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TROM Author: guardian Posted: 2001-11-12 23:02 I've started running creative RI, have experienced change (tiredness). I figured I could push through it so I continued on (and woke up 4 hours later). Trying abain the next day with much the same result. Has anyone else had this problem? Author: punkfloyd Posted: 2001-11-12 23:53 Could be an overrun Could be a wrong action (related to above) Could be a failed purpose Could be a misunderstood. Could be a restimulation. They produce a bit different sorts of tiredness but it's a subtle thing. It would be hard to tell what it is remotely, so use your judgement. Try other kinds of RI/Objectives if this one stalls. best, punkfloyd Author: NOANSWER Posted: 2001-11-13 04:38 Hi Guardian, On which TROM-level are you processing? 
NOANSWER Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-14 15:15 in addition to No answer's question, ... WHY are you processing on TROM? ? Virginia Author: Coolio Posted: 2001-11-15 07:06 What arethe benefits of the TROM bridge as opposed to the Rons org approach ? Author: punkfloyd Posted: 2001-11-15 10:51 TROM can be run solo and it is very simple (the entire book "The Resolution Of Mind" is under 100 pages) There's also (anecdotal) evidence that "Bridge" style approach which Ron's Orgs uses and "Comparison" style approach (TROM, UCP) address different areas of the case. Each of them is apparently capable of giving gains unavailable with the other approach. Uh oh. This will probably draw flames from both sides. Oh well. Just remember: "Preach in a whorehouse, or preach in a church, you are not going to make any converts" punkfloyd Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-15 12:57 Punkie said: There's also (anecdotal) evidence that "Bridge" style approach which Ron's Orgs uses and "Comparison" style approach (TROM, UCP) address different areas of the case. Each of them is apparently capable of giving gains unavailable with the other approach I say: On what do you base this supposed differentiation of one addresses valid areas of case vs the other? I find that intriguing. Coolio: A better rephrasing, and more accurate, of your question would be: What are the benefits of TROM vs LRH's approach as available in some RO's? Answer, LRH's approach works all the way up and out. Trom's, will not. Virginia Author: punkfloyd Posted: 2001-11-15 16:04 >What are the benefits of TROM vs LRH's approach as available in some RO's? Handling of some long-term reactive identifications and game conditions. Since TROM-style approaches are much less directed than traditional Scn approaches the "ability gained" is more pc-dependent. >Answer, LRH's approach works all the way up and out. Here's another opinion: "They [Muslim scholars] must be aware of the schemes and plots of the enemy and encourage patience in such situations and urge the Muslims to be distant from their enemies and not to mix with them nor to listen to their sermons because they call to the fire while the people of Islaam call to paradise." Shaykh Ibn Baaz al-Aqalliyaat al-Muslimah - Page 28, Fatwa No.3 The only real test I can think of is to run TROM/UCP on people who have completed Ron's Org bridge or vice versa. I don't know if this has been done. The tangible facts are that I know personally and read accounts of people who have benefitted from doing TROM or UCP after many years of CofS auditing. I think you can find some of posts to this effect right here on fza.org. Most common realization then is that despite many undeniable gains made during the bridge auditing large portions of one's everyday life were entirely in the Below-Death portion of the Tone Scale. Eventually this gets straightened out and the life correspondingly improves. One example (this one is about UCP, which is a very close relative of TROM). http://www.geocities.com/factnot2/UCP/p1.htm >Trom's, will not. Um, how do you know? Any facts to support that claim? Btw it is TROM - The Resolution Of Mind. An abbreviation. From where I stand, "There can be only one" attitude is better left to cowboy movies. punkfloyd Author: NOANSWER Posted: 2001-11-15 18:03 Hi everyone, I have run TROM, UCP, a big part of the standard LRH bridge and a lot of other ways of handling charge. They have all given me tremendous case-gain. Especially TROM. It's necessary to adress every aspect of life in order to be free of it. Some of these bridges will just give you case-gain till a certain level. The main point is that if you haven't use it and try to figure, figure about it, you will just hit the bank and go A=A=A. A lot of people did a standard bridge and got helped, but a lot of others didn't. So if you say my bridge is better than yours, I say whatever suits you is just fine with me. If UCP is working for you, great continue. If TROM is working for you, great continue. If standard tech is working for you, well good to see you winning. If something isn't working, you will definitely find out sooner or later. The bridge at Ron's org is the total bridge to freedom, but I will always try not to evaluate or invalidate someone else's bridge. What works for you, works for you. NOANSWER 
Author: punkfloyd Posted: 2001-11-15 22:58 Noanswer, you have nailed it! 
