Attn FZA - Notice of Intent
Author: misiunas
Posted: Tues Oct 30 2001 06:26 pm
This post is going to be short and to the point. If that arcx anyone at this point I really don't care.
I've come to learn a few things that have disturbed me greatly about fza.org. Out of this disturbing data there are two items that are totally unacceptable to me:
1) fza.org has once again become neglected.
2) the fza.org forum has become overwhelmed with alter purposes.
The purposes being brought into play have now become obvious to me as well as the circumstances that brought about my initial decision to relinquish control of fza several years ago.
I intend and will resume full control of fza.org.
I believe in open communication. If someone has originations regarding the above do it here. Otherwise your communication will be ignored. I'll not Q&A.
Fza.org is moving servers shortly. You can expect more changes.
To those who are loyal to the principals and purposes of Scientology carry on.
It's a new day.
Paul Misiunas
Author: Virginia
Posted: Tues Oct 30 2001 07:01 pm
Paul said:
I believe in open communication.
I say:
That is wonderful, and I am glad you are resuming full control!
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Tues Oct 30 2001 07:15 pm
To those who are loyal to the principals and purposes of Scientology, carry on.
It's a new day.
Paul also said above:
Mike and I will carry on, and you are right, it's a new day!.
Virginia
Author: Murray Luther
Posted: Tues Oct 30 2001 07:24 pm
Thumbs up. This forum seems to have deteriorated due to the spiritual burnouts, malcontents, and assorted flotsam who wander the fringes of reality. (Hey, you know who you are.)Their petty squabbles, pointless rants, and random musings get old in a hurry. Here's to more honest and intelligent discussions that do something other than waste our time.
Author: Mike and Virginia McClaughry
Posted: Tues Oct 30 2001 10:23 pm
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Dear Paul,
The poster with the nym of "Tom" aka Barry Landis, is FORGING posts today as being from Virginia McClaughry, who is the only person in recent times on this board, of this site owned by you, posting as author: Virginia.
Another prior example of forgery is a thread entitled "Virginia's very own thread" (wording may not be exact on that). We believe that these forgeries are all done by the same person.
The prior example of forgery was brought to Mike Hunsaker's attention, with no action on his part. From what I understand, that lack of action on his part after he had been notified, makes him a co-conspirator in this crime.
Today's forged posts are as follows:
Virginia
Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 05:47 pm
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Yoo hoo. Tom didn't know who he was messing with. Looks like Let this be a lesson. Mess with the "Queen" and I will "return the motion" and I use some "PR" of my own handle what needs to be handled. I know how to play the game, eh Tom. With the info that I have on the FZA, it's about time that you realize who is the queen. I am joking of course, but in fact I was a queen for 8,000,000 years, on earth no less, and it wasn't until my latest research that I realized that I need to take responsibility for my title before things get out of hand, which they have since I handed over my post to Tom in his previous incarnation. Tom's latest ploy has been psychic attacks which I handled with a letter to the feds. What happend to Tom can happen to any of you, so bewarned LOL. Psychic attacks Tom, come on. The Feds don't understand psychic attacks so I used some words that they would understand and which would register very well thank you. Situation handled nonetheless. I just got off the phone with Roy. In addition to being a draft dodger, Tom has been in and out of the prison system for his work with a black supremisist group called the Neomagus in the early 60s. Well done Roy. Since Roy's typing is weak, I will be recording a phone conversation and posting it under another thread in a next few weeks.
In summary, Tom's black PR got him in deep and I returned the motion with some PR of my own. It can happen to any of you, so don't mess with the Queen. ROTFWL
Later friends
Tom
Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 05:52 pm
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Concise-Brief, to the point
Virginia
Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 05:53 pm
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What do you mean by point Tom????Hhh. Do you mean that you want to stab me with the point of god knows what? Or being a Christian, you probably want to stab me with an image of Christ. Where you at Tom????
What do you mean brief. Sounds like a bullet.
You're calling me psycho??????
Tom runs with tail between legs, LOL.
Virginia
Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 05:54 pm
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Virginia
What do you mean by "point" Tom????Hhh. Do you mean that you want to stab me with the point of god knows what? Or being a Christian, you probably want to stab me with an image of Christ. Where you at Tom????
