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Underdog, to Freethought^2, to Vector...etc IP and NYM crossmatching: additional Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-14 03:38 I will just repost my original, and then the additional data so it's easier to follow, and all in one place. Virginia ---------- Hi everyone, Well, I wasn't sure how best to do this, as a database is really the best way to fully appreciate all the twists and turns and connections of what I'm about to post about. But, this is a post, and I have noticed tables don't transfer well when I have tried before. I'll just start at the beginning, of how I came to be pulling a string that keeps going and going and going... Talk about down the rabbit hole! So, as you know not too long ago I did a couple posts about what Ralphie and Bernd had been up to, as well as a poster named "underdog" who seemed to have access to some extremely limited information. As in limited to Vast (Daniel), and Marianne Hagen primarily. Although the data "underdog" posted was altered, still, there was just enough truth thrown here and there to be interesting. Privately, Mike and I have been apprised that apparently, Marianne and Daniel have their own behind the scenes activities occurring, similar to what Ralph and Bernd have been up to. I decided to check into this "underdog" character, who ALSO posts on this board. And away we go.............................. Pay attention to all details folks, including the who is Ip data I put there, it will be important later. I was originally going to wait to post this until I had it all typed up and done, but I believe it is better to start getting the data out, in parts. This will be part one. "Underdog" joined this board on November 12, 2001. Underdog uses 4 IP's to post from: 1. 12.73.230.152 nslookup 12.73.230.152 Canonical name: 152.houston-16-17rs.tx.dial-access.att.net Provider: AT&T ITS (NET-ATT) 200 Laurel Avenue South Middletown, NJ 07748 US 2. 172.170.85.67 nslookup 172.170.85.67 Canonical name: ACAA5543.ipt.aol.com Provider: America Online, Inc. (NETBLK-AOL-172BLK) 12100 Sunrise Valley Drive Reston, VA 20191 US 3. 216.142.233.105 nslookup 216.142.233.105 Canonical name: proxy.sjc.marketscore.com Providers:Broadwing Communications, Inc. (NET-BROADWING-NET) 1122 Capital of Texas Hwy. Austin, TX 78726-6426 US and: Comscore Networks (NETBLK-BRW-4987-COMSCORENET) 1700 Richards Ave. Santa Clara, CA 95050 US 4. 216.155.96.11 nslookup 216.155.96.11 Canonical name: horus.acceleration.net Provider: Accelerated Data Works, Inc. (NETBLK-ADW-BLK-1) 2831 NW 41st Street, Suite B Gainesville, FL 32606 US Ok, now that I am a moderator, I have access to the old board records as well as the new. In a look up of all the old board posters and their IP's, I found a match. Freethought2's IP (who also uses multiple IP's), matched exactly with nbr 3 above, of Underdog's. Freethought2, on November 5th at 7:39AM posted using IP: 216.142.233.105, on: Thread: Attn: Board and Mike Hunsaker Board Ethics! Message 11624 and also with same IP on November 5th 6:39am Thread: Pure theta wins from Standard LRH tech Message 11621 Now I should mention that Ralphie posted on thread: My observations, one day prior, November 4th, that he would provide IP's. Freethought2 posted with the IP 216.142.233.105, starting on November 5th, and was the only nym associated with that IP on the old board. Again, the aliases Freethought2 and Underdog, use IP 216.142.233.105. Next I pulled down what other IP's did Freethought2 post under: (for brevity on some of these I will just put etc where the same basic IP is used repeatedly, UNLESS there is an exact match with another alias in which case that full IP will be noted) 1. 64.0.99.201 nslookup 64.0.99.201 Canonical name: proxy.or3.marketscore.com Provider:XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-14) 1400 Parkmoor Avenue San Jose, CA 95126-3429 US (note the similarity in canonical name as 3 above of underdog) 2. 216.142.233.105 nslookup 216.142.233.105 Canonical name: proxy.sjc.marketscore.com Providers:Broadwing Communications, Inc. (NET-BROADWING-NET) 1122 Capital of Texas Hwy. Austin, TX 78726-6426 US and: Comscore Networks (NETBLK-BRW-4987-COMSCORENET) 1700 Richards Ave. Santa Clara, CA 95050 US 3. 