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Author:  virginia
Posted:  2002-01-13 04:12

Fred,

You signed the freezone guest book with your real name.

Your name is public information as to who owns www.utopiansites.com.

You then attempt to communicate that I have somehow compromised your confidentiality of your name,(which wasn't confidential at all), and then you put it on Paul's lines when you figure out I am not going for that accusation.

I would suggest you take your own advice, and not send entheta communications (lies) whether publically, or not.

Stick to the truth,which is theta.

If you can do that, that would be great!

If not? Your foray here, from Clambake, will be a short one.

I hope you choose theta, and truth.



Virginia




Author:  Ron Is Great
Posted:  2002-01-13 13:01

Virginia,

I will come back to this Forum when you differentiate between telling the truth and being a blabbermouth.

Not revealing everything and a lie are two different things. Also, the truth, if it is another person's lie, is also a lie.

I don't like the inuendo that my communication contained lies. I also don't like threats and blame.

Don't think that I'm 1.1 just because http://www.utopianstates.com contained links to gay sites. My links section is all computerized and automatic. It does a search on the name Utopia.

I came here for theta and I can't get it until you stop posting. So goodbye for now. I'll be posting in my two forums.

Ron Is Great


[ This Message was edited by: Ron Is Great on 2002-01-13 13:07 ]

     


Author:  virginia
Posted:  2002-01-13 17:35

Err umm, well, I guess he didn't choose theta and truth.

Virginia

FZA Archive » Free Zone America Forum 2002 » Uncreating Confusion

Virginia and FZA


Author:  misiunas
Posted:  2001-11-26 11:15

Kevin Brady, on ACT, stated that I show a 'complicity with Virginia' in an attempt at destroying the 'free flowing' communication of this forum. These types of false rumors are just plain stupid.

If I were to demonstrate an interest to 'destroy the free flow of communication at fza.org', as Kevin puts it, I would simply remove the forum from the site. It would be a done deal.

Virginia doesn't own this site and neither does anyone else. If someone has a problem communicating with Virginia, then that is their problem, not mine. If someone calls this 'complicity', then my response is 'hidden agenda'. For someone to try to position me as being under the control or influence of another shows me what they are trying to do. I am not a controlled piece, but thanks for trying.


Author:  virginia
Posted:  2001-11-26 18:20

Paul the PLAYER,

You are NOT a controlled piece?

Damn, I am always the last to know...

But, *somebody* sure wants you and I to "please god let them believe" WE ARE ONLY PIECES.

Wonder why they want us to believe that so badly.



Virginia, the other other Player


Author:  John
Posted:  2001-11-26 18:57

I'm playing a game right now, it's called staying sane while reading virginia's posts. Hey Paul, I have no problem with you. If Kevin doesn't like what you've done, then oh well. I think you've done an excellent job, and you certainly got rid of all those trouble makers


Author:  misiunas
Posted:  2001-11-26 22:29

Virginia said:
>>Wonder why they want us to believe that so badly.

Beats me, I haven't a clue.

I'm actually a very easy going kind of guy. There isn't much that really fazes me. Even with all the nattering that goes on here, it doesn't bother me much. But when I get bored, I have to start creating some fun.

I am beginning to get bored, so it's time to start moving some pieces around.

I wonder if anyone of 'import' is going to make a show?


Author:  virginia
Posted:  2001-11-27 02:47

John talked out of both sides of his mouth and

Black PRed my posts in a somewhat ingenious way by saying he was trying to stay "sane" while "reading my posts"

while out the other side of his mouth said to Paul:

"...you certainly got rid of all those trouble makers"

Now THAT was funny John, as in classic rejection of an outpoint.

I think you, as a troublemaker, are still here for some minor entertainment value...as you have at least the eensiest bit SORT of reined in your CASE.

But, I could be wrong.



Virginia



Author:  virginia
Posted:  2001-11-27 02:51

Paul,

Yea,it is getting kind of repetitious around here, let's move some pieces around, eh?

Import, hmm, I think you might have something there.

We'll see....

We haven't played Dick Tricky in a while,or where is KING MO, or the Sam Spade poker game improv, or the cyberspace comedy club...or WHO's behind CST?....or Find Joe Lisa's book...

'Spose we could do one of those...they were fun.

Or, try something new and different!

Hmmm

virginia




Author:  misiunas
Posted:  2001-11-30 13:06

They sure were fun.

I wonder what game will be coming up next.


Author:  chosti
Posted:  2001-11-30 18:23

how about opening the research/development folder?


Author:  Kevin G. Brady
Posted:  2001-12-13 21:21

Virginia:

Why are you trying to suppress my communication?

Can't you confront me?

For the record, I think Dianetics and Scientology work.

I just think running Hubbard's case on other people is gross out-tech, and that you are a stupid bitch.

kgb


Author:  virginia
Posted:  2001-12-14 00:29

Don't mind KGB, he's just having another one of his temper tantrums-him and "John" must be buds back there in kindergarden on the time track.

They both have called me "Vagina" now, something I haven't HEARD since kindergarden. (from a boy who had a crush on me)

LOL

Here is what Kevin had to say about his great plan for himself and others.


He made a thread over on FZINT board called:

: Fun with morons! Throwaway accounts!

Kevin G. Brady (Journeyman) <mailto:tabula_totallis@hotmail.com>
Friday, December 14, 2001 - 02:34 am

If you want to engage in mockery, (the lowest form of creativity) get a throwaway account, and reregister at fza!

Fun!

Watch Virginia explode!

Check out my latest posts!

Childish, but truely satisfying.

kgb

---

Sigh, kids.

