Captain Bill Robertson.....a case for taking him seriously.....
Free Zone America Forum 2001: Captain Bill Robertson.....a case for taking him seriously.....
Captain Bill Robertson.....a case for taking him seriously.....
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Author: FreeThought^2
Posted: Wed Oct 17 2001 12:06 pm
I have created a thread to challenge my own personal prejudices. Some on this board will be offended, by it, but screw them. I freely admit that I have big trouble taking him seriously, and the Sector Operational Reports....BuT other than listing what seems to be outpoints. Quite frankly, I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO POST ON THIS THREAD.....Virginia, on the other hand would be an ideal person to make a case for CBR due to her own history and knowledge, though due to her constant attacks, and her epitome of what is wrong in the COS, I have trouble taking her seriously myself.
I do hope she does post here though, and others pro-, con and in the middle. Tommy, Rudy, Vast Marianne, and many others, will be able to fill this thread with important information.
Some of the points I am intereseted in are the whole telepathic relay issue, vs did CBR remove upperlevels from the church to finish his bridge , or both?
And where does he get the written Authority to openly discuss what are considered confidential data . What does he say Ron says?
I consider that my viewpont, that of interest, but dubious suspicion, is very common to people in the Church, and new to the freezone. So i would be very interested to hear a spirited case on CBR on those that know the goods.
Author: NOANSWER
Posted: Wed Oct 17 2001 12:43 pm
FreeThought^2, I have some questions for you,if you don't mind.
1. Are you in any way related to FZAO?
2. Do you have an ARC-break with regards to Ron's org or
any Ron's org terminal(besides Virginia).
3. What is your case level?
4. What is your training level?
5. Do you have any MU's, with regards to the context of the
Ron's org materials?
6. Do you agree that actually travelling the bridge is
more rewarding than being engaged in games that were
created by the implanters in the first place?
7. Are you aware that you're supposed to doubt anyone and
any organization that is actually producing Clears and
OT's?
Looking forward to your reply!
Author: pinolero
Posted: Wed Oct 17 2001 04:08 pm
hello non answer, I did not understand the point 7.
Are you aware that you are supposed to doubt anyone and any organization that is actually producing Clears and OT's?
Why doubt? If they are actually producing them thats sound very good indeed, like a very survival activity, what would be the reason to doubt if they are ACTUALLY producing them?
Could you please expand a bit in that subject?
Author: elpguy
Posted: Wed Oct 17 2001 04:22 pm
I think its a great question by Freethought. Post the proof, correct data, etc. of CBR and don't attack the questioner. Fair request? I think so.
Author: basicbasic
Posted: Wed Oct 17 2001 05:57 pm
Hi Freethought^2,
Not giving answers here , but in my
opinion, Noanswer is trying to introvert you.
This would be reverse scn. IMHO.
bb
PS. I'll rephrase point 6. Do you agree that playing games you have fun with is
more important than anything else that anyone tells you?
PPS. Where might that be on the tonescale?
PPPs. You better not have any affiliations with FZAO.
Thats incredibly dangerous. You'd get expell declare
from all sorts. Sigh.... happened to me.
Author: Virginia
Posted: Wed Oct 17 2001 11:58 pm
BB said: PPPs. You better not have any affiliations with FZAO.
Thats incredibly dangerous. You'd get expell declare
from all sorts. Sigh.... happened to me.
I say,
Awwwwww, poor innocent, wideeyed, forsaken, BB....
Can you hear the violins playing?
That's BB's swan song..
BB, lose the hearts and flowers persona will ya?
It's a little too transparent, your spikes are showing.
Freethought,
I perceived correctly that you weren't "done yet". (as mentioned in another thread). You are just changing your tactic.
You aren't real bright are you?
That's what happens when you lie, and are out of valence.
But you get 1 brownie point for persistance! Now if we could just get that persistance going towards SURVIVAL instead of SUCCUMB, that would be really something.
you said:
"and her epitome of what is wrong in the COS"
Oopsie! positioning yourself with BPC re: what Mike and I are doing with THE OUTPOINTS IN THE COS". BPC from a taken over church viewpoint no less!
That was even faster this time that you made a "booboo" on this order of magnitude.
Heck it was only a few days ago that you positioned yourself WITH those running the taken over church!
