wish to tell me. Should you decide to do this, my email is vmcc@icehouse.net. Please bear in mind that I will not hold any email from you as being private or confidential." The important thing you said in response was: About the statement below, honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about. Not only do you have the gall to attempt to blame your actions and their results on me, you also choose to lie about that you have "no idea" what I am talking about. On top of all that, in some sick, twisted form of "gloating", you add a P.S. showing by your wording choice, that you are reading my mails to my daughter. Which, I had perceived that, as well as that you were even writing some of her responses. That's just a bit much effort for an "average innocent" person to be going to, to try and keep control of my daughter. So, Let me make this very plain for you. You have made it VERY clear both by your actions, and by this email, that you choose to take no responsibility for your actions towards me personally, and my family. So be it. Sincerely, Virginia McClaughry P.S. Should you change your mind at a later time and choose to fully face what you have done, and take responsibility for those actions, you can reach me either by phone, email, or letter. 208-773-8240 16289 W. Summerfield Rd. Post Falls, Idaho 83854 ----- Original Message ----- From: Riicco@aol.com To: vmcc@icehouse.net Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:37 AM Subject: sorry for the delay Hello Virginia, I spoke to Charlene a couple of weeks ago, and she told me that you were upset about the picture that was sent to you. I want to start off by apologizing about that. I take full responsibility as it was my idea to send it. About the statement below, honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about. All I have done, has been at Charlene's request. If she is not with her family, it is not because I am coercing her to stay here in any way. It is because she chooses not to be there with you. I think you should be thanking me for helping your daughter, but instead you are accusing me of breaking your family apart. With all due repect, I think that you are blaming your misfortunes on me as I am an easy target. I believe that if you were to move to Seattle with your family, Charlene would come to live with you, so it doesn't have anything to do with me. If your daughter would ask me to drive her back to Idaho or buy her a plane ticket, I would do so in a blink of an eye. I am not the enemy. I'm willing to help in this situation if you'd like. Kind regards, George P.S. Can you please stop writing like a lawyer. 
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================= Notice where George says: "I spoke to Charlene a couple of weeks ago, and she told me that you were upset about the picture that was sent to you. I want to start off by apologizing about that. I take full responsibility as it was my idea to send it. " Charlene sent a picture of herself where she looks terrible, her hair is literally orange. I perceived (correctly as George verifies), that it was done to bullbait, hurt, or piss me off, and that it was not really Charlene's idea. Charlene tried to deny it, but in my still unanswered by her response, I called her on that, which I am sure that George did not like seeing that email either. So, now, in what is rather typical of some types of people (like the resident posting identities), George starts off by referring to me as "upset", which I was not. A recent similar example is "redfred"'s response to Paul over on ACT, where he infers that Paul was "offended" by "redfred's" excerpted statement. My actual response was first humor rejecting the incredible outpoint of that hair color, and then I felt that it was really quite pathetic, that George held so much against a person he has never met, spoken or written to, that he would go to that much trouble to try and destroy a mother-daughter relationship. I have proven time and time again to Charlene, many examples like the above, where I perceive something about George, her etc., and it is right. George then, in his above statement, tries to act like the "idea" of sending the orange hair picture is ALL he needs to take responsibility for, and he doesn't even truly take full responsibility for that, or his intention for doing it. This, while out of the other side of his mouth, he tries to say he is accepting full responsibility. Also note the P.S. of George's mentioned above. In at least two examples of Charlene's emails, after her arrival back with George, I picked up on that there were parts that were DEFINITELY not her, and for George to say "stop writing like a lawyer", after only one example of my writing theoretically, and with that winky face after it, tells me he has been controlling that comm line, one way or another. Which, as I said, I perceived that, and he has verified it indirectly. My daughter Charlene, whom I still, and will always love dearly despite everything, is of age, and certainly makes her own choices. Let that not be ignored, but the much larger picture is that George and his wife Samantha have worked VERY HARD for the result he seems to enjoy saying in several ways, above. I also make my own choices. As a parent, and as a free being, I strongly feel that it would do Charlene a dishonor, if I did not be true to my integrity, and have the courage to do what is