Dave Mayo
Author: Chris
Posted: Sun Dec 24 2000 11:55 am
I noticed a place called the Church of New Enlightenment on the internet (I'm pretty sure that's what it was). Supposedly this was Dave Mayo's breakaway group. I sent an e-mail to someone and I never got a response. Does anyone know anything about this Church?
Chris
Author: Hakita
Posted: Sun Dec 24 2000 08:48 pm
I was wondering kind of the same thing...I just finished reading "A Piece of Blue Sky," which discusses Dave Mayo's...experiences...with the formal Church. He sounds like a very dedicated, knowledgable individual...is there any way to get into communication with him?
Author: Chris
Posted: Mon Dec 25 2000 12:38 am
I read that book and the group that he had formed at the time is different than the group he now has. The first one went out of business because of CO$ interference and the next one that I know of is the Church of New Enlightenment. I seemingly found that group on the internet and there was an e-mail address there (Davemayo@lightlink.com I believe) and I didn't get a response. Maybe they closed down.
Author: blork
Posted: Mon Dec 25 2000 01:27 pm
Yea,
I get the impression that 'ol dave mayo either
sold out or just gave up. I heard somewhere (probably from an OSA terminal, if I recall
correctly) that he ran off the with cash and
left his supporters holding the bag.
He must have had a tough row to hoe with
the Scientology "fuck-you-if-you-dont-do-it-our-way" machine after him.
Still, folks like him who are still alive and were instramental in the early development might still be considered to have some type of responsiblity to tell all.
Author: mike
Posted: Mon Dec 25 2000 05:09 pm
For David's account of some of these events go to:
http://www.freezone.org/reports/e_mayo02.htm
You can also follow the "continue" link at the bottom for more.
Mike
Author: Journeyman
Posted: Wed Jul 11 2001 05:24 pm
For another interesting take on this, here is a little fable. Once upon a time, a very proficient C/S left his Ivory Tower and attempted to handle a crisis in his area with the tech he was so famous for being a master of. Criminals in the area booted the C/S from their group, and he formed a new one, financed by a wealthy psychiatrist and auditor. The criminals infiltrated this group, however, and the C/S decided they would probably hound him with their every waking thought as long as he remained visible. And so he disappeared, writing up the subject he knew so well in a way that could not be controlled by the criminals. He gave that work to his friend, the psychiatrist and auditor, who worked with a group of others in the Holy Land, California, until it was developed and presentable in its own right. Then the C/S went sailing, and wind-surfing, and managed to mostly escape the evil criminals on his tail, while the subject he liberated remains free to this day, in the hands of his friend and supporter.
Of course, this is just a fairy tale. Isn't it?
kgb
Author: generalsherman
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 12:39 am
Re : David Mayo
Would it be an accurate statement to say he attempted to completely remove/cancel ethics technology from Scientology. I've read data basically claiming this was the case and that the solution to out-ethics was just to get the person moving on his/her next auditing level. I ask this because in the current Maiden Voyage series of events there is a similar (but DIFFERENT) line where the emphasis is definitely on getting the pc onto his next level if he's dramatising aberrations. Ethics is definitely still in force but the leaning is towards handling the case with auditing whereever possible. If anyone can clarify exactly what D. Mayo's idea was for me that would be helpful.
Additionally what was the thought behind moving the Pro TR's course to after the Class IV internship on the training lineup(as stated on one of the TR's Remodernized reissues). I can possibly see some reason for placing it right before the internship as someone who wanted to become a professional Auditor would achieve pro standard TR's & then go on and do the internship to become a full professional. I'm not sure but I possibly read this slightly different placement on an SO ED on D. Mayo. This would tend to shorten the runway a bit for those that just wanted to co-audit their way up the Bridge and not necessarily go on to be a professional Auditor. Considering that the Grades and N.E.D. CAN be co-audited on a read-it, drill-it, do-it basis (by staff at least)presumably with co-audit standard TR's and Pro TR's does tend to be a bit of a bottleneck in Academies, I do see possible benefit with this placement. But I don't understand the intention to place Pro TR's after the internship.
If anyone can clear this up for me or direct me to the answers that would be much appreciated.
Oh yeh, I'm also looking for a tank.
Author: pj
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 05:24 am
>>>>I ask this because in the current Maiden Voyage series of events there is a similar (but DIFFERENT) line where the emphasis is definitely on getting the pc onto his next level if he's dramatising aberrations. >>>>
David Mayo was definitely a techy so it stands to reason that he did everything possible to get the admin fanatics to back off and stop keying in the staff with false ethics conditions..
What data did you get that the cos is taking this new line of approach now and is actually being carefull towards staff in the way ?
They must be really running out of people, to take this critical look at themselves this way..
-pj-
Author: Tonto
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 06:27 am
Dave said that he received a 22 page document from ROn, at a crucial time(when Ron was off lines, and info was being relayed on a few exclusive lines). Dave SUMMARIZED)this document as "he gave me the tech hat".
If the document was lost, why not say so. But I have asked ROn's org, and I asked on Alt Religion Scientology and I asked here repeatedly, and asked terminals who support Mayo's claim. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DOCUMENT? NO ANSWER. WHY?