Here's my answer for ya,
The Sector Ops bulletins are your ref, try reading them, and clearing your mu's.
That should take you quite a while, with the amount of false data that you have due to your connections and job description.
First problem will be you even knowing you HAVE an mu versus some kind of reactive mind meltdown when confronting the truth.
Could take you a while.
--
Looks like the direction of the new and improved op is to try and copy Mike and I's motion some more.
Got BB trying to look like he supports exposing alterations to the tech (while working for a place that does their own altering-that's classic), Freethought trying to look like they are "interested" in RO's, trying to "use the tech" to "handle Virginia", which is reverse tech.
Much as BB says REVERSE use, which BB is quite good at in some arenas. Freethought isn't so good because he/she keeps getting too upset and forget which lie they told when.
Just not as good as some terminals at Flag though, needs some work as a junior implanter.
Give it up Freethought, not everybody is as ignorant, gullible, and tractable as the marks you are obviously used too.
Better than you have tried.
I find it quite educational myself, the gyrations those such as you go through.
You seek hidden control, and you are just finding out that for that to work, it needs to STAY HIDDEN.
Difficult to impossible, when attempted with someone who is willing to look. (and WORSE from your view-TALK ABOUT IT)
Easy with someone who's not, and doesn't talk about it.
I am more in the first category, in case you were wondering.
Ba Bye now kiddies,time to answer my emails.
Virignia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Wed Oct 17 2001 11:59 pm
NO ANSWER
Great Questions! Be interesting to see what BS Freethought comes up with to answer them.
Virginia
Author: pj
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 12:48 am
Noanswer,
>>>>>>5. Do you have any MU's, with regards to the context of the Ron's org materials?
While I am here I thought I'd clear up this baloney about MU's...
LRH went to great lengths to alter basic english in his writings of the subject of scientology, sothat it requires several kinds of scio dictionaries as well as regular english dictionaries to be able to read the hcob's and hcopl's.
Then there is the matter of the "hard to find" words, and archeic english Ron uses especially harsh on foreighn students.
I remembe this course sup once who had filed all he hard to find words in a card system over a period of some 30 years gathered from students who had run ino them and done the reseach in libraries and so on to clear them up. And had typed what they had uncovered on the card and filed it in alphabetical order. This saved students many hours searching for these words..
Anyhow this file system was removed by some mission in the org because it was out-tech. This goes to show what a sad situation we have when personal initiative is banned and when only robotic behaviour is considered valid.
The object here is to win time and make money, if you say the only reason to give up a study is MU's, then you are discounting the fact that the data may also be incorrect.
By the time you have cleared all the words scientology has your money, and if you aren't flying there is always something else wrong with you.
Then one comes to realise that they never knew there was sooo much wrong with them, hence more courses and more money spend..
Anyhow, the MU data is overly hyped to cover up a money making machine undeserving of all your hard earned cash, and a confidence trick to transfer confidence in yourself to confidence in the organizaton and create a dependency..
When asking do you have an MU ? It is purposely an attempt to introvert and an attempt to make someone doubt himself..
At the same time draw attention away from the stupidity that is the scientology cult.
-pj-
Author: shogun
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 01:02 am
I find it rather easy to not make those who are senior on the "tech" ..."make wrong", as I am very much senior on the so-called bridge, yet have no (or little) experience with "Le Church". I got all of my auditing from the most venerable Filbert (originator of much OT tech). I must say (for I am ethical and among the "living"), that there might be some others (let's see less PROMOTION OF GROUPS and more real-living stats, please)who are doing things "right", as far as auditing goes (the most senior activity... for erasing bank and clearing reactive minds)..never thought there might be, but PERHAPS there are. I recommend (RARE FOR ME)seeking out one of these folks for correct auditing. EVERYTHING ELSE is a substitute for handling your own bank and reactive mind....period. Based on my own stats, I can endorse Virginia and Rudy and Vast. Apart from those 3, there are , perhaps a few others, I just dont have stats on them at this time. The most senior activity for most is to just audit the grades (0-4, the Clearing Course and the OT levels through OT 24, beyond that, I dont have knoweledge not stats.) Be well, and audit, NO MATTER WHAT :-)
Author: Virginia
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 03:24 am
Pj,
What an amazing justification that post you just did was!