punkfloyd Author: curious about ... Posted: 2001-11-15 23:07 No answer I appreciate your "open Minded" viewpoint. It is enjoyable to hear someone who thinks for themselves and is not afraid to experiment with different elements and avenues to freedom. Be Well Author: guardian Posted: 2001-11-16 01:02 I guess I've opened the hornets nest. Isn't this what it's all about---hashing it out with raw communication! Great job!!!!! guardian Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-16 02:15 Repeat for punkie as wasn't answered. Thanks. Virginia Punkie said: There's also (anecdotal) evidence that "Bridge" style approach which Ron's Orgs uses and "Comparison" style approach (TROM, UCP) address different areas of the case. Each of them is apparently capable of giving gains unavailable with the other approach I say: On what do you base this supposed differentiation of one addresses valid areas of case vs the other? I find that intriguing. Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-16 02:25 Punkie, >What are the benefits of TROM vs LRH's approach as available in some RO's? Handling of some long-term reactive identifications and game conditions. Since TROM-style approaches are much less directed than traditional Scn approaches the "ability gained" is more pc-dependent. -I say.... BS... Perfect term. Succinct, and to the point. tiptoeing through the tulips aside. >Answer, LRH's approach works all the way up and out. Here's another opinion: -Do you have difficulty telling the difference between fact and opinion? Perhaps a study of the data series could assist. As what I said above, was not an opinion, whereas what you quoted is a mix of fact and opinion, plus facts as opinion and opinions as fact. A mismash if you will. The only real test I can think of is to run TROM/UCP on people who have completed Ron's Org bridge or vice versa. I don't know if this has been done. -What is it with this "test" thing? I don't need to "test" xstacy, or "test" LSD, the data visible is plenty to know it has more destruction than creation, which is what Trom and UCP are. Not NO creation, but an imbalance. - The tangible facts are that I know personally and read accounts of people who have benefitted from doing TROM or UCP after many years of CofS auditing. I think you can find some of posts to this effect right here on fza.org. -That means...what exactly? Little of this, little of that cooking school? Won't work with a souffle by the way.... LOL -- Most common realization then is that despite many undeniable gains made during the bridge auditing large portions of one's everyday life were entirely in the Below-Death portion of the Tone Scale. Eventually this gets straightened out and the life correspondingly improves. -- That's called NOTS and above. Perhaps some have heard of it. Um, how do you know? Any facts to support that claim? -The data itself, of course, not to mention there aren't any products approaching where LRH is, but that's another story. More his to tell than mine I would imagine. Btw it is TROM - The Resolution Of Mind. An abbreviation. From where I stand, "There can be only one" attitude is better left to cowboy movies. Without one, there is no viewpoint to view the others, now is there? No. Virginia Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-16 02:36 No Answer, I would like to clarify something. I support freedom of religion,true freedom of speech (which is not license to lie), and the humanities, etc. etc, and work on these. Honest efforts at such. I do not support efforts that hide behind these,are more destructive than beneficial, and pretend to be on a par with, and ask for the same support. Such as....Knowledgeism, TROM, "exploring the potential of the mind" (read mindcontrol experiments), pretending of being one thing when it's another (like the Church), etc. Also using "opposing views" or "anything goes it's all wonderful", "or let's sit around and debate it and "reach a compromise", as a method of dissuading, persuading, disinforming people and captalizing on their decreased awareness, and lack of "know" in areas. 
Virginia Author: guardian Posted: 2001-11-16 09:00 virginia Who is capitalizing on TROM---I downloaded it for free and I don't pay a penny to use it!!!! If it works for me the only one who could capitalize on it is ME!! All this "RON is the way, the truth and the light, no man cometh unto freedom but by HE" has been done. Ron was a hell of a guy but I'm not about to start worshiping him ( I'll leave that to the church ) I'm sure Rons Orgs bridge is a good thing. I'm not trying to put anyone down. If you get stuck in any one thing--Doesn't that make it an engram? Have you even read TROM? guardian Author: misiunas Posted: 2001-11-16 15:55 Hi guardian. >>All this "RON is the way, the truth and the >>light, no man cometh unto freedom but by HE" has >>been done. >> >>Ron was a hell of a guy but I'm not about to >>start worshiping him ( I'll leave that to the >>church ) Well, we are here to further our understanding of Scientology, aren't we? We are interested in his products aren't we? All those other 'products' out there owe their birth to LRH. The object of Scientology is not worshipping L. Ron Hubbard, but 'knowing how to know'. Confusing other people's ideas, or even the man himself, with that definition might cover it up, but for some reason it keeps peeking around the corners.