64.210.241.103 nslookup 64.210.241.103 Canonical name: proxy.ia4.marketscore.com Providers: Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-11) 960 Hamlin Court Sunnyvale, CA 94089 US and Comscore-IAD COLO (NETBLK-FGC-REQ000000008656) 1761 Business Center Drive Reston, VA 20190 US (note similarity in canonical name as freethought2 nbr 1 above, and 3 of Underdog) 4. 63.214.64.155 nslookup 63.214.64.155 Canonical name: dialup-63.214.64.155.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net Provider: Level 3 Communications, Inc. (NETBLK-LEVEL4-CIDR) 1450 Infinite Drive Louisville, CO 80027 US 5. 216.67.8.35 nslookup 216.67.8.35 No reverse DNS (WSANO_DATA) Provider:NaviPath (NET-NAVIPATH1) 800 Federal Street Andover, MA 01810 US 6. (there are a lot of extensions of this same basic IP-for brevity I will just show key ones where other nyms are introduced) 12.91.0.14 nslookup 12.91.0.14 Canonical name: 14.cambridge-01-02rs.ma.dial-access.att.net whois -h whois.arin.net 12.91.0.14 ... AT&T ITS (NET-ATT) 200 Laurel Avenue South Middletown, NJ 07748 US 12.91.0.251 uses the nym Truth 12.91.0.99 uses the nym Truth 12.91.1.162 uses the nym Agent of the Undead 12.91.1.247 posts as Rudy 12.91.3.8912.91.3.89 posts as ? 12.91.3.9 uses the nym Truth and CST Insider 12.91.5.96 posts as John 12.91.6.195 uses nym Miss Cleo, Hungry Now, and Hidingmydouble 12.91.6.86 Truth (note: all of the above,even where new nyms are introduced, are ALSO posted from using the nym Freethought^2) Ok, now using the IP's I reverse searched to see if other nyms match. And down the rabbit hole even further we go.. An exact match for the nym "Vector" who has posted to the old board as early as February 2001. Exact match with nbr 3 IP of Freethought2, above. So, starting with that, we search again for what other IP's the nym "Vector" may lead too. Posts as "Vector" 1. 64.210.241.103 nslookup 64.210.241.103 Canonical name: proxy.ia4.marketscore.com Providers: Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-11) 960 Hamlin Court Sunnyvale, CA 94089 US and Comscore-IAD COLO (NETBLK-FGC-REQ000000008656) 1761 Business Center Drive Reston, VA 20190 US EXACT MATCH freethought^2 (nbr 3 above). Note similarity in canonical name between freethought nbr 1,2 and underdog 3 as well. 2. 216.34.56.12 nslookup 216.34.56.12 Canonical name: proxy.sjc.netsetter.com Exodus Commnications Inc. (NETBLK-ECI-7) 1605 Wyatt Dr. Santa Clara, CA 95054US US And now we have a new twist of the entrance of the use of foreign IP's.. 3. 61.214.86.235 nslookup 61.214.86.235 Canonical name: p1235-ipad12osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp Japan Network Information Center address: Kokusai-Kougyou-Kanda Bldg 6F, 2-3-4 Uchi-Kanda address: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101-0047, Japan country: JP 4. 61.207.217.62 nslookup 61.207.217.62 Canonical name: p4062-ipad02osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp Japan Network Information Center address: Kokusai-Kougyou-Kanda Bldg 6F, 2-3-4 Uchi-Kanda address: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101-0047, Japan country: JP Ip's used by vector also tracing to Japan network information center: 61.126.139.65, 61.126.139.11, 61.126.138.236, 61.112.71.202,61.126.138.66, 211.129.188.226 etc. 5. 203.104.168.92 (there are multiple extensions of the basic IP) nslookup 203.104.168.92 Canonical name: 92.168.104.203.livedoor.com LIVEDOOR descr: Free Internet Service Provider country: JP person: Tsutomu Yoneyama address: New River Residence 1001 address: 1-6-11 Shinkawa, Chuo-ku address: Tokyo 104-0033 country: JP 6. 208.50.80.71 nslookup 208.50.80.71 Canonical name: proxy.ia3.marketscore.com Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-6) 960 Hamlin Court Sunnyvale, CA 94089 US Comscore (NETBLK-FGC-REQ000000005539) 1761 Business Center Drive Reston, VA 20190 US Note similarity in canonical name as Freethought^2 nbrs 1,2,3,Underdog 3, and Vector 1 above. 7. 