I suppose you think that Medicine with it's huge amount of NOMENCLATURE that must be learned, is a personal affront to you as well?
Or LAW?
Or Knowledgeism, with it's redefined terms (I am somewhat familiar with it remember),or Psychiatry, or Psychology, or English Literature, that's somehow all ok with their own nomenclature, different uses of words, etc., where Scientology is not?
Actually LRH SPEAKS ENGLISH, something that is in rare supply amongst most "english speaking" countries, including the US.
The literacy level is really pathetic compared to say, the turn of the century.
Don't attempt to blame your inability to speak English on LRH, that's really stretching it.
Or the fact that you have misunderstood words or terms, The total arrogance on your part of trying to blame your inability to master a language, on Scientology and LRH, is really a bit over the top.
Shogun,
Thanks, and yes indeed Be well and audit, NO MATTER WHAT! (or who).
Virginia
P.S.
What happened to the recipes?? I am really interested in trying one.
Author: pj
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 04:50 am
>>>>>>Don't attempt to blame your inability to speak English on LRH, that's really stretching it
I don't have an inability with the English language.
-pj-
Author: pj
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 05:31 am
>>>>>What an amazing justification that post you just did was!
Justification of what ?
What did I justify ?
Don't tell me, you're mindreading again, it's your Oteas Powerzzz (r) at work ?
Stop the b/s, I didn't justify a thing.
-pj-
Author: pj
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 05:59 am
>>>>>Medicine with it's huge amount of NOMENCLATURE that must be learned, is a personal affront to you as well?
Don't compare your 2-bit cult disguised as religion with the science of Medicine Virginia...
Medicine is studied in the universities.
Religion that scientology claims to be are normally written in the regular language not as a science..
In the real world Science and Religion are 2 different things and by definition incompatible..
They are 2 different things all together, for one religious phenominon are referred to as "miracles", "revelations", "visions", "wins", "postulates", nothing has to be proven, in science everything can be backed up by experiments in the lab and can reproduce the end result on demand anytime.
That way it can be verified the theory is based on facts..
In scientology, there is no way any of the OT phenominon can be proven, there is no way to verify if there is truth in it, therefore it is a "religious conviction" not science..
Besides I was referring to the archaic english etc and the way living and transitive verbs are transformed into "things" ("is-ness," "having-ness" represent typical examples of Scientology, the attaching of "ness" to verbs and converting them into nouns.
Additionally I was referring to the hype of MU and how it used as a tool to introvert..
So stop the b/s.
-pj-
Author: otflyer
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 08:54 am
I have just completed the Ron's Org OT LIFEREPAIR and am attempting ot 9,10, and 11.
This - "In scientology, there is no way any of the OT phenominon can be proven, there is no way to verify if there is truth in it, therefore it is a "religious conviction" not science.." - is an afront to being absolutely free of considerations, significances that are rife when you simply wade through society.
I just cannot believe the change and peace by being able to simply as-is other people's ridges especially when they attempt to hook me in. This new level, PHOENIX, is the WHOLE reason I am living.
THREE CHEERS TO THE TECH DEVELOPED BY CAPTAIN BILL
Author: pj
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 08:58 am
>>>>THREE CHEERS TO THE TECH DEVELOPED BY CAPTAIN BILL
Congratulations otflyer !
But that doen't make it science, it is still religious convictions..
And you are free to have them..
-pj-
Author: Scnstudent
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 09:02 am
M/U`s lead to failure to understand.
failures to understand lead to introversion and other bad things.
PJ, you are promoting stupidity.
The only thing that can go wrong with word-clearing is eval that a person has an MU when he really has not. I give you this point, that eval can be used as a tool of supression. But the correct target would be the person who abuses it.
LRH using archaic English? not surprising when considering he got his basic education at the beginning of the 1900`s
Author: Pathfinder
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 09:18 am
Virginia, I agree. Were's the beef? Shogun talks the talk, but does he walk the walk? Recipes please.
Pathfinder.
Author: Rudy
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 10:28 am
otflyer,
Way to go! Here are some dancing guys for you...
  
Author: Virginia
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 02:25 pm
Pj The wannabe agent said:
"They are 2 different things all together, for one religious phenominon are referred to as "miracles", "revelations", "visions", "wins", "postulates", nothing has to be proven, in science everything can be backed up by experiments in the lab and can reproduce the end result on demand anytime."