What do you mean brief. Sounds like a bullet.
You're calling me psycho??????
Tom runs with tail between legs, LOL.
Roy
Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 05:58 pm
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CAN I SAY SOMETHING. I KNOW YOU WILL THINK THAT I'M CRAZY BUT I SAW RANDY WHOIS TIM MAKE A BOOK FLY WHILE WE WAS ALL WATHING IN WHERE I WAS AND THERE WAS 10 OF US AND WE ALL SAW IT.
Virginia
Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 06:02 pm
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Revenge is sweet.
The above concludes todays forgeries.
Any of the above posts that are being impersonated as Virginia, as in Virginia McClaughry, ARE NOT.
Not only is this forgery, but it is false impersonation with the intention to discredit Virginia, which also amounts to libel. As far as we are concerned, crimes are now being committed involving this board.
What is your position on allowing people to forge false communications from others, and post them on your board?
Our current attitude towards yourself and your board is friendly. We presume that you are unaware of what this person has been doing on your board and would not have condoned it if you did know about it. Thus, we are not including you in these allegations at this time. However, Mike Hunsaker is included because we notified him previously and he took no action to put a stop to it.
Thus as our last resort, we are appealing to you as the owner of the board, to rectify this situation. Should this situation not be rectified in a timely manner, we will begin to investigate our legal options.
Lastly, allow us to take this opportunity to thank you for this forum, which we generally enjoy.
Sincerely,
Mike and Virginia McClaughry
Author: joman
Posted: Tues Oct 30 2001 11:26 pm
Mike H?
Author: Bud
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 12:13 am
I just counted up the posts by "Virginia" on the "last day"
posts list and there were no less than forty four. How
many of them were fake, Virginia? I usually didn't read
the posts by "Virginia" because they seemed to be mainly
squabbling about things that didn't interest me. I don't
like to criticise but the ones I have read gave me the
impression, rightly or wrongly, that "Virginia" seemed
rather vindictive. Is that correct? Would that explain why
you also seem to be threatening Paul Misiunas by holding a
threat of possible libel over his head, saying "Our
current attitude towards yourself and your board is
friendly. We presume that you are unaware of what this
person has been doing on your board and would not have
condoned it if you did know about it. Thus, we are not
including you in these allegations at this time."? And
what's the business about "your board"? "Virginia" and
acquaintances seem to have taken over the board and made
it "their board".
Does anyone want to get this discussion board shut down?
Author: Virginia
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 01:11 am
Paul,
It appears that the post above by "Bud" is another one either done by, or forged by "tom" aka Barry aka Randy.
I suggest you check into the poster of the above post, as well.
Thank you,
Virginia
Author: misiunas
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 01:53 am
Mike and Virginia McClaughry:
Greetings.
I understand your concerns and am glad that you came forward to bring this to my attention.
You asked the question: "What is your position on allowing people to forge false communications from others, and post them on your board?"
My position is that they will be banned from posting and the forged posts removed.
Please understand that until the relocation of the fza.org host server is completed, there are certain limitations which must be taken into consideration, as I am sure you can understand. No forum changes should be considered finalized until that point.
In regard to the forged posts you listed, these have been removed and the poster's IP banned from posting. As you surmised, even though the poster's names were different, they were all made by the same person.
The offending forged post has also been removed from "Virginia's Very Own Thread" and the poster's IP banned.
Additionally, as a result of researching these forgeries, a number of other questionable points came to light. There seems to be a few individuals on this forum that use an excessive amount of names to post with, some of who are also involved in the forging of other poster's names. This extends beyond the forgeries brought to my attention. Be assured that these issues will also be addressed.
As you can see, it is my intention to create a forum where the goals and principals of Scientology can be realized without the current distraction being a part of it. Once again, I must remind you and all other posters, that the forum may experience various effects of being moved to a new server. I expect that this move will be completed rather quickly.
The forum is a great way to exchange communication with others of similar interests and it appears that there only a very few who feel the need to take that opportunity away. These few will be weeded out.
If you, or anyone else have further issues, please post them to the forum so that we can all be apprised of what is going on.
Perhaps your general enjoyment of this forum will increase once the current issues are resolved. I trust that it will.