64.210.241.101 nslookup 64.210.241.101 Canonical name: proxy.ia4.marketscore.com Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-11) 960 Hamlin Court Sunnyvale, CA 94089 US Comscore-IAD COLO (NETBLK-FGC-REQ000000008656) 1761 Business Center Drive Reston, VA 20190 US Note similarity between Vector 1, 6, Freethought^2 nbrs 1,2,3 and Underdog 3 A new nym enters with the above IP, "Bob Carson" 8. 64.0.99.137 nslookup 64.0.99.137 Canonical name: proxy.ord.marketscore.com XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-14) 1400 Parkmoor Avenue San Jose, CA 95126-3429 US In addition to noting the similarity in canonical name between Vector 1, 6,7, Freethought^2 nbrs 1,2,3 and Underdog 3...Note the almost exact match with Freethought^2 nbr 1. 9. 209.217.137.167 nslookup 209.217.137.167 Canonical name: proxy.aus.netsetter.com Verio, Inc. (NET-VRIO-209-217-128) 8005 South Chester Street Englewood, CO 80112 US Note the similarity in canonical name as Vector nbr 1 above. The nym "Bob Carson" is also associated with this IP. 10. 64.210.248.135 nslookup 64.210.248.135 Canonical name: proxy.ia2.marketscore.com Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-11) 960 Hamlin Court Sunnyvale, CA 94089 US Comscore-IAD COLO (NETBLK-FGC-REQ000000009465) 1761 Business Center Drive Reston, VA 20190 US Note the similarity in canonical name between Vector 1,6,7,8, Freethought^2 nbrs 1,2,3 and Underdog 3. 11. 64.209.134.135 nslookup 64.209.134.135 Canonical name: proxy.sna.netsetter.com Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-11) 960 Hamlin Court Sunnyvale, CA 94089 US Note the similarity in canonical name to nbr 9 above, yet the provider similarity, global crossing, is the same as Vector 1,6,7,8, Freethought^2 nbrs 1,2,3 and Underdog 3. 12. 206.65.190.34 nslookup 206.65.190.34 No reverse DNS (WSANO_DATA) UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NETBLK-NETBLK-UUNETCBLK64-67) 3060 Williams Drive, Suite 601 Fairfax, Virginia 22031 US Riot Entertainment (NETBLK-UU-206-65-190-D1) Unioninkatu 24 Helsinki, US 13. 38.144.151.137 nslookup 38.144.151.137 Canonical name: proxy.atl.netsetter.com Performance Systems International (NET-PSINETA) 510 Huntmar Park Drive Herndon, VA 22070 US Note the similarity in canonical name of Vector 2, 9, and 11 above. We also have a new nym introduced: OT Freezoner Searching now from any new nyms associated, we find an exact match with Bob Carson and Vector, so we then see if the new nym has any more IP's associated. 1. 209.217.137.167 nslookup 209.217.137.167 Canonical name: proxy.aus.netsetter.com Verio, Inc. (NET-VRIO-209-217-128) 8005 South Chester Street Englewood, CO 80112 US EXACT MATCH Vector/Bob Carson Part II As you recall, coming down from Underdog, to freethought^2, to Vector, we find a new nym under one of vector's other Ip's. Bob Carson. We will now examine the nym Bob Carson to see what other IP's/connections appear. Posts as Bob Carson. 1. 209.217.137.167 nslookup 209.217.137.167 Canonical name: proxy.aus.netsetter.com Verio, Inc. (NET-VRIO-209-217-128) 8005 South Chester Street Englewood, CO 80112 US EXACT MATCH Vector/Bob Carson 2. 206.173.208.85 nslookup 206.173.208.85 No reverse DNS (WSANO_DATA) XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-9) 1400 Parkmoor Avenue San Jose, CA 95126-3429 US Note: the same provider as Freethough^2 br 1, and Vector nbr 8 above. 3. 207.151.38.62 nslookup 207.151.38.62 No reverse DNS (WSANO_DATA) Los Nettos (NETBLK-LOS-NETTOS-BLK3) USC Information Sciences Institute PO 11565 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 US 4. 199.108.53.37 nslookup 199.108.53.37 Canonical name: artcen-public-02.lapl.org Addresses: 199.108.53.37 CERFnet (NETBLK-CERFNET-CBLK2) NETBLK-CERFNET-CBLK2 199.105.0.0 - 199.108.255.255 CERFnet customer - Los Angeles Public Library (NETBLK-CERF-LAPL) CERF-LAPL 199.108.42.0 - 199.108.57.255 5. 206.173.248.149 XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-9) 1400 Parkmoor Avenue San Jose, CA 95126-3429 US Note: the same provider as Freethough^2 br 1, Vector nbr 8, Carson nbr 2 above. 6. 206.173.240.112 XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-9) 1400 Parkmoor Avenue San Jose, CA 95126-3429 US Note: the same provider as Freethough^2 br 1, Vector nbr 8, Bob Carson nbr 2,5 above. We have another new nym entering with this IP, posts done as both Bob Carson and Euknoidor. 