Pj's statement lines up nicely with towards the bottom of the scale realities, delineated in the chapter of The Gods of Eden, entitled ROBO-SAPIENS. (pj had a big button on LRH statements-so we'll use a non-LRH reference for him)
Excerpted
One from each scale as posted on another thread.
"Spiritual reality does not exist
at all. Everything can be explained
as products of material processes."
"There is no reality other than the
physical universe. Spiritual abilities,
such as "ESP", etc., do not exist."
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 02:28 pm
SCN student,
Good points. And eval that a person has an MU, is of course easily disproven by the accusee, in demonstrating an ACCURATE conceptual understanding and ability to use CORRECTLY the MU in question.
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 02:31 pm
OTflyer,
Welcome to Phoenix! And I would like to say Three cheers to CBR for correctly relaying LRH's bridge!
I am on this level as well, what RO group are you doing your level with?
If you don't mind my asking.
Anyways, have fun with doing Phoenix, I certainly am!
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 02:32 pm
No Answer:
I see Unfreethought-The DEAD agent didn't answer your questions.
Maybe UNfreethought is getting a clue they ARE a DEAD agent..ya think?
Virginia
Author: Worsel
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 03:53 pm
OTflyer wrote
> THREE CHEERS TO THE TECH DEVELOPED BY CAPTAIN BILL
Virginia wrote
>> I would like to say Three cheers to CBR for correctly relaying LRH's bridge!
So I'd like to know, which is it? Did CBR, who certainly was highly enough trained, develop these levels? Or is this a claim that the RO levels are from LRH somehow?
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 04:52 pm
FreeThought^2, let me get this straight:
You want to "challenge" your own "personal prejudices" by soliciting other people to go ahead and try to convince you to change your mind.
THAT IS TOO FUNNY!
If you are really serious about challenging your own beliefs, then go do that. Asking other people to do it for you is the lazy man's way to unenlightenment. You are just not going to get anywhere.
If you think that, similar to the church, you are going to be sold an opinion which you should own, you are going to find gaping holes in your list of "wants".
Author: pj
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 05:05 pm
Virginia,
After just having recovered from fits of laughter..
Do you really think you can pin the quotes below on me ?
Hey, I may be an agent...but I do have an education.
Never mind, you are getting a bit lazy with your arguments against me..
Here you quote,
>>>"Spiritual reality does not exist
>>>at all. Everything can be explained
>>>as products of material processes."
As though I said there is no spirituality, which I didn't...
For one person it is Allah, for the other it is Christ, for someone else it is Buddha...
I said that spirituality cannot be measured or quantified or scientifically proven..
Ever tried to PROVE to an orthodox Jew the infallibility of the teachings of the Koran ?
Right, it cannot be done..
But the law of gravity can be explained easily in one afternoon in the science lab to a group consisting of Jews, Muslims, Hindoes and perhaps even the scientologist (if he hasn't forgotten to bring his demo kit).
That is the difference !!
That is why it is RELIGION and not SCIENCE..
If they were thesame thing like scientology claims for money making reason, god would have made them thesame thing and not have given them 2 different names to mean 2 different things, the 2 are not compatible the way oil and water are not compatible..
The words YOU are putting in my mouth is that I DENY the existence of anything spiritual...
And now it is my turn to call you a liar..
-pj-
Author: Virginia
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 05:23 pm
What a cracker Pj is, to loosely quote I believe it was No answer, a while back.
I said your earlier statement LINES UP, with those points of the gradated scale from the Gods of Eden. I did NOT say THOSE EXCERPTED WORDS WERE YOURS, nor did I "put them in your mouth".
Go Clear the words "lines" and "up" will you?
Your non mastery of English is getting to be a real problem with your communication.
You just lied AGAIN saying: "The words YOU are putting in my mouth is that I DENY the existence of anything spiritual..."
I said: "Pj's statement lines up nicely......"
How do you get so many feet in your mouth like that PJ, you some kind of centipede or something?
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 05:26 pm
Worsel,
Go read the Sector Ops bulletins, on www.freezone.de, CBR himself answers that, as well as one of the Sector Ops bulletins is a straight relay of LRH comm, called a TELEC.
Telepathic communication.