Paul Misiunas
Author: misiunas
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 02:05 am
Hi Virginia,
It doesn't appear that Bud is associated with Tom or any aliases. I'll be straightening that rat's nest out later.
Bud,
Thanks for the concern. The McClaughry's were direct in their approach at a resolution. That is fine. It IS my responsibility now.
Don't worry about the forum being shut down. It won't be.
Night all.
Paul Misiunas
Author: Kheinsa
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 02:39 am
Paul I sent you e-mail.
I am kind of new in this neck of the woods of the freezone.
I want the tech as it is suppose to be.
I am tired of stuff that shouldn't be.
Best Wishes
Author: Virginia and Mike McClaughry
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 04:01 am
Dear Paul,
Thank you very much for your prompt response, as well as the clarification of your position.
We are appreciative of, and have verified that the forged posts have been removed.
We understand that you have banned the IP's in question, but we have been unable to verify this on the list of banned IP's. (front page of discussion board).
You stated: As you surmised, even though the poster's names were different, they were all made by the same person.
In response:
Thank you for verifying this. This particular person has been running a black intelligence operation to try and position us as "terrorists". In today's volatile environment, you can imagine the damage this black intelligence operation was meant to cause.
So I'm sure you understand why we would want to verify ourselves that the IP in question, is banned from this forum.
You stated: The offending forged post has also been removed from "Virginia's Very Own Thread" and the poster's IP banned.
In response:
We should alert you that the poster of today's forgeries, has privately emailed us, for about year, from multiple email accounts, and different IP's.
So it is entirely possible, that the IP banned for forging a post from "Virginia's Very Own Thread", is still the same person, but posting from a different IP.
You stated:
Additionally, as a result of researching these forgeries, a number of other questionable points came to light. There seems to be a few individuals on this forum that use an excessive amount of names to post with, some of who are also involved in the forging of other poster's names. This extends beyond the forgeries brought to my attention. Be assured that these issues will also be addressed.
In response:
We are impressed that you have taken the time to research this further, and have quite a bit of information of our own, that we could perhaps assist you in. We can provide you with all the IP's of the poster of today's forgeries, that we have records of from private emails.
Do let us know, if this would be of assistance to you.
When the current issues are fully resolved and verified as such, we feel confident that we will indeed have an increasing general enjoyment of the forum. Things are looking up already, just since you have arrived and have begun to put some order into the disorder.
In closing, we would like to say that your handling was very theta.
Sincerely,
Virginia and Mike McClaughry
Author: Virginia
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 04:04 am
Paul,
Re: Bud. I understand, perhaps on closer inspection it may become more clear at that time, due to that the poster of today's forgeries, has multiple IP's that they can post from. It is the character and way that the post by Bud is expressed that gives me the distinct impression that this is somehow related to today's activities.
Thanks again,
Virginia
Author: anon
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 04:44 am
I think that was a cute idea of Tom to take the handle of Virginia, the fun of it is, it's hard to tell the copy from the real thing, she's such a bragging goody goody know it all, it's no wonder some of us get a lil' fed up with this magalomaniac..And she uses reverse processing on her critics something not many realize so a bit of underground tactics against Virginia are waranted in my view, eventhough the WM might disagree. But does he have time to sort all this out. Think he's got better things to with his time, too bad Virginia. So Virginia, stop your wining and get a life already. Or start your own mailing list then you can kick off anyone who doesn't kiss your butt all day long..See ya wouldn't wanna be ya..
Author: oneotxv
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 05:35 am
Hello Paul:
Welcome back.
Tommy Thompson
Author: Virginia
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 06:06 am
--------->Paul,
This multiple nym and IP personal attacks are getting a bit out of hand, it smells like the "few" you mention.
First PJ, then John, then John goes away, then "freethought2" comes in, then Freethought2 goes away, then the Tom/Barry/Roy/REDfred etc etc nym bit. Plus the poster known as "Tom" has a predilection towards setting up nyms that "talk" to each other with difference valences for, against, undecided, you name it.
This is an obvious attempt to put the board into turmoil, and funnily enough, I seem to be most of these nyms primary target.
