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Haiqu/Rob Judd Thread "Dear Virginia..." (1) Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 18:49 ----- Original Message ----- From: haiqu <haiqu@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: Dear Virginia ... > > Dear Virginia, > > I have considered your outrage at the changes in Scientology materials with > some care, and have come to the conclusion that most of them are insubstantial. > > The US Copyright Office defines things thus: > > "How much do I have to change in my own work to make a new claim of copyright? > > You may make a new claim in your work if the changes are substantial and > creative -- something more than just editorial changes or minor changes. This > would qualify as a new derivative work. For instance, simply making spelling > corrections throughout a work does not warrant a new registration -- adding an > additional chapter would." > > As you can see, if the changes are merely editorial or minor (i.e. > insubstantial) then no copyright claim on the derived product is valid. > > I hope you see my point. > > Haiqu > mailto:haiqu@hotmail.com > > "The work was free, keep it so." > Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 18:50 (2) Phil Scott Replies.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Scott <philscott88@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: Re: Dear Virginia ... On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:46:13 +1100, haiqu <haiqu@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Dear Virginia, > >I have considered your outrage at the changes in Scientology materials with >some care, and have come to the conclusion that most of them are insubstantial. > >The US Copyright Office defines things thus: > >"How much do I have to change in my own work to make a new claim of copyright? > >You may make a new claim in your work if the changes are substantial and >creative -- something more than just editorial changes or minor changes. This >would qualify as a new derivative work. For instance, simply making spelling >corrections throughout a work does not warrant a new registration -- adding an >additional chapter would." > >As you can see, if the changes are merely editorial or minor (i.e. >insubstantial) then no copyright claim on the derived product is valid. > >I hope you see my point. > >Haiqu >mailto:haiqu@hotmail.com > >"The work was free, keep it so." Hello Moron, the changes that Safe and Virginia have fully documented are quite throughly substaintial... key words and phrases have been changed or deleted that change entirely the meaning of the work.... see her web site for the specific line item quotes. Phil Scott > Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 18:51 (3) ----- Original Message ----- From: Virginia <vmcc@icehouse.net> Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Dear Virginia ... Well said Phil. Haiqu, Rob Judd, is currently on ROEU lines, CS Alan Wright. Both of which who have attacked certain points on Mike's website. Such as the Global enslavers, etc. I Believe Alan used the term "GO entheta bullshit" or something close, to describe that section in an email to Mike. This is strange indeed for a professed RONS org terminal, supposedly trained and in agreement with CBR writeups, to say something like that. It's just about like calling CBR's writeups I essentially told Rob to take a hike comm-wise, as he is obviously an operative, so looks to me like he's just "trolling" here. Hey that reminds me..guess what DM approved to be sent out to Clears and above, and somehow I was sent the same pack of? (with the usual get on your bridge blah blah cover sheet) Hard copies, of several issues! One of which, is C/S Series 73RB. I think the lines are hurting at Flag, so in usual Marcabian brazen PR move style, it is thought that if they send out the issue that is getting rather well known, that people will get "confused" with that..if there is something REALLY wrong with it, WHY would they send it out? Not bad, but it's also insulting to those that receive it. Why? Because DM and co is just about saying we think you are so stupid and mindless that you won't catch the outpoints, either in the issue itself, or in our sending it out, so we have nothing to worry about calling it to your intention. Feel insulted scientologists, that's not very complimentary from DM to you. But...why didn't DM send out RA? The one with seven pages chopped out of it which then turns into "RB". Hey now, THAT"S not minor editorial changes, now is it? 