Virginia
Author: pj
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 05:50 pm
Virginia,
Now you are on about centipede..
Again, no answers to the actual contents and significance of the message..
Do you now understand why there are people that hate your crazy cult and for what it stands ?
I am giving a reasonable argument and you are whining about LINING UP...
LINING UP means something in the order of "similar", or "approximating the same thing"....
Hence I said you are putting words in my mouth, that was LINING UP quite well with what you were IMPLYING..
Besides, it is f**king irrelevant...
My point was about the difference between RELIGION and SCIENCE..
Stop the b/s..
-pj-
Author: Worsel
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 07:39 pm
OTflyer wrote
>>> THREE CHEERS TO THE TECH DEVELOPED BY CAPTAIN BILL
Virginia wrote
>> I would like to say Three cheers to CBR for correctly relaying LRH's bridge!
Worsel asked
> So I'd like to know, which is it? Did CBR, who certainly was highly enough trained, develop these levels? Or is this a claim that the RO levels are from LRH somehow?
Virginia commented
Go read the Sector Ops bulletins, on www.freezone.de, CBR himself answers that, as well as one of the Sector Ops bulletins is a straight relay of LRH comm, called a TELEC.
Telepathic communication.
I know what a telec is. I have read the Sector Bulletins. I saw the one he relayed from LRH. ALL the SBs were not relayed. Nowhere did I see that CBR said that the Ron's Org Bridge had been teleced from LRH. This is why I asked the question to begin with.
Can anybody else answer my question?
Author: Ed Rhett
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 08:53 pm
I have nothing to say about the Sector Operating Bulletins. But as for taking Capt Bill Robertson seriously, I can say this much. Something really bad keyed in on me. Marianne at Ron's Org delivered some auditing to me that preserved what little was left of my sanity and well being, and has boought me almost back to where I was before I keyed in. The action should be completed soon. The tech at Ron's Org really works. It very likely saved my life. I have no scientific proof of this, but it is true for me. I believe it really is an extension of Ron Hubbards work, and a better bridge than the official church has to offer.
Author: Blondie
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 09:05 pm
Worsel,
I am still a newbie to RO materials, but I remember that several of the Sector Ops Bulletins were "TELEC's" from LRH. In them, CBR credits LRH and thanks him many times for developing the tech. (Including Ethics and Admin) From CBR materials I have read or used, they are all LRH materials, that can be found in pre-RTC revised editions. This tells me that LRH DID develop the whole bridge a LONG time ago - and I haven't found yet (still looking)where CBR states or implies that he developed any of it himself, other than a repair.
It's a good point for you to raise, as I am sure others have the same questions.
Author: Worsel
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 11:41 pm
Hi Ed
Great to hear your win! However, my question had nothing to do with taking CBR seriously, and I have no argument with "it really is an extension of Ron Hubbard's work."
Blondie
I saw where CBR acknowledged LRH for the tech, etc. I am asking "Did CBR, who certainly was highly enough trained, develop these levels? Or is this a claim that the RO levels are from LRH somehow?"
You may not have "found yet where CBR states or implies that he developed any of it himself" but I ask does he say anywhere that he got all this data from LRH and simply "relayed" it?
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 01:00 am
Yes, Worsel, he does, but first, here is the most obvious example of RELAYING data from LRH, and what LRH had to say about the bridge, and what did CBR develop.
It is of course obvious that since CBR wrote this down, in this case he didn't NEED to "say he was relaying the data from LRH", for OBVIOUS reasons, such as he WAS relaying it so why SAY it in this ref.
Now there ARE other places where he talks here and there about it.
But let's excerpt SOB NBR 22 for now.
SOB 22 TELEC
"I wish to thank all my friends in the Free-zone and especially Capt. Bill, who carried on, in spite of freat odds, on my behalf.
The tech is all in his hands and is ready for you now. I wish you all success with it.
When enough are ready for OT 17 and OT 18, I will return.
Until then, I'll keep the show on the road here, in this galaxy and others, to direct the attention and interest of all thetans toward what you-my friends-are doing there on dear old Teegeack.
It was my home and it shall be again. Keep it beautiful and give it a New Civilization we can all be proud of.
By the way, you all can still communicate with me-haven't you ever heard of telepathy. (Joke).