Freethought2 has posted pc folder data, while trying to call it "flirting", posting priest penitent priveleged data is actionable, in addition has engaged in Libel (particularly in the thread "I saw this about a psych drug") where Freethought2 accuses me of being the "source of the RUMOR" about LRH, which even when disproven, still continued to spread this particular libel.
Freethought2 also has the same predilection for theatrics in reference to their being labelled an agent, funnily enough, almost word for word as some of "Tom's" reactions.
Similar to "Bud's" quasi-attacks as well.
Also see response Below to Anon, who also approved of Tom's forgeries and engaged in some personal attacks as well.
Perhaps you may find some relationship in all this, I look forward to hearing back in that case.
Virginia
------------>Anon,
Hi Tom aka Barry aka Randy.
Still up to your old tricks I see.
I noticed Freethought2 was resurrected in a very similar attack style to yours.
Virginia
Author: Kheinsa
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 12:56 pm
"I saw this about a psych drug") where Freethought2 accuses me of being the "source of the RUMOR" about LRH, which even when disproven, still continued to spread this particular libel.
I started this thread as I was searching for my truth. I found it on the net and of course it had nothing to do with Virgina.
The result of these statements make a person who is new to leaving the church and finding the truth to doubt mosts of what is true.
I think Virgina is a powerful being who commands a lot of attention to those of us who are finding the truth out. Discredit her and then you confuse other's who are looking for truth.
I am one who don't like to argue a lot but I will when it is for something that is right.
I did post under one other name and that is to protect me. I wanted the changed tech to be known. I found Rudy is right it is all over the net and it don't need me to add to what is already written. I rather be me.
Kheinsa means counsler in Romulan (Star Trek) I am going to train to be an auditor.
Virgina's story is close to my story. It is the story I read first. I had a lot of agreement with it. I could see how it went for her. She went farther than I did. I was deadfiled before then.
I am not going back to the church now. I am not going out to reform things right now. I need to take care of me now.
I am glad you are here. Right now the people in favor of standard tech is the about only contact I have people who like the tech now. I rather have less entrub here.
I think maybe a person can post under a name but log in only under that name. I understand about different ISP and I don't know what the solution to that is. If someone is watching for it then it may be helpful.
So welcome. I have been cosidering not posting much here anymore. I want to keep track of how things are getting better in the church and I want to learn. I want to keep contact with my new friends here.
I just want what is right.
Khiensa
Author: Worsel
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 02:14 pm
.
A bit of a change of subject here. How does one access the FZA archives to search for things? I've seen it mentioned on this board, but have no idea how to do it.
Thanks.
.
Author: Church-ie
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 02:33 pm
http://fza.org/cgi-bin/forum/board-search.cgi
to search use this link
Author: Virginia and Mike McClaughry
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 05:22 pm
---------------->Paul,
Thank you for posting all the information you have found so far on abusive posters, it is really helping to reveal "the picture", as you put it.
I have a question on a couple of them, (particularly the forgeries)
1. Was Freethought2's IP that you listed the same one that forged all those posts as "Virginia" that we initially contacted you about?
We ask, because we intend to pursue these forgeries, as well as the use of pc folder data.
Also, we were wondering if you have, or intend to, investigate the nyms "John", "God of the Freezone", Church-ie, Churchie, No answer, PJ, Citizen Cain, anon, Bud, logic18, punkfloyd,Spoken up, as well?
As the abusive poster(s) seem to like to use "pro" as well as "con" and "undecided" type valences and nyms as well.
We will be posting for you on this thread, the IP data that we have on the poster "Tom" aka "barrylandis@pennswoods.net" who sent us an abusive,threatening, and setup email, as well as IP data on any other of his nyms that he has emailed us under.
We will also be posting the IP of the poster known as "Pinolero" and his/her abusive setup type email.
In addition, there is one other person who sent an odd setup type email, that information will also be posted on.
We will be pursuing our options, reporting to the appropriate authorities, the actions of the above three set up type emails, as well.
"Pinolero" is tied directly into FZAO, so perhaps those posters should be cross-referenced as well.
Such as Basic-basic, Tigerlily,Tigerdisgusted, OTXV,Tommy Thompson, etc.
In closing, we would like to add, that we admire your integrity in handling this matter.