7. 208.50.80.71 nslookup 208.50.80.71 Canonical name: proxy.ia3.marketscore.com Addresses: 208.50.80.71 Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-6) 960 Hamlin Court Sunnyvale, CA 94089 US EXACT MATCH to Vector nbr 6. Also Note: similarity in provider for Freethought^2 nbr 2, Vector 1,7,10,11, as well as the similarity between canonical names with Underdog nbr 3, Freethought^2 nbr 1, 2, 3 and Vector 1,7,8,10. Also another new nym enters with this IP which is "h". ---------- Continuing going through the Vector to Bob Carson Ip's, as to other nym associations, (now that Bob Carson is done) we have OT Freezoner. 1. 38.144.151.137 nslookup 38.144.151.137 Canonical name: proxy.atl.netsetter.com Performance Systems International (NET-PSINETA) 510 Huntmar Park Drive Herndon, VA 22070 US Note the similarity in canonical name of Vector 2, 9, and 11 above. EXACT MATCH Vector nbr 13 above, and OT Freezoner 2. 205.188.198.27 205.188.198.27 205.188.195.37 64.12.102.152 These are all AOL accounts, which trace only to AOL. (as do all users of AOL) Ok, end of string going from Underdog nbr 3 above, To Freethought^2 nbr 1, to Freethought nbr 3, which matched Vector, and from Vector to Bob Carson, and Bob Carson to OT Freezoner. We now have so far, Underdog, Freethought^2, Vector, Bob Carson, and OT Freezoner all being actually essentially ONE POSTER. Now, we back up to Freethought^2's IP's, where last we left off (which was Freethought^2 nbr 3), and we take up Freethought^2 next IP's for any possible matches with other nyms. Freethought^2 nbr 6, Has the nyms Truth, CST Insider, Agent of the Undead,Miss Cleo, Hungry Now, and Hidingmydouble, Rudy, John. Reverse searching those nyms, no new IP associations. (except John, which will be a seperate post, as well as Rudy) OK, that concludes part 2, so in closing we now have the nyms: Underdog, Freethought^2, Vector, Bob Carson, OT Freezoner, Truth, CST Insider, Agent of the Undead,Miss Cleo, Hungry Now, and Hidingmydouble, and (Rudy, John-a seperate story), all being essentially ONE POSTER. One who in one of their nyms posts, said they have only been posting to the board since July or August. Well, the REAL PERSON using the above nyms, has been posting to the board since at least February/March 2001. That's just one of many lies this REAL PERSON back of these nyms has been spreading, all the while accusing me, primarily, of lying. It's getting quite clear that whoever this REAL PERSON is, they most definitely have an agenda towards me, one they hide behind multiple identities to carry out. And remember, the Freethought^2 identity, USED PC FOLDER data. There is only one place that comes from. The Church. And the church, certainly would have an agenda towards me to invest this kind of time and money, as the REAL PERSON behind all the above nyms, has obviously done. So, that's one rat's nest of identities, down. We shall see who else is in this "network". Virginia Author: underdog Posted: 2002-01-15 19:24 dear V sorry you went to all that work. "underdog" is one handle for one poster. i am on FZA, FZINT, and joined (but not posted) on FZAO Yahoo group same real name, same email address given to the sites, using the same computer on the same ISP (which is AT&T Worldnet) yes, i am in texas. i do not think I am out of line here, on this FZA board or the others you monitor. I post the above to proclaim the facts. I have a grievance, been wronged, and request (that's the nice word) that you "take it back right now." Underdog Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-15 19:50 Underdog, You have posted using the following IP's: 1. 12.73.230.152 nslookup 12.73.230.152 Canonical name: 152.houston-16-17rs.tx.dial-access.att.net Provider: AT&T ITS (NET-ATT) 200 Laurel Avenue South Middletown, NJ 07748 US 2. 172.170.85.67 nslookup 172.170.85.67 Canonical name: ACAA5543.ipt.aol.com Provider: America Online, Inc. (NETBLK-AOL-172BLK) 12100 Sunrise Valley Drive Reston, VA 20191 US 3. 