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Where is Author: Kheinsa Posted: 2001-11-17 11:41 Where is Rudy and Vast and their group? I greatly miss their comm. Author: curious about ... Posted: 2001-11-17 13:13 Both tend to be very busy in their "other" lives. Be Well Author: VAST Posted: 2001-11-17 15:50 Hi Kheinsa. I just happened to log on for a couple minutes and noticed your post. I have been very busy delivering the RONS ORG bridge and expanding the group. Rudy is a member of my group, too, and is busy as well. When the current cycle I am doing is complete I will have more time to allocate to the forum. I find communicating with my friends here is something I enjoy. Have fun and study and audit daily. 
Author: Kheinsa Posted: 2001-11-17 22:18 Boy I am tired of my ISP dropping the carrier. It is the ISP fault this time. I had to use an alternate number for the other was busy. Again I lost my reply to you guys. Here it goes again. Curious I know they are busy but I think I can speak for others they are missed.
I don't think having flu symptoms is fun. I think I have read most of what I am going to. I will keep up with some things on the net. I learn from that but I have enough to do what I have to. I wrote my repayment letter finally. It will be sent soon. Otherwise I have decided to kill the old diet I was on I couldn't hack it and went backwards. I read Virginia's site and it just reinforced what I have to do. Happy Turkey day. Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-17 23:33 Kheinsa, Hope the flu symptoms get better soon, and good luck on your repayment letter! I relayed to my husband Mike (he's technically the owner of the site btw) that you have enjoyed the website, and the work that has gone into it by both of us. Thanks for the acknowledgement! Virginia Author: Kheinsa Posted: 2001-11-21 22:59 [quote] On 2001-11-17 23:33, virginia wrote: Kheinsa, Hope the flu symptoms get better soon, and good luck on your repayment letter! I am better now Ne nigt I felt weird. I told who ever the electronics were too high. I never felt that wierd. My body was in distress. I recovered. I got a bit bent due to my coworkers behavior towards me because I was sick. But they don't think. Working in a store flu and colds are around. It can't be avoided. I don't behave as they do when the are sick. Most of them hide that they are sick by meds. I try not to use them but sometimes I have to. I missed this reply from you Virginia. Sorry. I am getting to hate this browser. I can't type right using it. By no choice of mine it replaced mine from Windows. I relayed to my husband Mike (he's technically the owner of the site btw) that you have enjoyed the website, and the work that has gone into it by both of us. I am not done reading it. I found a few problems. I downloaded the whole file and I didn't get the whole file. It does this with each download. I think WordPad can have a file only so big. It is better to use WORD. I had to fix this. It can be fixed if you don't have word by breaking the file up in smaller chunks. It stopped at the place where it mentions the Toronto raid. What do you think of the CD Idea. Good bad or cost too much. I am going to do it any ways. Thanks for the acknowledgement! Welcome _________________ Destroy Suppression Be Free Be Well Kheinsa [ This Message was edited by: Kheinsa on 2001-11-21 23:06 ] Author: curious about ... Posted: 2001-11-22 01:03 Kensha Sending CDs around with anything concerning the Cof$ can be dangerous. OSA is around and ruthless . Electronic is realitively instant. Big files are a bit of a problem but you can download them overnight. Electronics do not require a name or address. If there is a lot of trust CDs can work. Be Well Author: VAST Posted: 2001-11-22 02:00 VAST said I could use his username and password, so finally here I am! As VAST said we have been very busy, and besides I have not been able to post from an other computer in this forum with my password that was created at home. I also do not like this new format, so it has put me off from posting. Anyway, I am alive and well, moving up the bridge, as I hope you all are. If you are not, you or someone else is denying yourself the greatest experience you will ever know...rediscovery of your own awareness and abilities. There is quite a concerted effort to knock out the bridge, I suggest you get moving if you aren't already. Let us know if we can help! New e-mail address for RONS Org is: Be Well, RUDY [ This Message was edited by: VAST on 2001-11-22 02:01 ] Author: Journeyman Posted: 2001-11-22 03:01 It was very good of VAST to allow you to post under his nym. That guy is so damn helpful, I am afraid that one day I will have to help him as much as he has helped me. (Or more, if possible, you know: exchange in abundance.) Why aren't you able to post from your other computer? A hardware problem? What bothers you about the new format? I am glad that you are doing well, particularly with your Bridge actions. I salute you for striding forward! You are right that not doing one's Bridge is denying oneself abilities. To me, it indicates the presence of overts and withholds, as only they could make a being want to restrict his own abilities. Since I have not been moving, I hereby C/S myself to do the O/W section of the Pilot's Self-Clearing book as my next action, whilst keeping in all of my other successful actions. What is the concerted effort that you speak of to knock out the Bridge? To me, it is almost humorous to worry about that. Not because it would be funny if it happened, but I just think there are too many free beings who know how to remain that way and how to help others for the automaticities and merchants of fear to succeed. Let 'em try. They are doing themselves in, and if we don't resist their dramatizations, perhaps they will cool off long enough for us to help them. As far as letting you know if you can help, you already have. My lease is up in March. I have to make a decision about which group I am going to join at that point. I am torn between Ron's Orgs and Metapsychology. I guess I need to continue to compare and contrast them, and certainly meet some of the people from both camps, and then decide. Maybe doing one won't preclude me from doing the other, as things develop? Thanks for the email addy, I will use it should I run into something that requires some clarification or other help! Good to see you posting, Rudy. Thanks for enabling him to do so, VAST. _________________ Journeyman aka KGB, Kevin G! Brady, and "Hey you!" Who benefits? [ This Message was edited by: Journeyman on 2001-11-22 03:03 ] [ This Message was edited by: Journeyman on 2001-11-22 03:04 ] Author: Kheinsa Posted: 2001-11-22 14:28