Sincerely,
Virginia and Mike McClaughry
Author: Church-ie
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 07:11 pm
Paul, I too appreciate you cleaning up the board as it has been getting pretty rough to sort it all out here lately.
Since I have been accused I thought I should speak up.
I have not used multiple identities except that
1. I changed my name from Churchie to Church-ie (and announced the change publicly at the time) and
2. I think one time I posted something with a name like "just curious", "I was wondering" or something like that on one post long ago.
I do not think that makes me an abusive poster.
I do post from multiple IP addresses but that is because I connect from different places (work, home Etc)
I remember long ago you or whoever was running the board at the time talked of posting the IP addresses of all posters to the site. At the time a warning was given and I stopped posting until that situation ended. I think the reasons are understandable since I am in the church and want to avoid unnecessary conflict on my lines. I hope that if you do consider such an action in the future you will again give some warning. I know you are trying to sort out the mess and you want to get it right. I just ask that you specifically do not give out my IP as I have been posting here with the understanding of anonymity, and I have been straight with my comm.
If there is some other reason you think I should not be here, let me know. I will leave if not welcome.
This is probably all a non issue and I am sorry to waste your time on this but getting accused got a little restimulative as I have been through that inside the church and I thought I had better make myself known to you to avoid any accidental exposure of my IP address(es).
Thank's,
Church-ie
Author: Mike and Virginia McClaughry
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 08:09 pm
Paul,
If there is any link whatsoever between church-ie and the other abusive posters we have been discussing, we want to know about it.
Thanks,
Mike and Virginia McClaughry
Author: misiunas
Posted: Wed Oct 31 2001 10:12 pm
Dear Mike and Virginia McClaughry,
I've removed the most flagrant abusers of this site. My most immediate concern now is to get this site moved to it's new home. This *must* be done next, there are no two ways about it. If you can hold off on your end for just a tad to allow the move to finish, I'd very much appreciate it.
I'm glad you guys are around. :-)
>>If there is any link whatsoever between church-ie and the other abusive posters
>>we have been discussing, we want to know about it.
There is no link between churchie and those abusers who I have banned from posting.
Church-ie,
>>If there is some other reason you think I should not be here, let me know. I will
>>leave if not welcome.
Your IP will not be given out and you are welcome to remain.
>>This is probably all a non issue and I am sorry to waste your time ...
Did I tell you that I like open communcation? Well, it's true. :-)
Paul
Author: LOGIC18
Posted: Thur Nov 01 2001 12:43 am
Mike and Virginia wrote:
"Also, we were wondering if you have, or intend to, investigate the nyms "John", "God of the Freezone", Church-ie, Churchie, No answer, PJ, Citizen Cain, anon, Bud, logic18, punkfloyd,Spoken up, as "
Just some testimony for some of these innocent folks, "John" has long been a poster here, Churchie publicly states his positions and intentions all the time, CitizenCain is the owner of this forum, the same person that you are complaining to, LOGIC18 is the same logic18 thats always been posting here , who also was "CONFRONT23". I am thoroughly convinced that none of these posters have caused any trouble here and are not agents of any kind. "Anon" has probably been used by many people many different times. I respecfully disagree with any suggestion that they should be reprimanded. For such implications or not based on true concern for troublemakers, but rather this is just a list of dissenters to the complaintants group. Not bad people, they just disagree with Mike and Virginias group sometimes.
One exception though "John" occasionally does get a little wild every now and then, but not bad enough to warrent any type of reprimand, in my opinion.
I think we all should differentiate between the actual enturbulators here and the people who just disagree. I am good guy, I just have a different view, and so I speak my opinion, thats not a crime.
LOGIC18
Author: Church-ie
Posted: Thur Nov 01 2001 01:17 am
Thank you Paul for clearing up my non-association with those abusers and also for your assurances! : )
And "here here!" logic18
Author: LOGIC18
Posted: Thur Nov 01 2001 01:21 am
Thanks Churchie, thats the first time I think you ever agreed with me! Now then, about that Church....
LOGIC18
Author: Church-ie
Posted: Thur Nov 01 2001 02:03 am
Was it? Well I guess the first time I agreed so whole heartedly. But we have had points of agreement in the past. I do appreciate you efforts to document altered tech for example.