Seriously thought, I don't think you will ever be fooled again after you do the "Excalibur" level. That is the final barrier to your self-determinism, although some may want or need the OT Life Repair Capt. Bill worked out to fully appreciate your gains."
It is pretty obvious from this ref alone, that what CBR developed, was simply the OT Life Repair. The statement, the tech is all in his hands (CBR's) and is ready for you now, is quite clearly stated.
If it is REALLY necessary that this has to be done NOW, I will see about bumping up that particular project (culling CBR writings and where he credits getting the bridge FROM LRH, in more ways than one), and find all the places that I have read, where he says that he got it from LRH.
But, this first ref, should perk up some thetans "ears" and I am sure set off the usual various and sundry forms of attack on the subject matter, all by itself.
Especially by the agents on board, so might as well let the dogs start yapping about it, as dogs are wont to do.
Virginia
Author: NOANSWER
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 01:30 am
Hi Virginia,
Freethought^2 did answer my questions by not answering my questions.
LOL!@#$%^&*
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 02:43 am
Hey you! (no answer)
(smile)
How did you get those little guys in your post? And the smiley face?
And yes, I know what you mean re: UNfreethought, the DEAD agent.
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 02:48 am
Correction to this part of my earlier post;
Seriously thought, I don't think you will ever be fooled again after you do the "Excalibur" level. That is the final barrier to your self-determinism, although some may want or need the OT Life Repair Capt. Bill worked out to fully appreciate your gains."
***Should start "Seriously though", NOT "Seriously thought,"
I apologize for any confusion from my typo.
Virginia
Author: NOANSWER
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 03:01 am
Hi Virginia,
A very big smile back at you!
You can find these little guys at:
http://www.fza.org/cgi-bin/forum/board-image-lister.cgi
It's useful to save the above address on your list of 'favorites' after you click on 'file' if you use Microsoft Internet Explorer.
NOANSWER
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 03:10 am
Thank ye kindly no answer!
Virginia
Author: Blondie
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 05:43 am
Virginia,
Thanks for posting the above reference from LRH - I wanted to post the same, but could not access the materials at that moment I was answering.
Author: FreeThought^2
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 12:11 pm
Wow,
what a quickly active thread,
however, NO ONE has responded to my questions, the pupose of this thread.....
No ansewer
1-nope
2-nope
5- dont think so, but its been a while since i read them
6-yes
7-no ? dont get it...what do you mean?
( 3 and 4 follow under personal identifying information,
i know that wasnt your intent, but its true, private consumption only at the moment....)
Now, No Answer...make a case that someone not on NOTS can see for themself....
Author: Worsel
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 03:52 pm
Virginia wrote
> Yes, Worsel, he does,
Yes, Virginia, there IS a santa claus. Sorry, couldn't resist. lol
> It is of course obvious that since CBR wrote this down, in this case he didn't NEED to "say he was relaying the data from LRH", for OBVIOUS reasons, such as he WAS relaying it so why SAY it in this ref.
*I* am not STUPID and don't NEED to have such explanations as it is OBVIOUS to me what he SAID.
> Now there ARE other places where he talks here and there about it. But let's excerpt SOB NBR 22 for now.
SOB 22 TELEC
"... after you do the "Excalibur" level. That is the final barrier to your self-determinism, although some may want or need the OT Life Repair Capt. Bill worked out to fully appreciate your gains."
> It is pretty obvious from this ref alone, that what CBR developed, was simply the OT Life Repair.
SIMPLY? Are you saying that NO ONE can make the LRH tech their own and extrapolate therefrom and write more applications thereof? Did CBR write "LRH" at the bottom of all his tech materials? Did he ever write that he got all of the RO bridge tech verbatim from LRH?
As I see it, that is an invalidation of the LRH tech (and by inference, LRH himself) AND of CBR.
> The statement, the tech is all in his hands (CBR's) and is ready for you now, is quite clearly stated.
Well, yes that is what it says. But you seem to interpret the word "tech" to mean ONLY LRH, that tech MEANS written by LRH.
> ...culling CBR writings and where he credits getting the bridge FROM LRH, in more ways than one), and find all the places that I have read, where he says that he got it from LRH.
Did he write that he got the RO bridge from LRH? Or was he referring to LRH as having authored all the stuff LRH authored while he was alive as LRH, without which he couldn't have carried on?