I am starting to understand how bad OSA can be. I am reading the file. That is why Rudy warned me to stay out of it. I want to help and I can't help I want to help but I am aware I am no in the place to do so. I thought Cd because not everyone will look on the site. It doesn't have to have an address either. Ever heard of word of mouth. That style was my thought. I will have to rain my desire to help in now. thanks for the warning. Author: Kheinsa Posted: 2001-11-22 14:37
I bought books on ebay to replace my altered one. I await them. Bye Rudy Author: Kheinsa Posted: 2001-11-22 14:42 What is the concerted effort that you speak of to knock out the Bridge? To me, it is almost humorous to worry about that. Not because it would be funny if it happened, but I just think there are too many free beings who know how to remain that way and how to help others for the automaticities and merchants of fear to succeed. Let 'em try. They are doing themselves in, and if we don't resist their dramatizations, perhaps they will cool off long enough for us to help them. As far as letting you know if you can help, you already have. My lease is up in March. I have to make a decision about which group I am going to join at that point. I am torn between Ron's Orgs and Metapsychology. I guess I need to continue to compare and contrast them, and certainly meet some of the people from both camps, and then decide. Maybe doing one won't preclude me from doing the other, as things develop? I agree with you. They can't put the genie in the bottle once it is out. Anyways to all I am feeling better. A very nice day here. I could take this weather all winter. Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-23 01:12 Kheinsa, You are torn between metapsychology and Ron's org? Or were you quoting kgb? Virginia Author: Kheinsa Posted: 2001-11-23 12:27
I don't even know what metapsychology is. I am not torn. I am unhappy at my cut comm ine to Ron's org. It feels like ASHO all over again. To tell the truth I at this time don't know what you are talking about.(KGB) I don't get it. I think as I said yesterday unless I have to anwer here I will stand on the side. Not post. I don't even understand how you think I am for anything else but standard tech. That is why I was deadfiled because of my upset and fight for standard tech. I have nothing else to say on this. I stand on standard tech and nothing else. Author: Kheinsa Posted: 2001-11-23 12:33 Virginia. My awareness sometimes isn't what it shoud be. I get lax and don't check what some one said. I went over the above quote I replid to and now I understand what you thougt and why. I have to become more aware of the quotes I use. In my reply I meant I agree with not fighting the church. The other part about being torn I paid no attention to at all. I should have not quoted it I don't know what metaphy whatever is. I have no desire to find out or I would have. Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-23 17:05 Kheinsa, Ok, Thanks for clarifying that you aren't interested in metapsychology, so as I see, it was KGB you were quoting. (journeyman). Virginia Author: Journeyman Posted: 2001-11-23 20:36 Kheinsa: Metapsychology is a field of data of comparable magnitude to Scientology. Data of comparable magnitude are essential for truely understanding any subject. It was written and formulated by Frank "Sarge" Gerbode and David Mayo, along with Gerald French. Mayo was deposed as Senior C/S Int during the beginning of Miscavige's interregnum. He created Metapsychology with Gerbode's help (Gerbode was, and maybe is, a wealthy psychiatrist, who was thirteen years a highly classed auditor in the Church. I don't know anything about Gerald French. I am glad that you have found such confidence in Standard Tech. I, too, have such confidence with the way they handle phenomena. What I am interested in, is Clearing. Charge off the case. To me, anything that brings charge off the case is valuable tech. I have not decided not to do Standard Tech actions. I have decided to do them, and other actions, to compare and contrast them. I hope that explains my position, and doesn't alienate you. Author: Kheinsa Posted: 2001-11-24 00:38 Kheinsa, Ok, Thanks for clarifying that you aren't interested in metapsychology, so as I see, it was KGB you were quoting. (journeyman). I was angry for being thought as being for anything else. I have been on the forum and I have sent you e-mail. You should know by now what am for. I didn't fight the church for standard tech and was deadfiled for nothing. I LOVED my people and I lost them in the fight. Now I stay out because of the out ethics and the suppression of the church. I could have done my program and gone back. I could have my friends if I did so. I choose to do what is right. I mailed my repayment letter today. I had highly valued comm line with Rudy. That has been cut. I am told busy but just disappearing is not OK. I don't believe in that but I guess most people do. What I want in the world hardly exisits anymore. I am lucky I have two friends that have it. The are Christians. The church