216.142.233.105 nslookup 216.142.233.105 Canonical name: proxy.sjc.marketscore.com Providers:Broadwing Communications, Inc. (NET-BROADWING-NET) 1122 Capital of Texas Hwy. Austin, TX 78726-6426 US and: Comscore Networks (NETBLK-BRW-4987-COMSCORENET) 1700 Richards Ave. Santa Clara, CA 95050 US 4. 216.155.96.11 nslookup 216.155.96.11 Canonical name: horus.acceleration.net Provider: Accelerated Data Works, Inc. (NETBLK-ADW-BLK-1) 2831 NW 41st Street, Suite B Gainesville, FL 32606 US Which is contrary to what you said here: "using the same computer on the same ISP (which is AT&T Worldnet)". The evidence in the logs of the board, indicate otherwise. You said: "same real name, same email address given to the sites" Your member data, says you are from clearwater, which as you say now, you are in texas,so there is an inaccuracy there, one way or the other. I will research further into what exactly you signed up under, since you brought it up. But the fact still remains, four different Ip's are associated with Underdog, one of which Freethought^2 uses also, in an exact match, which is contrary to what you are stating today. If you are attempting to assert that "someone else" is posting using your "name" Underdog, is there a reason you never said anything about it? 
I suggest you review the evidence again, and perhaps rethink your position taken, in today's post. Virginia Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-16 07:41 Underdog has stated today: (excerpted) "i am on FZA, FZINT, and joined (but not posted) on FZAO Yahoo group same real name, same email address given to the sites, using the same computer on the same ISP (which is AT&T Worldnet) "yes, i am in texas." --- Hmm, "Underdog" is a real name? Anyways, keeping in mind that basically per Underdog's statements, Underdog is supposed to be a real name, with one IP, and only one handle for that poster? Then let's look more closely at Underdog's actual posts, and the IP's used. Underdog joined this board November 12, 2001 1. Thread:Wins And Successful Actions Wins underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-11-12 13:43 dear noanswer, no TV, do not follow the news of the day - just solo audit. i think it is the winning ticket. underdog User IP: 172.170.85.67 ( ACAA5543.ipt.aol.com ) ------------- 2. Thread: ? Off Topic & Just For Fun Terrorism/Bin Laden (for you Logic 18) underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-11-12 21:47 well, well, let us not forget RJ67 where LRH pinpoints the major bankers as lead SPs on Earth. that the press and psyches are underlings. so here comes Ben Laden right at the largest concentration of bankers available. he could be called a "freedom fighter" from his side of the issue. these bankers are only ones to get Jesus to loose his cool 2000 years ago. they have a lot more tools of suppression at hand. nations war for reasons of trade and money far more than any other, including ideology. the bankers have been quick to respond these last 2 months with more coordination of police, little country banks, gov't intelligence agencies. the gov't just acts without detailed instructions. if these planes went down like TWA 800, PAA 103, or Swissair there would not be calls of "WAR" on the floor of Congress Sept 11. the bankers were really the target more than these other plane crashes. we now have martial law in the USA and the Rights taken today during the declared Nat'l Emergancy will not "sunset" after Ben Laden and other pockets of resistance to the bankers is crushed. i will promise that. sad but true. KSW #1 announced the end of the window of spiritual opportunity, and an age of enslavement. this is not a time to chase butterflys. "...only the tigers survive..." underdog User IP: 216.142.233.105 ( proxy.sjc.marketscore.com ) 3. underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-11-23 11:44 HIDDEN INFLUENCE ??? RJ67 says it is the bankers and 30 years have not shown this wrong. there are "off planet" influences to be sure. However the stable economy, 9 to 5, mortgage payments on time and "beer and football" is their New World Order. the banker's world. just try to play a game too far outside of these controls. try and sail a ship of OTs around the 7 seas, see what happens. have some tech to control people and it will be seized somehow, someway. Oh, Artie