Virginia based on what I believe it's Sector Ops Bulletin 19(Alan), and a current pc of (Rob Judd) One has to wonder why such an obviously church operative is Phil Scott <philscott88@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c327cb3.1740203@news.tdl.com... > On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:46:13 +1100, haiqu <haiqu@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > >Dear Virginia, > > > >I have considered your outrage at the changes in Scientology materials with > >some care, and have come to the conclusion that most of them are insubstantial. > > > >The US Copyright Office defines things thus: > > > >"How much do I have to change in my own work to make a new claim of copyright? > > > >You may make a new claim in your work if the changes are substantial and > >creative -- something more than just editorial changes or minor changes. This > >would qualify as a new derivative work. For instance, simply making spelling > >corrections throughout a work does not warrant a new registration -- adding an > >additional chapter would." > > > >As you can see, if the changes are merely editorial or minor (i.e. > >insubstantial) then no copyright claim on the derived product is valid. > > > >I hope you see my point. > > > >Haiqu > >mailto:haiqu@hotmail.com > > > >"The work was free, keep it so." > > Hello Moron, the changes that Safe and Virginia have fully documented are quite > throughly substaintial... key words and phrases have been changed or deleted > that change entirely the meaning of the work.... see her web site for the > specific line item quotes. > > Phil Scott > > > Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 18:52 (4) ----- Original Message ----- From: Virginia <vmcc@icehouse.net> Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Dear Virginia ... Correction: part of my post didn't make it.. This: > This is strange indeed for a professed RONS org terminal, supposedly trained > and in agreement with CBR writeups, to say something like that. It's just > about like calling CBR's writeups Should say: This is strange indeed for a professed RONS org terminal, supposedly trained and in agreement with CBR writeups, to say something like that. It's just about like calling some of the Sector Ops bulletins, "GO entheta bullshit", as well. Virginia Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 18:53 (5) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Hilton <aon.912202928@aon.at> Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Dear Viaggie "Virginia" <vmcc@icehouse.net> wrote on Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:58:57 GMT in msg <Bu4Z7.5576$He.90942@sea-read.news.verio.net>, : >Well said Phil. > >Haiqu, Rob Judd, is currently on ROEU lines, CS Alan Wright. > >Both of which who have attacked certain points on Mike's website. Such as >the Global enslavers, etc. Whom not which. Learn English silly bitch. >I Believe Alan used the term "GO entheta bullshit" or something close, to >describe that section in an email to Mike. > >This is strange indeed for a professed RONS org terminal, supposedly trained >and in agreement with CBR writeups, to say something like that. It's just >about like calling CBR's writeups > >I essentially told Rob to take a hike comm-wise, as he is obviously an >operative, so looks to me like he's just "trolling" here. > >Hey that reminds me..guess what DM approved to be sent out to Clears and >above, and somehow I was sent the same pack of? (with the usual get on your >bridge blah blah cover sheet) Wow! Virginia goes into ARC with Phil! About the only terminal she has left. V. is obviously avidly reading my posts as she doesn't have the intelligence to connect Haiku and Rob Judd for herself. If she wishes to pretend that she made that connection herself then she'll have to describe exactly how she did it. Perthaps it would be easiest if V. posted a list each week of people she thinks are not Markabian operatives. Just because I agree with V. that Haiku is a nutter does not mean that I agree with her about anything else. -- Ralph Hilton http://www.fzint.org/rhilton Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org FZAOINT http://www.fzaoint.org C-Meter: http://www.inquisitive-instruments.co.uk/ Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 18:54 (6) ----- Original Message ----- From: Virginia <vmcc@icehouse.net> Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 3:03 AM Subject: Re: Dear Viaggie Ralphie seems to be having a little trouble focusing.. Viaggie? What the heck is that? A vagina with viagra? LOL Sheesh. Let's have a look at Ralphie boy's post. > "Virginia" <vmcc@icehouse.net> wrote on Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:58:57 GMT in msg > <Bu4Z7.5576$He.90942@sea-read.news.verio.net>, : > > >Well said Phil. > > > >Haiqu, Rob Judd, is currently on ROEU lines, CS Alan Wright. > > > >Both of which who have attacked certain points on Mike's website. Such as > >the Global enslavers, etc. > Ralph frothed: > Whom not which. Learn English silly bitch. Enuf said. > >I Believe Alan used the term "GO entheta bullshit" or something close, to > >describe that section in an email to Mike. > > > >This is strange indeed for a professed RONS org terminal, supposedly trained > >and in agreement with CBR writeups, to say something like that. It's just > >about like calling CBR's writeups > > > >I essentially told Rob to take a hike comm-wise, as he is obviously an > >operative, so looks to me like he's just "trolling" here. > > > >Hey that reminds me..guess what DM approved to be sent out to Clears and > >above, and somehow I was sent the same pack of? (with the usual get on your > >bridge blah blah cover sheet) > > Wow! Virginia goes into ARC with Phil! > > About the only terminal she has left. *Hey, is that like when Tommy said much the same thing simply because I answered something Phil wrote? Is Ralphie jealous or something that I replied to something Phil said? Gosh. > > V. is obviously avidly reading my posts as she doesn't have the intelligence > to connect Haiku and Rob Judd for herself. *err Ralphie seems to not be reading my response too well. I believe the word EMAIL was used. Duh. Just so Ralphie can see it though.. ROB JUDD AND ALAN WRIGHT EMAILED MIKE WEEKS BEFORE RALPH SAID ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT ROB JUDD. (or should I say they TROLLED weeks before...smile) > > If she wishes to pretend that she made that connection herself then she'll > have to describe exactly how she did it. *See above, Ralphie is really messing up here. Does he drink or something? > Perthaps it would be easiest if V. posted a list each week of people she > thinks are not Markabian operatives. *Ralphie could do it, that would be even more fun, I think! Ralphie's list of operatives that are not Markabian.... I like it! > Just because I agree with V. that Haiku is a nutter does not mean that I > agree with her about anything else. *I should thank ralphie for his correction of my english above, that tells me a lot based on certain supposedly disrelated private emails I have been sent in recent times. So THANKS RALPHIE! Please do say some more, this is great stuff. Virginia Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 18:55 (7) Ralph losing it.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Hilton <aon.912202928@aon.at> Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Dear Virginia ... "Virginia" <vmcc@icehouse.net> wrote on Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:58:57 GMT in msg <Bu4Z7.5576$He.90942@sea-read.news.verio.net>, : >One of which, is C/S Series 73RB. > >I think the lines are hurting at Flag, so in usual Marcabian brazen PR move >style, it is thought that if they send out the issue that is getting rather >well known, that people will get "confused" with that..if there is something >REALLY wrong with it, WHY would they send it out? > >Not bad, but it's also insulting to those that receive it. Why? > >Because DM and co is just about saying we think you are so stupid and >mindless that you won't catch the outpoints, either in the issue itself, or >in our sending it out, so we have nothing to worry about calling it to your >intention. Feel insulted scientologists, that's not very complimentary from >DM to you. > >But...why didn't DM send out RA? The one with seven pages chopped out of it >which then turns into "RB". > >Hey now, THAT"S not minor editorial changes, now is it? V. You are dramatizing missed withholds. Go read Occam's Razor. Stupid bitch. -- Ralph Hilton http://www.fzint.org/rhilton Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org FZAOINT http://www.fzaoint.org C-Meter: http://www.inquisitive-instruments.co.uk/ Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 18:57 (8) Ralph looking like he's defending DM and co, me calling him on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Virginia <vmcc@icehouse.net> Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Dear Virginia ... Oh good, he DID say some more! Ralph Hilton <aon.912202928@aon.at> wrote in message news:bq8a3u49jugaf4onhviga4u4tna2sskv4j@4ax.com... > "Virginia" <vmcc@icehouse.net> wrote on Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:58:57 GMT in msg > <Bu4Z7.5576$He.90942@sea-read.news.verio.net>, : > > >One of which, is C/S Series 73RB. > > > >I think the lines are hurting at Flag, so in usual Marcabian brazen PR move > >style, it is thought that if they send out the issue that is getting rather > >well known, that people will get "confused" with that..if there is something > >REALLY wrong with it, WHY would they send it out? > > > >Not bad, but it's also insulting to those that receive it. Why? > > > >Because DM and co is just about saying we think you are so stupid and > >mindless that you won't catch the outpoints, either in the issue itself, or > >in our sending it out, so we have nothing to worry about calling it to your > >intention. Feel insulted scientologists, that's not very complimentary from > >DM to you. > > > >But...why didn't DM send out RA? The one with seven pages chopped out of it > >which then turns into "RB". > > > >Hey now, THAT"S not minor editorial changes, now is it? Ralphie said: > > V. You are dramatizing missed withholds. > > Go read Occam's Razor. > > Stupid bitch. I say: Wow, per Ralphie I am dramatising missed withholds in posting about DM'S latest brazen PR ploy? That's almost funny! Why in the heck would Ralphie be MAD about my posting about something DM and co did? Almost like he's defending them or something. Virginia Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 18:59 (9) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Hilton <aon.912202928@aon.at> To: Virginia <vmcc@icehouse.net> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Dear Viaggie Ralph getting discombobulated and sending his response private email to me by mistake.. You wrote on Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:03:29 GMT msg <5_fZ7.5627$He.92417@sea-read.news.verio.net>, in alt.clearing.technology : >Ralphie seems to be having a little trouble focusing.. > >Viaggie? What the heck is that? A vagina with viagra? LOL Yeah! A Veggie Vag is unappealling so you need a built in supply of Viagra. >Sheesh. > > >Let's have a look at Ralphie boy's post. Surely you realize that if you mess around with others' names in childish attempts to annoy then they will be tempted to expose your idiocy. >Just so Ralphie can see it though.. > >ROB JUDD AND ALAN WRIGHT EMAILED MIKE WEEKS BEFORE RALPH SAID ANYTHING AT >ALL ABOUT ROB JUDD. > >(or should I say they TROLLED weeks before...smile) Thank you for telling me that. >> Perthaps it would be easiest if V. posted a list each week of people she >> thinks are not Markabian operatives. > >*Ralphie could do it, that would be even more fun, I think! > >Ralphie's list of operatives that are not Markabian.... I don't think anyone here has current connections to Marcab nor Markab. We are on planet Earth. Where the F are you? I think you are off your fuckin' rocker. -- Ralph Hilton http://www.fzint.org/rhilton Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org FZAOINT http://www.fzaoint.org C-Meter: http://www.inquisitive-instruments.co.uk/ Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 19:00 (10) me putting Ralphie's post back where it belonged. ----- Original Message ----- From: Virginia <vmcc@icehouse.net> Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Dear Virginia ... I believe Ralphie meant this to go here, instead of to my private mail account, so I am posting it in the correct place. He must have hit the wrong button.