right. The answer is always MORE communication, not less. Virginia P.S. Tom (posting on fza these days), is Charlene's brother, and my son. Author: Virginia McClaughry, Posted: Thu 20 Mar 2003 10:16 pm Subject: This is fascinating. Guess who does some dance instruction with Charlene, and then shortly after she becomes "hooked" on salsa dancing? Otfried. Rons Org Europe (junior C/S of Erica Hauri) and who was around her during the time when Charlene first became "hooked" on salsa dancing-dancing with "Horacio"? Julia. Also Rons org, and associated with Erica, Max, and Otfried. Julia, was the first to arrive for the Rons org visit, last to go, and present in Seattle with Charlene. In Reference to June 2001, written by Charlene: Excerpts: "....and Otfried even taught me some ballroom stuff. It was fun. I guess I have a thing for guys who can dance." "So then Me and Jan and Julia went to Seattle for a couple of days..." "..so me and Julia went to see a couple of bands at the Crocodile Cafe, and then met Travis at this club called the Back Door. We danced and had fun, and then we went to another club and danced some more." ".... I also went salsa dancing while I was there and it was soooo much fun! I danced with Horacio a lot that night. He was really fun for me to dance with because I was a beginner and he's good with beginners. I was hooked from then on." this part: "I guess I have a thing for guys who can dance." Sounds awfully "used" by someone, like in a profile maybe? 
Virginia Author: Virginia McClaughry, Posted: Sun 23 Mar 2003 8:11 am Subject: My comments following quotes from Charlene. 1-28-02 Charlene writes: (Time reference first being discussed is after the trip to Seattle with Julia and Jan, and after summer vacation was over) Approximately September-December 2001. "When I got back, I started going salsa dancing every Saturday at China Harbor." This is a significant "shift" by Charlene, already, since the trip to Seattle with Julia and Jan. "While all of this was going on, I was getting better and better at salsa dancing. I met Francisco at China Harbor, and he's the one that really introduced me into the salsa world. I met a lot of the top dancers in Seattle through him. Including Claudio, who I thought was the best. Francisco really liked me, but at that time, I was trying to take a break from guys, so I told him I just wanted to be friends. He said he was okay with this, but he actually wasn't, and one day he was even going to bring flowers and make dinner when I was sick, but I wasn't there. Since then we sort of grew apart from eachother, but we're not on bad terms by any means. Then last day I went to China Harbor with Francisco I wore my blue dress. That night I met Dennis, and also that night Claudio really noticed me. Dennis was do the Miss Washington Pageant, and needed another dancer, so I thought I might do that, and Claudio said he knew of someone who needed help with a performance and workshop in Vancouver. I was interested in both. This is where my salsa career got started. I went to rehearsal with Dennis, and he was extremely flirty." The chain of working towards the "intro" to Ricco apparently is: Francisco, to Dennis to Ricco. All three men, attempted to use sex in some way as an initial "control" factor. By Ricco, is meant Rico SENIOR, so I will delineate the difference by referring to Rico Sr. as George, from here on. "After I went to that rehearsal with Dennis, I met Ricco. I learned that his son had won the competition in Seattle, and won second place in LA, and was very well known. He was the best dancer in Seattle. I still agree with this. He told me that they were going to do a workshop in Vancouver and needed someone to help teach it, and then after that they would be doing competitions in LA, NY, Puerto Rico, and Japan. I was sold. I wanted to do it. So I auditioned for him that night, and he was very excited. He liked my turns, and my look, and the fact that I had a strong dance background. I started training for Vancouver, and then we went. It was so much fun teaching the workshop, but I was always really intimidated dancing with Ricco because most of the time I didn't know what the hell I was doing, and I kept forgetting what he had just told me. So after we left, I felt relieved that it was over with. After that we started training some more because I was going to be Ricco's partner. I would stay on the weekends, and Ricco was always trying to hook me up with little Ricco because he thought I was a good girl for him, but I think it was mostly because he wanted to get his mind off of his ex-girlfriend." Although George may be promoting his son as such, as I told Charlene, that isn't necessarily saying much, best in Seattle..as compared to the best where else? I have seen him dance, and IMO he is good, but not the calibre on par with more well known professional dancers. Interesting that the first thing George does, is try to get Charlene into a sexual relationship with his son. Charlene seems to have been less then thrilled with this idea, but apparently pressure was being applied to get her into this relationship with someone under George's control, his son. "I wasn't interested, but then one day me and Ricco were sitting on the couch, and he was talking about how he was a really good kisser, and I said that I was better. Anyways, we ended up making out. But it's weird because at first it was just