Virginia



Author:  misiunas
Posted:  2001-12-14 09:03

Kevin thinks just because his username has been banned that no one knows he 'sneaks' in and looks around a lot. It's funny that he thinks it's all 'moronic', and yet he can't withhold himself from visiting.

Some people just can't RESIST reading stuff like "Jontu has arrived", "Intelligence Updates", you know - UNIMPORANT, MORONIC things like that.

_________________
aka Paul Misiunas

[ This Message was edited by: misiunas on 2001-12-14 09:06 ]



Author:  virginia
Posted:  2001-12-14 16:39

Paul,

"UNIMPORTANT" and "MORONIC" eh?

ROTFL

You crack me up.

Virginia



Author:  Jontu
Posted:  2001-12-18 02:57

On the cutting of comm-lines.

Selected quotes from An Essay on Management, August, 1951, except where noted:

"...in a true group, communications and communication lines should be and are sacred."

Sacred: entitled to veneration or respect; secured against violation, infringement, etc.
Venerate: to regard or treat with reverence.
Reverence: a feeling or attitude of deep respect.
Violate: to disturb; to act in unlawful or improper disregard of the sacred or established nature of.

"Communication lines are sacred and must not be used as channels of viciousness and EnTheta. They must not be twisted or perverted."

EnTheta: especially refers to communications, which, based on lies and confusions, are slanderous, choppy or destructive in an attempt to overwhelm or suppress a person or group.

Notice the qualifying statement in the above definition - "based on lies and confusions"

"Theta is as pure as it has truth in it."
- LRH, Diagnosis and Repair of Groups, January, 1951

"Communication lines are sacred and who would interrupt or pervert a communication line within a group is entitled to group death - exile. And that usually happens as a natural course of events."

Interrupt: to interfere with action.
Pervert: to turn away from the right course of action.

"Any management of anything can raise tone and efficiency by establishing and maintaining zealously, as a sacred trust, communication lines through all the group and from outside the group into the group and from in the group outside the group."

Maintain: keep unimpaired; to keep in a specified state.
Zealous: full of, characterized by, or resulting from zeal; ardently, active, devoted or dilligent.
Zeal: fervor for a person, cause or object; enthusiastic dilligence.
Fervor: intense heat.

"A line is as dangerous to tamper with as it has truth in its channel. It is safe and even preserving of a line to cut it when it contains EnTheta."

Theta = Truth
EnTheta = Lies

"A group has the right to exile anyone it discovers to be guilty of tampering with any communication line."

"Communication lines are severed in this fashion: (a) by permitting so much EnTheta to flow on them that the group will close them or avoid them; (b) by perverting the communication and so invalidating the line that afterwards none will pay attention to the line..."


It could be said, that there are two groups present in varying degrees on this board: (1) a true group based upon Theta - truth; and (2) a false group based upon EnTheta - lies.

The purpose of the false group is to interfere with the operations of the true group, by disrupting the comm line (this discussion board). Since the false group uses lies and perversions (deflected vector), it is preserving of the comm line (this discussion board) to cut-off any EnTheta (lies and perversions) being injected into it.

You will also notice, in (b) above, the basic purpose of Operation KookNuke - invalidation of the line so that none will pay attention to it. However, since the line being interfered with contains so much truth, it is very dangerous for the false group to interfere with the line. Why? Because they use lies and confusions, which have been, and will continue to be, exposed. The false group, which relies upon lies, deceit, and remaining hidden for its very existence, is, by these continuing operations, becoming more and more exposed and visible. As they become more visible, and people begin to see them for what they really are, As-Isness will occur, and they will begin to vanish. They continue to persist only by alter-isness and not-isness.

So they are in a bit of a quandry - to continue with their operations which will inevitably lead to their exposure and As-Isness, or cease operations. But they can't cease operations because of their basic purpose to stop the true group. But everytime they try to stop the true group, they get exposed some more; can't get exposed anymore - must remain hidden; have to attack - can't attack. Quite a problem for them, as you can see. What is a problem? Intention - Counter-intention.


"The most vital lines of a group are not operational lines, although this may appear so to management. They are the Theta lines between any Theta and the group and the goal finder and the group. Management that tampers with these lines in any way will destroy itself. These actually have tension and explosion in them. It is as inevitable as nightfall that these lines will explode, when tampered with, at the exact point of the tampering. This is a natural law of communication lines."


"Below 2.0, whatever his expressed intentions, the individual works as enTheta and enMEST and as the tone sinks to 1.0 will actually kill himself and other individuals or groups. He talks of death and emergencies. He advises powerful remedies for "potential death" situations. And although he may seem to work hard to "remedy" the situations he postulates, he will yet produce only reduced survival or death for himself, his associates or his group. He may seem to be working with the highest effectiveness, he may believe he is doing his very best and yet the end product of his endeavor will be reduced survival or death."
- LRH, Diagnosis and Repair of Groups, January, 1951



Author:  VAST
Posted:  2001-12-18 07:19

Hi Jontu. Thank you for that post. I will be writing a post later today dealing with that very subject.


Author:  Emile
Posted:  2001-12-18 21:13

Hey Jontu, That was superb! Thank you for it.


Author:  misiunas
Posted:  2001-12-19 08:57

Jontu said:
>>Sacred: entitled to veneration or respect;
>>secured against violation, infringement, etc.

I like that word.


Author:  Ron Is Great
Posted:  2002-01-13 03:10

Jontu,

I agree with that post!

Antagonism may be the spice of life, but I don't want to eat pepper all day.

A touch of the asthetic would be pleasing.

A lot of 4.0 discussion would be my preference.

Colliding opinions are going to create some antagonism, so there is not need to deliberately try for 2.0 or less. I came here from Clambake to get some theta!