> But, this first ref, should perk up some thetans "ears" and I am sure set off the usual various and sundry forms of attack on the subject matter, all by itself. Especially by the agents on board,
So anyone who doesn't think LRH spoke telepathically to CBR is an agent?
> so might as well let the dogs start yapping about it, as dogs are wont to do.
Egads! Does this mean I am a yapping dog?
Is there anyone from RO who can post about this? Or is Virginia the spokesperson for RO?
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 04:10 pm
Why do you need a spokesperson Worsel, you planning to take some services or something at RO?
In fact why do you care about CBR getting the bridge from LRH?
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 04:40 pm
Blondie:
Your welcome!
Virginia
Author: Kheinsa
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 09:21 pm
I am glad to have read a lot of this about CBR. I had some questions myself.
I like question #7. It made me think of why I am Q and A with some things.
Somehow I am getting fear over what I want to do. It seems as something is going on and I can't figure it out the why.
Well, anyways I am still learning.
Kheinsa
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 10:43 pm
No answer, (a little literary fun)
Scene: A darkened cloak room, off the side of the board room.
Hey, No answer, come here,Shhh..
(said at a whisper) Did you notice how easy it was to get freethought to try and appear to answer your questions?
Hey, no laughing! I said Shhhh, Unthought thinks they are doing effective vector management, and that noone else knows about that, so don't tell Unthought we know, k?
k.
--end
LOL, So anyways, No answer, looks like UNthought is sandbagging on the answers to your questions.
Sa la Vie.
Virginia
Author: Rudy
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 07:19 am
Kheinsa,
Your post above is not a good indicator. What is up?
Don't post it, e-mail me
Author: Rudy
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 08:46 am
Worsel,
>>>"Is there anyone from RO who can post about this? Or is Virginia the spokesperson for RO?"
In case you didn't know, RON's Org is a NETWORK of 'Self-determined' individuals and groups. We are united by agreed upon intentions and ethics rather than structured administration. Virginia is not a RON's Org spokesperson, she is a loyal Scientologist, with a 'group' who applies KSW with no hesitation. Whether you like 'her style' or not, she is very good at it.
MY 'group' is with Marianne and VAST. My answer to your question above is that I don't know the exact details of the LRH/CBR hand-off of the tech. I, personally am not interested in such trivialities but rather the results of the tech. This has no relevance on your ability and willingness to handle your case and go up the bridge. If you are REALLY interested maybe you can coax an answer out of VAST when he wakes up in 3 days.
Author: Worsel
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 11:10 am
Rudy wrote
>>>"Is there anyone from RO who can post about this? Or is Virginia the spokesperson for RO?"
> In case you didn't know, RON's Org is a NETWORK of 'Self-determined' individuals and groups. We are united by agreed upon intentions and ethics rather than structured administration.
Yes, I got this much from the CBR stuff.
> Virginia is not a RON's Org spokesperson,
She was the only one answering me, so I thought she may be.
> she is a loyal Scientologist, with a 'group' who applies KSW with no hesitation. Whether you like 'her style' or not, she is very good at it.
I am a loyal scientologist too. Yet she doesn't seem to think I fit into her definition of KSW, and yes, she is good at what she does, which doingness I disagree with at times, as she seems to consider that anyone who disagrees with HER is an agent/handler/dupe/liar/enslaver/implanter.
> MY 'group' is with Marianne and VAST.
Yes, I saw that in some other posts of yours. I thorougly enjoyed the posts of Vast and Marianne that I read as well.
> My answer to your question above is that I don't know the exact details of the LRH/CBR hand-off of the tech. I personally am not interested in such trivialities but rather the results of the tech.
The only reason I took it up is because Virginia seemed to be correcting the statement made by OTflyer (?) and insistent upon the fact that CBR didn't source the RO tech, except "simply" the OT life repair. I took some offense at that because one, LRH expects us to make the tech our own, and two, I knew Capt Bill in the SO and he was certainly capable of carrying on after LRH died with his OWN applications of the basic scn tech. I realize she attacks others who write their own rundowns or whatever, and says that she is only proLRH, so it seemed to me she accepted CBR ONLY because he was a "relay" for LRH and he didn't produce anything but the life repair. From reading the Sector bulletins etc at the freezone.de site, I did not get that impression at all.