innocent, but then I guess we got into it. Before that Ricco said he wanted pupulsa for Christmas. I wasn't going to give it to him of course, but somehow he talked me into it." Charlene is referring to Ricco JR. her partner in RUMBA BRAVA. Time period now referenced December 2001: "Then Ricco found out, or at least he hinted that he found out, and I denied it, but then I finally told him the truth. So he said that me and Ricco needed to make a commitment before we left. So I left as boyfriend and girlfriend." First he gets her to "trust" him with the truth, which I believe was purely as a control tactic. Then he wants her to "make a committment". Why? This was an odd move for a person who would later solicit Charlene to engage in adultery. Why the need to push for the relationship "committment" BEFORE she came home here for Christmas, for a relationship she is obviously not that interested in? I believe this was done because George already knew who I was, and all about me, and rightly knew I was a threat to what he was in the beginning stages of doing. So, I would say, that this was done to try and "keep a connection" that might hold while she is home, plus provide a "reason" to stay in communication while she is here. "I went to Idaho for a month for Christmas, and nothing really exciting happened, but Mom wasn't happy when I told her I was seeing Ricco." This is true, I instantly KNEW there was something VERY wrong with this guy George. And what is left out here, is that he sent her an email while she was here which was rather odd, about how if she wants to not dance with them anymore, he would understand. Odd because she said she hadn't said anything to him about that, so...HOW did he know that she had decided that? Big outpoint-indicating information he shouldn't have access too, as a strong possibility. There were other odd things that occurred with him while she was here, not the least of which is that when I caught that outpoint of his odd email, the next thing is that he ABRUPTLY changed tactics mid-stream, and told Charlene, in email, that she should listen to her mother, and that family was the most important thing,and family is first. I remember this very clearly, because of what he did as SOON as she was back in Seattle. Which would have been January 18, 2002, so somewhere between January 18, 2002, and when she writes of it, which is 1-29-02. Charlene told me about that he said things to her when she got back, loosely paraphrased like: "if you listen to your mother, you will fail at everything in your life", he asked her all kinds of searching questions as to her relationship with Michael, he gives her a "scenario" of if Mike and your father were drowning in a pool, which one would you save? Charlene said she answered Mike, and George apparently told her that was wrong, that "blood is thicker than water", and several times during the conversation offered to pay for a ticket to fly her to find her Dad, he said that if she had his social security number, he could find him anywhere for her (odd thing to say), and was pushing her quite a bit on this. He also never seemed to ask questions as to disconnection (which her father "had" to do-due to still being in the Church), or any of the normal questions that a person NOT previously quite familiar with Scientology, it's terms, etc., would ask. There is more, which I will write later, but apparently he did quite a few things to try and "bring me down to size" in that, and other conversations prior to the next time I spoke with her. Pretty odd obsession so early on with attacking and denigrating me, from someone who supposedly doesn't know much about me. Compare what George said about me, the family etc.,from while she was here, (meant to throw Charlene off the trail I'm sure), to what he said to her when she got back. "All of the sudden I had to break up with Ricco, and not be his partner anymore." Bear in mind, that Charlene is writing this at least 2 weeks later, after where she saw for herself, the outpoints with George in his contrary facts in emails,etc. And then she made the decision after seeing this, to break it off with the son, and the sideline of salsa, which was starting to pull her off her previous goals. You can see the influence of George on Charlene, in the above somewhat critical view, and the following statements as well. Time period now referenced 1/27/02: "It's just gotten too out of hand, and from now on I'm going to make my own decisions about who is an agent, and also not give her so much information. But I kept emailing big Ricco, and we got really close, and we decided that I was going to help him with the video and the private lessons, which I was quite happy about." This pretty obviously means that George maneuvered Charlene to not tell me that they were still emailing AFTER she broke it off. So..yet another example of George manipulating Charlene into building up withholds on her line to me. Which is certainly a way to weaken, and even eventually break a line, as I'm sure George knew. You can tell that George has obviously affected Charlene with his view stated roughly as..that if she listens to her mom..she will fail at everything in her life. That's a pretty strong statement, and I would be willing to bet, that he employed psychological warfare tactics on her. Because above you now see her "viewing" the idea of listening to me is somehow bad, and that she needed