people don't communicate to me directly. I am aware I go downtone. I don't like it when people don't ack my comm and pretend I didn't say it.I rather them come out and tell me the truth. Rudy did this. I value that. I can stand my ground. I will never be treated as was in the church again. There or in the freezone. I would walk away from it all if I was. I will not go through what I did before again. It would mean the freedom don't exist anymore and honest comm and caring for another even if they are lower tone don't exist any more. It is too easy to do that. I am not stupid no matter what tone I am in I notice I do OT things. Like the car I drove I like very much. I wished it to be restored by it's new owner and guess what even as sad as I can be I saw the car today being driven and I am told it will be restored. So don't count me out like he church did. I was a poor person who bacame too aware of things. I don't have money. I don't even drive my own car for it cost too much. I know how to fight back when it looks like nothing will work. So don't ever think I am not for standard tech. Walk a mile in a person shoes before a person can truly know what case they fight. I said I will only post when I have to. I have one more to post. I wonder why I put up with such things in my life. Others would have seen the entheta and left. I talked. Author: Kheinsa Posted: 2001-11-24 00:58
I am not alienated. I am ticked. I am aware some come here and pretend to be nice but their purpose is to destroy. I don't like that on bit. Anyone has the right to find their path Most will find in the end there is only one path. You can still learn on the others but they don't get you there. I will get there. I use any common sense knowledge that works. Guess what it fits in the tech somewhere. I find It always does. I don't like posting to this site for I can't type right. This is the only site I have a problem with. I want to smash things when it don't type. Good luck on your trip. Author: Journeyman Posted: 2001-11-24 04:59 I agree, you don't have to know anything about Metapsychology. Scientology will fully get you there. Mayo did NOT go off the road. He left the Church, started his own groups (the Advanced Ability Centers) and delivered his versions of the OT levels. His centers were very successful until OSA stole their mailing lists and began slandering him and threatening them (with loss of their Bridge), and planting people to cause problems, etc. The reason he rewrote the subject is because RTC uses Trade Law and Copyright Law to stifle anyone using their terminology, or published works. So he wrote his own versions, and now they can't touch him. That's my take. I can understand having doubts about the psychology/psychiatry connection; suffice it to say that Gerbode was one of a very small number of psychiatrists that were also highly classed auditors. In his books, he says he gets FAR better results with auditing (viewing) tech than he ever did with any psychiatric tech. To your next point, it is more than a shame what happened with suppression in the Church, it is a crime. Therefore I publicly protest them, on A.R.S., and direct anyone who asks about scientology to the FreeZone. It is not enough, but it is a beginning. I would be willing to contribute to any legal efforts made to wrest the copyrights from Church control, and release the subject into the public domain, so that all could benefit from it, like people do with public domain science and expired trademarks. I am glad you are not alienated. Despite some slander to the contrary, I am not a person who comes to this site pretending to be nice, but trying to destroy. Ask anyone who has been a long-time poster here what my record is like. I post what I think is true, and right, and try not to get drawn into fighting. I try to see the truth as other people see it, and give them the benefit of the doubt. I respect your opinion regarding what paths will work and will try to help within any framework that you feel comfortable. Do you have an auditor to work with? Have you considered Rey Robles? Word on the street is he is 100% Standard Tech. Ask around. I'm sorry to hear that you have had some sort of ARCx with the RONS orgs. Are you qualified as a solo auditor? Author: misiunas Posted: 2001-11-24 14:40 We've come a long way from : >>Where is Rudy and Vast and their group? >> >>I greatly miss their comm. Perhaps a new topic is in order. Author: Kheinsa Posted: 2001-11-25 00:01 It is best to end this thread. As Paul suggested. I don't solo audit and I want to work with Ron's org. Lets move this to another thread. Hey I can type well. I am not using my regular ISP and I am having no trouble posting. I was about to scream at the problems. I still is a bit fussy but now so bad. I learned a new lession Paul I tried to keep quiet on my some things so my tone level won't hurt others. I find then I hurt me and I go lower. I get the reply. I am no longer angry for I ssid what I had to. I got your message Journeyman. Author: antmanbee Posted: 2001-12-09 04:26 i believe metapsychology is David Mayo's group. He was LRH's auditor. I think what they do is pretty much standard scientology but have replaced church specific words for new words or words that are already in use in the wog world. this as both to attract a more university type auddience and to avoid ccoopyright infringements. He must be pretty good if Ron used him as an auditor. I don't know how the tech would have fared with the substitution of words. Do you know how to contact these guys ? I have not been able to find any info about this stuff on the web. Justin Author: virginia Posted: 2001-12-09 16:44 Justin, I am sure if you go over and post on FZINT discussion board, Kevin will be extremely happy to provide you answers to your questions, since he is an avid supporter of metapsychology. 
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