How can you summarize 22 pages. IF THE DOCUMENT EXISTS, SAY SO. If it was lost, say so. IF IT'S CONFIDENTIAL, SAY SO. Otherwise, what you have is a classic example of OMMITTED DATA.
Whatever happened to the document, it was a HUUUUUUGE LOSS. For all we know, Ron could have entrusted Dave with some other responsiblities, which he summarized into "tech hat".
No matter what position a person takes regarding the above document, the above question "what happened to the document is one that is guarenteed to result in silence.
Author: Journeyman
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 11:11 am
The reason for the silence is not known, fully. I have some information that Mayo left public life in order to avoid being put in prison every time a CofS op to paint him as a terrorist or criminal caught up with him.
As far as the ethics thing goes, in his new formulation of the tech, the ethics information is called success level, and the "lower conditions" are NOT present. Between emergency and normal, a new condition is inserted, called "drudgery". This is where a person doesn't feel he's making progress, and doesn't feel he's losing ground. General formulas are presented for these conditions. The attention is not on external presentation of the persons condition to him, but is instead offered as a framework a person can use should HE decide it would be helpful. The hype on heavy ethics in the Church is part of the "hard sell and salvation" myth that the CofS uses to artificially raise "necessity level", in order to dominate their environment and make more money. It is not retained in the new formulation.
As to the note, I have NO DATA to offer. There is a lot of opinion, but I have not seen any presentation of fact which was convincing. It is an issue only to those who think that LRH was the only person who could make a determination on who was qualified to carry on the tech research.
kgb
Author: Injun
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 05:18 pm
Which includes quite a few OTs.
Author: generalsherman
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 06:01 pm
pj, the event is the second in the series of Maiden Voyage events. To try 'n sum up what was relayed, the intention is to limit ethics to only what's stopping the pc going up the Bridge. There seems to be a lot less emphasis on sec checks for OT eligibilty and more on getting the pc moving. Ethics handlings are not to be used to Q&A off the current (or next) auditing level.The emphasis is on DOING the Grade Chart. The OT VII 6 month sec check line has been greatly streamlined with some reviews only a matter of a couple hours in the chair. I'm not sure what you mean about being careful towards staff in the way.
I'm not sure what to make of the new D.Mayo ethics tech but thanks for the data.
Author: generalsherman
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 06:02 pm
P.S. I hope the above keeps you accurately informed about Scientology.
Author: Injun
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 06:47 pm
Hey, you know what's going on? Hold on a minute...What happened to the document? I don't need an exact answer, I mean is it confidential???
Author: Journeyman
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 07:11 pm
Injun, I have no data on this. Only rumour. Some rumours say that Mayo made up having the note, when he founded his AACs. Some rumours say he had the note, but in order to force the Church to leave him alone when he was helping Gerbode formulate the Metapsychology material, he gave it to them in a settlement designed to procure freedom from Church harassment in a new, safe space. Another rumour is that he had it, but OSA op's infiltrated his AACs, and stole it, as well as menacing all of his pcs by obtaining their mailing lists and warning them they would "lose their eternity".
BTW, my point of view on the transfer of the tech hat is straightforward. Any person who had mastered all of the extant LRH tech, and had demonstrated an ability to come up with refinements, or wholly new areas of tech, is competent to take the hat. Mayo certainly was qualified by that standard (his NOTS development was termed a "work-for-hire" in his suit with the Church, and so he was not deemed to own NOTS, but he was the one who researched it and developed it, and it is part of the CofS standard line-up, now). There have been others, such as Alan Walters (knowledgism), but there are not very many who had been Senior C/S INT as well as Ron's personal auditor. Miscavige and the Broekers cut Mayo off from Hubbard, and literally ran him out of the Church (running around the pole!) because they saw him as a threat to their control over the Church. I'm inclined to believe Mayo's tale, but I would sure appreciate a straight answer from him!
kgb
Author: wolfgang
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 09:24 pm
having done some services at a time (beginning eighties) when Mayo was still top-notch, I remember that the then bridge began with a) purif; b) a TRs (hardish) and Objectives co-audit course called the Survival Rundown (with an injun depicted on the pack); c) the Happiness Rundown (first version) which could actually be called a low-gradient ethics action;
then came Dianetics and the lower grades.
perhaps ethics were light because the stats were high.
wolfgang
Author: Journeyman
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 09:31 pm
In my little mythological mock-up, Mayo is the hero. I've commed with a few people who knew him, and they say he was really good to talk to, very empathic, a master of the tech, and balls to the walls on confronting out-points. This is probably why Miscavige had to put his head on a pike when he was making his play for the power post.
kgb
Author: Rich
Posted: Tues Jul 17 2001 10:57 am
I have received two messages from David Mayo, one in a reply to a question I asked him, (I asked how he was doing). His response was something to the effect that he was doing very well.
The other message was an offer to receive services, not really directed at me personally.
The first message is about 1.5 years old and the offer of services about 1 year old.
So he is out there auditing still.
Author: Journeyman
Posted: Tues Jul 17 2001 12:15 pm
I am glad to hear it. I wonder if what he is doing is Metapsychology (I would bet it is). I will try writing to him again, and see if I get a response.
kgb
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