Virginia P.S. He is really into this "names" thing, wonder what that's about? I think it's just possible it could be about all those nyms that I am finding out (and starting to post on FZA about), that are all related into each other by IP addresses, some of which tie into Ralph here and there? 
You wrote on Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:03:29 GMT msg <5_fZ7.5627$He.92417@sea-read.news.verio.net>, in alt.clearing.technology : >Ralphie seems to be having a little trouble focusing.. > >Viaggie? What the heck is that? A vagina with viagra? LOL Yeah! A Veggie Vag is unappealling so you need a built in supply of Viagra. >Sheesh. > > >Let's have a look at Ralphie boy's post. Surely you realize that if you mess around with others' names in childish attempts to annoy then they will be tempted to expose your idiocy. >Just so Ralphie can see it though.. > >ROB JUDD AND ALAN WRIGHT EMAILED MIKE WEEKS BEFORE RALPH SAID ANYTHING AT >ALL ABOUT ROB JUDD. > >(or should I say they TROLLED weeks before...smile) Thank you for telling me that. >> Perthaps it would be easiest if V. posted a list each week of people she >> thinks are not Markabian operatives. > >*Ralphie could do it, that would be even more fun, I think! > >Ralphie's list of operatives that are not Markabian.... I don't think anyone here has current connections to Marcab nor Markab. We are on planet Earth. Where the F are you? I think you are off your fuckin' rocker. -- Ralph Hilton http://www.fzint.org/rhilton Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org FZAOINT http://www.fzaoint.org C-Meter: http://www.inquisitive-instruments.co.uk/ Virginia <vmcc@icehouse.net> wrote in message news:D3gZ7.5628$He.92435@sea-read.news.verio.net... > Oh good, he DID say some more! > > > Ralph Hilton <aon.912202928@aon.at> wrote in message > news:bq8a3u49jugaf4onhviga4u4tna2sskv4j@4ax.com... > > "Virginia" <vmcc@icehouse.net> wrote on Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:58:57 GMT in > msg > > <Bu4Z7.5576$He.90942@sea-read.news.verio.net>, : > > > > >One of which, is C/S Series 73RB. > > > > > >I think the lines are hurting at Flag, so in usual Marcabian brazen PR > move > > >style, it is thought that if they send out the issue that is getting > rather > > >well known, that people will get "confused" with that..if there is > something > > >REALLY wrong with it, WHY would they send it out? > > > > > >Not bad, but it's also insulting to those that receive it. Why? > > > > > >Because DM and co is just about saying we think you are so stupid and > > >mindless that you won't catch the outpoints, either in the issue itself, > or > > >in our sending it out, so we have nothing to worry about calling it to > your > > >intention. Feel insulted scientologists, that's not very complimentary > from > > >DM to you. > > > > > >But...why didn't DM send out RA? The one with seven pages chopped out of > it > > >which then turns into "RB". > > > > > >Hey now, THAT"S not minor editorial changes, now is it? > > > Ralphie said: > > > > V. You are dramatizing missed withholds. > > > > Go read Occam's Razor. > > > > Stupid bitch. > > I say: > > Wow, per Ralphie I am dramatising missed withholds in posting about DM'S > latest brazen PR ploy? > > That's almost funny! Why in the heck would Ralphie be MAD about my posting > about something DM and co did? > > Almost like he's defending them or something. > > > Virginia > > > Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 19:01 (11) Ralphie definitely supporting DM now, publically no less. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Hilton <aon.912202928@aon.at> Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Dear Virginia ... "Virginia" <vmcc@icehouse.net> wrote on Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:09:23 GMT in msg <D3gZ7.5628$He.92435@sea-read.news.verio.net>, : >> >But...why didn't DM send out RA? The one with seven pages chopped out of >it >> >which then turns into "RB". >> > >> >Hey now, THAT"S not minor editorial changes, now is it? > > >Ralphie said: >> >> V. You are dramatizing missed withholds. >> >> Go read Occam's Razor. >> >> Stupid bitch. > >I say: > >Wow, per Ralphie I am dramatising missed withholds in posting about DM'S >latest brazen PR ploy? > >That's almost funny! Why in the heck would Ralphie be MAD about my posting >about something DM and co did? > >Almost like he's defending them or