Author: Mike and Virginia McClaughry
Posted: Thur Nov 01 2001 03:21 am
Dear Paul,
You said:
I've removed the most flagrant abusers of this site. My most immediate concern now is to get this site moved to it's new home. This *must* be done next, there are no two ways about it. If you can hold off on your end for just a tad to allow the move to finish, I'd very much appreciate it.
I'm glad you guys are around. :-)
In regards to our question we asked re Freethought2, as well as the investigation of the nyms "John", "God of the Freezone", Church-ie, Churchie, No answer, PJ, anon, Bud, logic18, punkfloyd,Spoken up, we are willing to wait, just a tad.
We thought we should mention, "Tom" was a poster when we first came to this board, which was in 1999, so although he has been a long time poster, this obviously was no index of his intention. In fact, he was one of the first people to respond to postings of ours, funnily enough.
We are glad to be here too! Thank you for providing a forum for communication re: Scientology standard tech. We feel confident that if in the future Mike and I find agent provacateurs interrupting or attacking our communications on this subject (whether overt or covert)? Justice will prevail.
Sincerely,
Mike and Virginia McClaughry
Author: misiunas
Posted: Thur Nov 01 2001 11:23 am
Dear Mike and Virginia McClaughry,
>>...we are willing to wait, just a tad.
Ok, thank you for your patience. I don't expect that a long delay will be acceptable to you and will therefore strive to resolve this issue as quickly as possible.
>>We thought we should mention, "Tom"...
This guy seems to have his finger in a lot of pies. Please feel free to continue to post whatever information you think appropriate.
>>Justice will prevail.
It always does.
:-)
Paul
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Nov 02 2001 05:23 am
Paul,
This was forwarded to me privately by a friend, and I thought you should see what Logic18 is up to. Trying to rally the other agents, IMO, as if that is going to HELP anything.
Also notice how he classifies what has been going on here, forgery, libel, entrapment, and illegal use of confidential personal data (pc folders), as 'hype".
Do you see any "hype"? Nah, me neither, just hard, cold facts.
And the world will see the "picture" it paints, soon enough.
:-)
Virginia
EXCERPT, not full post as is pretty much duplicate of the usual drivel and illogic he posted here already.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Levi Murphy"
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 6:09 AM
Subject: Using "AGENTS" as a catch-all phrase
> In this post I speak my mind about some people who just calling
> everyone "agents" who disagree. The FZA Board, now under a lot of
> hype, is what convinced me to do this write-up. Virginia calls me an
> "agent" just because I disagree.
>
P.S to paul, from Virginia
-yea, that's *why* LOL, JUST because he disagrees. No conspiracies, I know nuth-ing, I know nuth-ing!
Author: misiunas
Posted: Fri Nov 02 2001 06:13 pm
Whenever I stick my head in the sand, I get some sand in my eyes. When that happens, I can't LOOK.
Some people get a kick out of blaming others, but I get a kick when those pieces of sand come out of my eyes. And when they do, I get to SEE.
Oh, don't mind me, I'm just 'speaking my mind'.
:-)
Author: yotomigo
Posted: Fri Nov 02 2001 06:52 pm
Paul would you send me the complete IP address and poster logs from the site so I can stick my nose where it doesn't belong? I can put it in a database and run some queries on it and create some reports for everyone to see, who posts what when from where and how often. Then maybe we can set up an online voting system and we can all kick each other off the board go sit on lone islands and talk to ourselves, so we'll never get any more disagreement. Yea!!!!!
Author: LOGIC18
Posted: Fri Nov 02 2001 09:29 pm
LOL yotomingo!
LOGIC18
Author: 1 Flew Over
Posted: Fri Nov 02 2001 09:35 pm
I have just got back on line after a while and this seems like some kind of witch hunt out of the McArthie era. Is everyone who has ever disagreed with Virginia now under attack? This is an open forum for discussion of issues relating to clearing tech. It is, as far as I know, not a personal vendetta against disagreements. I attacked John after he repeatedly verbally attacked many others on the board. I see Mike and Virginia trying to get everyone thrown off who might disagree with Virginias viewpoint. This is not their personal chat line. There has been some abuse but this " I want them checked out" stuff has got to be put in check or there will only be two posters on the board. When in doubt, Comunicate. The above is my viewpoint.