Maron and Heber had their day pointing at psyches. wrong target and millions of partishioners hard earned money went down that hole to no gain. perhaps it was this false "who" that broke the Guardians Office and lead to the corruption of the CoS. perhaps the advise to put Scn into a church structure was a bad idea which looked good in 1954. the "fee for service" business of Scn was very un-churchy by 1975 and CoS could not/would not change as GO thought themselves in too many battles and had to hold the positions they had staked out. maybe Bob Thomas was right, we will never know for sure. 20/20 hindsight. BUT the US Gov't (agents for the bankers) have a somewhat workable version of LRH's works and you better bet that it will be used to control the general population with the skill it is used agaist the current CoS parishioners. talk about "worker bees of the New World Order"? you ain't seen nothing yet. the off planet influence like that situation of a totally controled population just fine. ben laden and every other troublesom group will be wiped out soon enough. so.. get busy, audit, blow charge. underdog User IP: 216.155.96.11 ( horus.acceleration.net ) ---------- 4. Thread:Off Topic & Just For Fun Bios underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-11-12 22:11 to the420_OT the stoneing of Flag 1974 is call the "rock party". there are lots of good Sea Org stories. most of the oldtimes left CoS in early 1980s with the rise of DM. the Sea Org (and CoS) have lost their way. LRH's Bridge c. 1979 is about as good as it gets and use Capt Bill's Excal after OT3. Ron's Org practicioner, Marianne, does excellent OT repairs. So if you think you were a "last lifer", and in the Sea Org, i STRONGLY recommend you send some quality auding time with her. underdog User IP: 216.142.233.105 ( proxy.sjc.marketscore.com ) -------------- 5. Thread:Scientology Documents now online at www.scientologyintegrity.org Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-12-13 23:04 Virginia a GREAT SERVICE to all !!! Underdog User IP: 12.73.247.178 ( 178.houston-15-20rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) -------------- 6. Thread: Scientology Body Org Basics underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-12-13 23:18 i have had Body Org auditing. i was a little doubtful about it at first, before i started. let me tell you it is the "real deal". my socks were blown off, lots of TA down. mucho grando cogs about thetan and body relationships. do check this data out. not to bypassed. Underdog User IP: 12.73.247.178 ( 178.houston-15-20rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) ------------------- 7. Thread: Scientology mind control gases used in airconditioning of orgs ? underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-12-14 22:39 i had heard that in Los Vegas NO2 is stored and pumped into the gaming halls. perfectly legal. have seen no evidence of this in any org i have visited however. underdog User IP: 12.73.231.161 ( 161.houston-18-19rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) --------- 8. Thread:Off Topic & Just For Fun David Icke underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-12-20 17:30 this statement about lizard peoples is covered briefly in LRH lecture PDC #43 (side 2). the short version is that spiritual beings have been involved with many lifeform bodies over a great deal of time. lizards are one of these "civilized races". some spirits (now on Earth) as humans had other lifeform bodies in the past, like lizards, for example. these spirits still may dramatize behavior they had while in the earlier lifeform so long ago. social customs could be quite different from humans in North America Earth c. 2000. some of these races of lifeforms still exist somewhere in this Universe in present time. some went the way of the Dodo Bird and are gone as a lifeform. human researchers could locate fragments of past experiance and draw fragmentary conclusions as the these earlier lifeforms, their society (then or now), any influence they might have on today on Earth. certainly such research is of great interest to some inspite of the almost totally subjective nature