Lots of people think that they 'know how to know', but what I've mostly seen is 'knowing how to know' in some particular narrow band or area, while the w-i-d-e view goes by, completely unnoticed. I guess part of that would be waking up and some people would rather keep sleeping. Sure, some specific aspect of a case can be addressed in all sorts of ways and means. But I think that when the real thing bites, it's gonna take a lot more than just handling some narrow band of concern. hmmmm. Maybe that's the reason for the bridge in the first place.
Author: guardian Posted: 2001-11-17 00:57 Isn't that just about what I said? Rather than sit in the side lines and fight about who's got the better play book---let's realize that we're on the same team, use every playbook or play that works!! Can we get past the "Only one way--Only one bridge----flat-earther" approach? That's where the CofS is----someone else had that approach to---Hitler!! So let's get over--Who's the greatest BE--and let's get together and--Do the greatest DO!!!! guardian Author: NOANSWER Posted: 2001-11-17 17:41 Hi everyone, Thanks a lot for your posts. I am always happy to see someone winning in this already enturbulated world. There are too many beings who are loosing and too many beings who are causing others to continue on their loosing path. We are all on the same ship. So instead of throwing some beings of the ship, in order to make the ship go a little faster and too satisfy the more 'important' beings on the ship, I prefer to keep all beings on the ship and arrive at my destination with a couple of weeks of delay. This is my personal viewpoint. Virginia, I understand your viewpoint and I appreciate your efforts and communication. Much love! NOANSWER
Author: guardian Posted: 2001-11-20 00:41 Well then--let's start over! Does anyone have any positive comm. about TROM? Wins? Etc. guardian Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-20 00:49 Guardian, Why don't you try Scientology directly, instead of an offshoot? Oh, yeah, I know why. 
Virginia No Answer: Ok. Hey, what auditing have you had? Are you a Ron's org public? Staff? Virginia Author: guardian Posted: 2001-11-20 01:54 OOOOOOOK!!! As I said: On 2001-11-20 00:41, guardian wrote: Well then--let's start over! Does anyone have any positive comm. about TROM? Wins? Etc. guardian Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-20 02:10 Not a guardian, What's that you say? No need to yell. Btw, this probably isn't the best place for what you are trying to do. Perhaps you should go over to ACT or something. Ya think? I'm sure you can find some TROMmers there. Virginia Author: guardian Posted: 2001-11-20 02:16
Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-20 02:33 ROTFL not a guardian. Who exactly are you tr3ing anyway? Hmm? Big hint, I don't use or plan to use TROM, so tr3ing me is a bit redundant, don't ya think? Buh-bye now. Virginia Author: guardian Posted: 2001-11-20 02:40 [quote] On 2001-11-20 02:33, virginia wrote: ROTFL not a guardian. Who exactly are you tr3ing anyway? (Not you!) Big hint, I don't use or plan to use TROM, so tr3ing me is a bit redundant, don't ya think? ( I'm not tr3ing you----I'm IGNORING you!) ( GO AWAY! ) gardian Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-20 02:43 Oh, ok, yeah, uh huh, Rrrrright... You are "ignoring" me. ROTFL. This is getting pathetic of you, not a guardian. Why don't you go play on ARS or ACT? Or do you just HAVE to hang around here, is that it? Orders maybe? LOL Virginia Author: guardian Posted: 2001-11-20 02:50 Welcome to SP land! guardian Author: virginia Posted: 2001-11-20 03:04 No thanks not a guardian, you are welcome to your as you call it, SP land. When you see them there, Tell DM and the three behind CST hello for me, will ya? You seem quite at home there, but that's not HERE. You are in the wrong place. Better get a new map.. LOL Since you are a guy, god knows you won't actually ASK for directions..... Heaven forbid. Virginia Author: guardian Posted: 2001-11-20 03:15 FUCK YOURSELF YOU STUPID CUNT |