Be Well
Author: LOGIC18
Posted: Fri Nov 02 2001 09:39 pm
Hello 1 Flew Over,
Thank you for following your personal integrity. I know we had our disagreements in the past, but I would never stoop so low as to petition the forum owner to kick you off or investigate you. I agree with your above post, and think some people here are hitting below the belt. I am glad you noticed and spoke up.
LOGIC18
Author: NoOne
Posted: Sat Nov 03 2001 06:57 am
Paul,
If you really want to keep the origininal intention of the FZA message board alive. I suggest that you actually read and duplicate the post all the posts, not just "Virgina". I think there are other people posting that also have valid things to say.
Author: joman
Posted: Sat Nov 03 2001 11:11 am
Check this.
"In that Man, until he has gotton above 20.0, lives to fight,"
"In that there has to be a fight for there to be a game,"
A process on page 117, old tech vol 2 and P.A.B No. 41
"Spot all the spots where you had to stop fighting them"
"Spot all the spots where you won."
Author: LOGIC18
Posted: Sun Nov 04 2001 02:28 am
I dont think there has to be a fight for there to be a game, I think there only neeeds to be a contest.
Lets play Volleyball...
LOGIC18
Author: Anon
Posted: Sun Nov 04 2001 10:00 am
Paul,
I have posted to this board with many names. I didn't know that this is considered wrong. I am still connected loosely to the COS and didn't want to leave a trail, so to speak, so I would use different names. I don't post very often, but when I do, it is usually to ask a question, defend someone who I think is being attacked, or ask the person attacking to stop it. I like to see peaceful debate, not attacks. I had no knowledge of forgeries. That is a different matter and should be handled with ethics.
So, please let me know if I should stick with one name.
P>S. I too thought that posting here was anonymous, that's why I felt comfortable to post. If a person's ISP address can be put up, then it becomes public knowledge. I am still attached to the COS by family, so I am concerned about this. Of course, if the person is committing fraud, that's a different situation.
Thank you.
Author: Anon
Posted: Sun Nov 04 2001 10:10 am
I wrote the above post to Paul. I have just read the posts on this board. I should have read them all earlier I suppose. I am not the anon that posted on Oct. 31st on this thread.
This is all getting very confusing. I know that it will all be sorted out soon.
Thanks again.
Author: FreeThought^2
Posted: Mon Nov 05 2001 08:07 am
datum: an SP accuses other people of the crimes they themselves are committing!
V said, "Freethought2 has posted pc folder data," while trying to call it "flirting", posting priest penitent priveleged data is actionable,"
This is a blatant outrageous LIE! THIS IS LIBEL! I have no access to any one's pc data. And If I did, I would be that persons Auditor or CS, and that would be the only other terminal I would allow to see seesion information. I find it disgusting the way pc data is not considered sacred. In the church, I WAS shocked to see people in admin, or CS's casually discussing peoples cases. I personally REFUSED HCO missionaires from looking into the pc folders that I had charge of. ( They only wanted to see test scores for recruitment purposes, but as far as I was concerned, WHO THE FUCK WERE THEY! to rummage through peoples personal secrets! ) I know what preist/penitant confidentiality means. When the church, or anyone doesnt respect this, they threaten not only the church, but the whole field, not just Scientology and the Free Zone but mental health in general. See point 1 Code of a Scientologist... MY integrity is in place!
V goes on to say "in addition has engaged in Libel (particularly in the thread "I saw this about a psych drug") where Freethought2 accuses me of being the "source of the RUMOR" about LRH, which even when disproven, still continued to spread this particular libel. "
Now after Libelling me she accuses ME of libel. So I ask you, Do you think Virginia is an SP?......
Virginia, Still rumormongering I see. And last time I checked You hadnt changed your position on Ron being doped up with Psych drugs before his death...despite you posting FACTS which paint a more hazy picture, the drug actually being an anti-histamine with potentially sedating properties. And You completely ignored whether this drug had any use in the treatment of stroke....funny how you ignored these obvious questions.....
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