of the "dare i call it -'data'". i have yet to see one of these lizards on public display. underdog User IP: 12.73.247.80 ( 80.houston-15-20rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) ------------ 9. Thread:Out In The Field where to start underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-12-21 20:05 BOB have you read any books by L. Ron Hubbard? if so which ones? Underdog User IP: 12.73.247.4 ( 4.houston-15-20rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) 10. underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-12-22 17:33 BOB i like Self Analysis. there are actions you can do on yourself. and you should. also the taped lectures starting in order with Human Eval Course 1951 (one set on sale now at www.ebay.com <http://www.ebay.com> search "scientology") if you live near a major city you could take a few courses in the Cof$. (to some FreeZoners i just sinned) i like the Purification Rundown, TRs&Obj, Student Hat, and Pro TRs (with claytable proc). i do not think anyone anywhere will put these skills "in" better than Cof$. if you do not live near a Cof$ Org and can not move, i would look at Handbook for Preclears next. i have 32 years of active (very active) Scn under my belt. the upper Bridge (Advanced Courses) are quite nicely worked out by CBR & Ron's Org. but i would not view any advanced materials for one second for a billion dollars if i were you. i have seen cases bogged almost beyond hope. so be very careful. Underdog User IP: 12.73.230.183 ( 183.houston-16-17rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) 11. underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-12-23 16:00 BOB i have read Peter's post and have no trouble with it. can you get a twin?????? Cof$ is cheaper for beginners if an Org or mission is available to you. and true, not all is well with Cof$ especially the upper Bridge and the subject of money (lean green, mulla, dough, big bucks, etc) i have not read the pilot's but hear good things about it. there is a book "Super Scio" by Pilot which contains upper Bridge information. DO NOT READ ANYTHING UPPER BRIDGE. YOU WILL BE SAD, NOT HAPPY. i have a friend who is a top top OT case cracker (and can crack ANY case) she is approached by low level cases who read upper stuff. they are out of luck. they do not count. NO SERVICE for stupid people. you have been warned twice. keep in touch - Underdog User IP: 12.73.230.152 ( 152.houston-16-17rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) ------------ 12. Thread:? Off Topic & Just For Fun The Pilot....Why...? underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-12-22 17:49 KING Scientology policy: Cof$ should not knowingly process a terminal cancer case. HCOPL Policies on Physical Healing. Scientology is NOT a cure for any disease or physical ailment. if they do attempt it,it is against Scientology policy. not that Cof$ is always "on Scientology policy". or that someone could have started a "horror story" because they have a "twisted mind". Cof$ and Scientology are NOT one and the same. Scientology is for living a better life and spiritual advancement (which is quite subjective). Underdog User IP: 12.73.230.183 ( 183.houston-16-17rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) ------------- 13. Thread:Off Topic & Just For Fun Hmmmm. underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-12-22 17:56 EMILE what oaths ordered by David - COB RTC? did anyone tell you this? i have many friends active in Cof$, in the Sea Org, in Int'l Mgmt Execs, and they have not reported this. so....i am quite interested in an answer to my questions. Underdog User IP: 12.73.230.183 ( 183.houston-16-17rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) ---------- 14. Thread:Off Topic & Just For Fun How about Lord of the Rings underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-12-22 18:04 SOLOMAN Bilbo found the ring first, after it had been lost for a very long time, in an earlier story called "the Hobbit". This story/movie, "the Lord of the Rings", takes place some years later. Underdog User IP: 12.73.230.183 ( 183.houston-16-17rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) -------------- 