something. David is doing what LRH told them to do. Preserving the CofS against changes and legal attacks. It is my opinion that DM is doing what he thinks is right for Scientology. He has done many good things like getting lots of tapes available. I will not cast DM as totally bad or totally good. I have the impression that he is honestly doing what he thinks is right. The CofS has not been taken over by Markabians nor by the IRS. The Marcabians have no logical reason to travel hundreds of light years to take over a silly little planet at the edge of the galaxy mainly occupied by nutters. Given a choice I'd rather work with DM than with you. -- Ralph Hilton http://www.fzint.org/rhilton Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org FZAOINT http://www.fzaoint.org C-Meter: http://www.inquisitive-instruments.co.uk/ Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-05 19:09 (12) Ralph trying to do a better PR answer to my original reply to Haiqu's thread, because his first one was so BAD! (lol) Not only that, Ralph can't quite maintain the different image he wants to present here, and loses it at the end and makes his biggest mistake yet! He messes up and outs DM correctly,as the source of the six month sec check line-the one that is in direct violation of LRH! (all done because he was so busy trying to "get Virginia".) Also he lines himself up when discussing my supposed need for sec checks in this post, lines himself directly with the nym "case supervisor" I believe, over on FZINT who said "Virginia is long overdue for her six month sec check". I just have to say it...THANKS RALPHIE! Ralphie, and DM, in co-motion. We had pretty strong pointers on that, but the confirmation is GREAT! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Hilton <aon.912202928@aon.at> Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Dear Virginia ... "Virginia" <vmcc@icehouse.net> wrote on Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:58:57 GMT in msg <Bu4Z7.5576$He.90942@sea-read.news.verio.net>, : >Well said Phil. > >Haiqu, Rob Judd, is currently on ROEU lines, CS Alan Wright. No. Its Allen Wright. >Both of which who have attacked certain points on Mike's website. Such as >the Global enslavers, etc. Well it is a bit idiotic. >I Believe Alan used the term "GO entheta bullshit" or something close, to >describe that section in an email to Mike. Seems apt. >This is strange indeed for a professed RONS org terminal, supposedly trained >and in agreement with CBR writeups, to say something like that. It's just >about like calling CBR's writeups I don't recall Allen saying he was a RONS org terminal. >I essentially told Rob to take a hike comm-wise, as he is obviously an >operative, so looks to me like he's just "trolling" here. Yes. >Hey that reminds me..guess what DM approved to be sent out to Clears and >above, and somehow I was sent the same pack of? (with the usual get on your >bridge blah blah cover sheet) > >Hard copies, of several issues! > >One of which, is C/S Series 73RB. > >I think the lines are hurting at Flag, so in usual Marcabian brazen PR move >style, it is thought that if they send out the issue that is getting rather >well known, that people will get "confused" with that..if there is something >REALLY wrong with it, WHY would they send it out? > >Not bad, but it's also insulting to those that receive it. Why? > >Because DM and co is just about saying we think you are so stupid and >mindless that you won't catch the outpoints, either in the issue itself, or >in our sending it out, so we have nothing to worry about calling it to your >intention. Feel insulted scientologists, that's not very complimentary from >DM to you. > >But...why didn't DM send out RA? The one with seven pages chopped out of it >which then turns into "RB". DM seems to have more sense that you. He realized that there were too many fucking idiots on the lines so he put in sec checks. Obviously you didn't get yours often enough. -- Ralph Hilton http://www.fzint.org/rhilton Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org FZAOINT http://www.fzaoint.org C-Meter: http://www.inquisitive-instruments.co.uk/ Author: misiunas Posted: 2002-01-07 20:59 ... I'm still shaking my head. 
Has Ralph mentioned the FZData collection on the newsgroups yet? He's bashed everything else around here so far and I would expect that he wouldn't let me down.
Thanks for these, Virginia. |
