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secrets Author: sect9grunt Posted: 2001-12-05 15:20 I for one do not believe in the secret world of levels. I figure at this point in the game the important thing is to get the whole idea of the composite case out to all thetan and let the present time bodies feel a few discomforts in order to give the immortal thetan a chance to survive any future suppression. I welcome your feedback (hopefully constructive and not HE&R). I really do want to be shown valid reasons to think differently if warrented. ARC Grunt 
[ This Message was edited by: sect9grunt on 2001-12-05 15:22 ] Author: Emile Posted: 2001-12-05 22:29 I gave a reply to another writer on this very topic a while ago. You can find it in the Question and Answer file under "OT Levels'". There are very case-advantageous reasons for confidentiality. Things work best that way. Author: virginia Posted: 2001-12-06 01:44 Sect 9 grunt, I responded to you on the other thread, but I thought perhaps I should post it here too, in case you aren't checking that thread. ----start original reply Sect9grunt, You know, at the risk of having you or others misinterpret this (pretty common these days-wink), I actually understand the bit of truth that you, the real you, are looking at in regards to the upper levels, and keeping them under wraps. Even though there wasn't a link at the bottom of your post (not sure why not), I did find your site. I have had, in the case of ROEU, the materials of the upper bridge "used as a lever" to attempt to control me, much like the church. Ie: you can't have it until *I* decide you are ready for it, which of course means one has to be in an acceptable beingness to what that person wants. Compromise your integrity to "gain your bridge", is the subtle fact being pressured to be agreed with there. One of the projects Mike and I have been given is KSW 1, HAVING the correct technology. Well, as you can imagine, that somewhat involves, well, HAVING the correct technology. In other words I look at LOTS of places to see what's what, is it valid, etc, for comparison and evaluation purposes as well as KSW1 point. In your site, there was information that was actually quite helpful to an evaluation or time track rather, that is currently in progress. Particularly the things from Lawrence West and Marianne Hagen. Some of the materials listed on there were sent to me a LONG time ago, before I even knew of RO, but I had not seen the above mentioned until a day or so ago. So...let's just say with LRH on our lines, and people such as yourself inadvertently assisting the KSW1 project as well as ongoing data series application, sites such as yours, are not ALWAYS entirely 100 percent, "a bad thing". And data being available such as this from a while back, certainly removed any lever anyone wanted to try and hold over me. With LRH in comm with Mike (as per the website), there is not much worry (other than general price of freedom), over not being able to determine what is altered, twisted, valid, omitted etc, But of course, you can't evaluate a datum if you don't HAVE it. So, in a wierd way, you have assisted in KSW1. Now, this does NOT mean that this isn't a bit of a double-edged sword, ie: it is definitely a problem people viewing upper level materials who have their ethics out, and can't apply the data series and REASON properly. That is more THAT thetans responsibility than anything, but then again, they wouldn't be viewing it if it wasn't for people like you. So it is a shared responsibility for actions. Trying to NOW "stop" this activity such as yours, is a bit like closing the barn door after the horse has already left. Much like what the church does. It is more important now, to confront that this is the way it is. The data is out there, and people will look. Perhaps you might take the time to put some sort of r-factor on your website, letting thetans know that if they roam around in upper level materials (whether VALID OR NOT), and their ethics are out as to knowing who they REALLY are, and if are not hatted on spotting outpoints and REASONING correctly, that they will come to wrong conclusions, and execute wrong actions, and maybe even cave theirselves in because of it. Because they are basically good, a thetan is MUCH harsher on exacting punishment for overts than ANYONE could EVER do. They will kill abilities, go out the bottom, all kinds of things in an attempt to stop themselves from committing overts. I have not had any harmful effects, other than noticing when reading something sets off some charge somewhere, (which I keep differentiated as to who I really am), but that is because my ethics are in, and I allow no case on my post, KSW1. It is the same idea that protected me from the reverse auditing at flag, that's how powerful in-ethics is. But when ethics is out, anything is possible, and these guys that read stuff in that state should know that. LRH in the pdc tapes DOES talk about that it's not good to hoard hide or control data, especially powerful truths, and that is true. But thetans need to learn to be responsible that READING those truths, if they are truths, WILL land and "read" in their case, and if they a=a consistenly with their case, well off they go. To even a state such as Vast mentioned. Anyway, Don't think I don't know what YOUR out-ethics is sect9grunt, but I know that mixed with all that bad intention coming from your case, is a bit of a good intention. I thought it should be acknowledged, and some air maybe cleared on this whole subject. Virginia ---end original reply
Virginia Author: sect9grunt Posted: 2001-12-06 12:42 Thank you Virginia. I appreciate that input. I got a twing of what you meant and it felt clean. I'm adding an r-factor to my site. Grunt |