15. Thread:Off Topic & Just For Fun Reed Slatkin: Church-connected Ponzi scammer? underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2001-12-22 18:14 DAMN RIGHT that money is gone boys and girls. trust Underdog on that one. never, never, ever put your money in another's hands and then turn away and not look. you could have your hard earned $$$ in any respected mutual fund, stock pool, or have your favorite uncle look after it. you keep close track of it and educate yourself on matters financial. so sayz - Underdog User IP: 12.73.230.183 ( 183.houston-16-17rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) ------------ 16. Thread:Data Collection Underdog, to Freethought^2, to Vector...etc IP and NYM crossmatching: additional underdog Joined: Nov 12, 2001 Posts: 16 From: clearwater Posted: 2002-01-15 19:24 dear V sorry you went to all that work. "underdog" is one handle for one poster. i am on FZA, FZINT, and joined (but not posted) on FZAO Yahoo group same real name, same email address given to the sites, using the same computer on the same ISP (which is AT&T Worldnet) yes, i am in texas. i do not think I am out of line here, on this FZA board or the others you monitor. I post the above to proclaim the facts. I have a grievance, been wronged, and request (that's the nice word) that you "take it back right now." Underdog User IP: 12.73.247.135 ( 135.houston-15-20rs.tx.dial-access.att.net ) --------------- As you can see, Underdog used FOUR IP's posting here, not one. Also I might mention the apparent promotion of the services of Marianne, which will come into play later, relating to some posts by Underdog on the FZINT board. Quoting from my earlier post on this thread: "Now I should mention that Ralphie posted on thread: My observations, one day prior, November 4th, that he would provide IP's. Freethought2 posted with the IP 216.142.233.105, starting on November 5th, and was the only nym associated with that IP on the old board." ... Underdog posted in nbr 2 and 4 above, with the 216.142.233.105, on November 12th, not long after the alias Freethought^2 first used that IP. Now, for some further updates: Ed Rhett joined this board November 11, 2001 Tonight, at 18:43:45, Ed Rhett logged in with IP 12.73.231.150 : 150.houston-18-19rs.tx.dial-access.att.net, right in line with all the above ones of Underdog, going through A T and T. After apparently looking around at various things, at 18:58:11 he hits reply to the Underdog to Freethought^2 thread, but no reply is actually posted. Ed apparently disconnects, and then logs back in again at 19:24:23, with IP 12.73.247.135 : 135.houston-15-20rs.tx.dial-access.att.net. Ed Rhett hits reply again to the same thread, but five seconds later at 19:24:28, the post saying it's from Underdog, with the SAME IP, 12.73.247.135 : 135.houston-15-20rs.tx.dial-access.att.net, shows up on the board. And as you see in above post 16. above, they match exactly. So now we have yet another name to add to the bunch. Ed Rhett. Well, I think I better dig into the old forum and see if Ed Rhett has any OTHER IP's he has posted from. Well whaddya know, he does. To be continued... Virginia Author: misiunas Posted: 2002-01-16 10:03 Virginia, that was an excellent post. Clearly and logically presented. I can't wait to see what the future holds. 
Author: underdog Posted: 2002-01-16 15:42 Author: underdog Posted: 2002-01-16 15:52 dear V i have read so many complaints about your posts these last three months from FreeZoners that it is time to say "enough is enough". like it or not V you are in a lower condition to the FreeZone as a whole. i am not the Grand Pooh Bah of FZ and that is not the point. the condition to the group still exists. i stronly suggest you post your formulas here and on FZINT board. otherwise just stay away from us. Underdog Author: virginia Posted: 2002-01-17 06:49 Underdog, Re your response: It comes across to me that you rethought your position, which is good, but then felt the need to get in some more jabs and hoped for landed wrong indications. I suggest you sort out your own lower condition in regards your covert activities, before you post again here. Until then, Virginia |