to make her OWN decisions about who is an agent. How convenient for George, and destructive to me, and Charlene. IE: George's REAL view was probably that he didn't want Charlene to listen to me, because he knew that I was onto him already, and he didn't want Charlene to know the TRUTH about him, as obviously that would put a big dent in his plans. The very person she should be forming the opinion towards that he could definitely be an agent, by his odd obsession with trying to control her to break with me in many ways, tells her she should "form her own opinion", and not listen to me. "I talked to my mom, and she said that Ricco was an agent after a long conversation, and after I had talked to Ricco and telling him that I was a Scientologist and that my dad left because of that, and he said that I needed to find him." As I said, she told me quite a bit more than that, I remember quite clearly as it was so significantly outpointy what he was saying, WAY..beyond the ordinary pecccadilloes and shortcomings of the average person. "She totally took it the wrong way. She has this incredible fear of me and Dom talking to him or trying to get in contact with him. She just goes crazy and that really needs to be handled. I'll have to bring that up to her sometime. So I was going to disconnect, and then I realized that it was bullshit, and I'm still dancing with Ricco, and I'm also still talking to Jon. Since I've been back, I've decided that I'm going to not be so promiscuous, and not drink anymore, and be really focused. I know now that I was being promiscuous, even though I tried so hard to convince myself that I wasn't. Now I'm up to present time." Ok, first of all, I did not take it the "wrong way", this is her viewpoint AFTER spending four hours talking to George, which was AFTER our conversation. It is quite clear his influence on her. I do not have a "fear" of my son or her talking to their father etc. I do not "go crazy" over the idea of her or Tom talking to their father. In this situation, I simply pointed out that any re-establishment of a relationship, would most likely be viewed by some in the Church, as an opportunity to try and get my children to "disconnect" from me. Which is exactly where George is trying to head Charlene anyway, "breaking" from me, and that was just one other way he thought of probably, to accomplish that. I correctly called Charlene's attention to the outpoint of GEORGE'S over interest in flying around the country, expending sleuthing efforts, etc., to "reunite" her and her father. This was continued even after Charlene told him herself, that she felt that would be a betrayal to her mom, and wrong for her too, since her father had betrayed both her mom's friendship, and his children to stay in good standing in the Church. Interesting how the viewpoint about me, and that conversation we had, shifts so dramatically after talking to George. See below.. "Today I talked to Ricco for four hours, clearing up things that needed to be regarding me and joining Rumba Brava. We also argued a lot, but we argue a lot in general, so that was nothing new. Then I just did my laundry and sat my butt all day, and then hung out with Joy." So, four hours talking to George, AFTER our conversation, and then you see the results of THAT conversation with George, here in these writings.(not to mention earlier conversations affecting things as well) "... That's why I like to go salsa dancing. I get lots of compliments, and people watch me a lot, and want to look and dance like me. I'd never tell that to Ricco though. He's all into me having passion for it. I do have passion for it, but I think the main reason I do it is for the attention." -Ahh, there we go, I believe that the above is certainly a "button" that is being used to "hold" Charlene. I strongly perceive, that George knew this, perhaps even had access to Charlene's written communications in some way, as he very definitely used this to his advantage, and to Charlene and I's relationship's disadvantage. -Enter more examples showing the behind the scenes "push" to "split" from Mom.. "Things are looking up now that I've decided to make my own decisions. I'm tired of being at the mercy of my mom." "Sure she has good opinions, and I'll always listen to her opinions, but I know that she still has a lot to learn about life too, and that she doesn't know everything. I think it's pretty safe to say that you should totally trust everything that a person say with no questions asked because it make you much weaker, and it makes you much blinder. Now I see more clearly for myself, and if it turns out that it was the wrong choice, then at least I found out for myself. It's the same with that being promiscuous stuff. Sure it probably wasn't a good choice, but I don't regret it because I learned a lot from that experience." Ok, this again, is strongly probable to be more George talking, than Charlene, especially considering what he has been saying about me behind my back already at this point. It is to me, a well known tactic used pretty frequently by other actual agent type people, to offer some "data" to someone in such a way, and using their buttons, so that they come to the conclusion that it was "their" idea in the first place. For example.."of course your Mom is right about a lot of things, her OPINIONS (my emphasis) are important and you should always respect your parents, and listen to their opinions, but, you really need to learn to think for yourself Charlene"....I'll bet that's pretty close to how he did it, more or less. The problem of course, is HIS INTENTION, and where he INTENDS to take this. I believe that George does these things, because he was working non-stop in any way he could to break my daughter apart from me, and he knew he could not "play" me... (which was interesting-how did he know that?), but with the right use of Charlene's weak points and her love hate and protect buttons, he figured he could "play" her. Also that part about promiscuity, and how she learned a lot from it. That is more psycho-babble. In other words, she probably was starting to feel some remorse for her actions (actions probably also pushed on her by others no doubt), and then George "helpfully" offered something to her like what she said above, as supposedly being an "adult view" of the situation, to get her off actually CONFRONTING what she had done. It is probably entirely accurate that George did exactly this. Unfortunately, that would certainly make it quite clear that George is a cold, manipulative, evil intended person who is hiding behind a mask, and who cares nothing of what and whom, he destroys. 01-29-02 Charlene writes: "But if the relationship is strong then the silent moments are no big deal. Like with my mom, I don't feel I need to be talking to her all the time to be comfortable. We're fine just sitting there, but at the same time we always find new things to talk about." You can see that Charlene still has strong feelings, correctly so, for me, and they come through quite clearly. I think she is not feeling too good about what she has now "decided" (after influence from George), and sure enough, even others were commenting on how she looked for the last week, whereas she looked fine here, was uptone after her decision, doing well, sleeping well, etc. "Actually I guess today was more eventful than I made it out to be. Monica brought something interesting to me attention. Actually I already knew about it, but I didn't know that other people noticed it too. Beth also noticed it. They said that I've been looking really out of it for the past week. Like I'm always spacing off. I don't know why, but I think it might be that I'm sick, but I have also had a lot of things on my mind." She is not doing too well with her new "change", and she was not sick physically, she was just feeling the effects of the destruction she was beginning to agree with. It actually shows she was still aware enough to still "feel" it. "..Now I'm thinking to much about what I'm going to do and where my life is going. I just shouldn't worry about it. My life is going to go where it will. I just need to make the most of every moment and have fun doing it, instead of worrying about what comes next and what the future holds." Notice the flip from, starting to confront what might be going on that she isn't feeling so great and is very out of it, into basically a no-responsibility practically psychology based viewpoint. Probably learned in Seattle, if not from George directly. "I thought about what Ricco told me to think about. For a while, I was just going to stay stubborn and not let him sleep on my bed just because I could. I have a thing about having control over men. I feel like I need to get back at them for something, but I have no idea what. I'm quite certain that it's something back on my track though. I'll get it handled in auditing, but for now I'm having fun with it. I like to argue with Ricco. It makes me feel powerful. But anyways, I think I'm going to let him sleep on my bed. Not that he's going to, but he just wants me to say that he can. I thought about it, and I figure that he goes out of his way a lot for me. Much more than I for him, and he also offered me his bed, so I might as well do him that small favor. I'll tell him tomorrow after work I think." Now George (rico Sr.), is beginning to make HIS move to gain additional control through sex, over Charlene, I would say done to try and further "break her away", from me. This again, is the MARRIED FATHER, who first pushes Charlene to get together with his son, then when she breaks up with him (as I helped her to see-since she didn't really like him amongst other things), now HE starts soliciting her? I like the interesting gradient that he used to "ease" her into where he wanted her to go...ie: that he isn't really going to sleep on her bed, he just wants her to "say" he can. More psychological warfare tactics. That one is classic, get the person to agree with "something", move off their point of power just a little, for something "innocent", throw in a little guilt, "he offered me his bed" and "he goes out of his way a lot for me"..poor George routine, then voila! You can then move the person a little further, a little further, try it for a month and see if you like it...into a full adulterous relationship. By the time George is done with her, (certainly with Charlene's allowance-make no mistake about that), months later, finds Charlene saying that this wierd sex triangle is a "real family", and we are not. That's how far you can move somebody off their previous happier, saner viewpoint, with just that first little "step" successfully maneuvered into being taken....There's even a well known term for people who operate this way..CON MAN. That's the polite word for it, of course. Virginia |