> This has no relevance on your ability and willingness to handle your case and go up the bridge.
It had relevance only in that Virginia was representing it her way and at the same time, being pro-RO. Don't know how my case and bridge got into this.
> If you are REALLY interested maybe you can coax an answer out of VAST when he wakes up in 3 days.
lol
Author: VAST
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 01:05 pm
Good morning everyone. I see a few of you have been quite busy while I was traveling. I also noticed this thread started by FreeThought^2 above, so I will answer that here. Thank you for the communication. I got it.
First of all, by your own admission, you have a prejudice of CBR's comms. A prejudice, as defined in Webster's New World dictionary(1988) is: 1.a preconceived, usually unfavorable idea. 2. an opinion held in disregard of facts that contradict it, bias. 3. intolerance or hatred of other races, etc. 4. injury or harm.
From my perspective, this is indicative of not allowing his communications to be received, duplicated, or UNDERSTOOD by you. Essentially, these prejudices may impose a problem to getting what is being conveyed. You could, of course, spot the source of these counter intentions and audit that to acheive a clearing, thus enabling you to receive the communication as it was originally intended. You may find that many other communications will flow easily as well. I have always found that auditing clears away any stops in my universe. It's just a suggestion.
Secondly, I will respond to the "whole telepathic relay issue, vs did CBR remove upper levels from the church to finish his bridge, or both?". I find it interesting that you phrased your question that way. The answer to CBR removing materials for "his" upper bridge? is NO. CBR (Astar Paramejgian), in my opinion, is an extraordinary being. He is also a close friend of Elron. By CBR's own communications you will see that there was telepathy between them. This subject is discussed in detail on CBR's Telepathy Seminar. If you haven't read it (which I recommend to anyone )you can find it on the Freie Zone website (search the Table of Contents). The ability to communicate telepathically is native to all thetans. The theta universe is a thought universe after all. One of the pieces of data that I know to be true (for me)is that the being known as Elron Elray left animatory control of his then current Earth bound body in 1982 (April). This opened the door for the already imbedded infiltrators to the CofS to strike and sweep away any dissidents in their takeover operation. These infiltrators may or may not have been in direct control of a body. Thus we have the great departure of those "pesky free thinking thetans" in the church during that era. This planned coup was long in the making. The source of this takeover is one being. Xenu. Although he had many assistants, either willingly or unwillingly or UNKNOWINGLY. Those that could not align enough data to properly evaluate the situation were trapped. Thus there are many ethical beings who were and are doomed by lies, still in the church. Their comm lines CUT by denial of reach and deliberate witholding of data. This situation in the CofS was observed by CBR and a mission was undertaken to safeguard the TECH by making it available in an independent forum known originally as the FREE ZONE. From there, CBR started auditing his Nots case. He noticed something peculiar with the Nots case and the data the church was operating on at that time. The Nots data contained altered importances. It is my understanding that certain Nots bulletins were written from LRH research notes, and when compiled by someone else, these altered importances were entered into the data. These bulletins were issued as if LRH signed off on them. From my perspective, that is a lie. Based on my experience using correctly aligned tech the results have been what was to be expected. Thus we have incorrect data the CofS is employing to resolve case areas and not acheiving the proper results. This is a very key point. The Nots "products" for years have originated that the case area "seems to come back", or were manifesting physical problems ( some severe). This data was witheld from most of the public deliberately. It was bad PR and all that. Thus we have another indicator (no real product) of infiltration into the church. From this point CBR aligned the data with all other LRH data and he developed what is now known as EXCALIBUR. The end result is a being free from other determinism. There are other rewards for one as well. You will have to do it to appreciate just what this means. I can mention here that my own personal telepathic ability has expanded tremendously. I can also mention to you that I have a complete certainty that all that CBR has done is verified from Elron as being correct. I have asked them both myself. This may be difficult for you to accept. Others may have difficulty too, but, it is what it is. I also have total certainty that the rest of what is attributed to CBR was coordinated with Elron the entire way. The RONS ORG bridge is the bridge of Elron. Nothing I have seen contradicts anything that Elron wrote or said. In fact, it aligns beautifully. As it was intended to. The old man always said to look for yourself, so I did. The RONS ORG tech works for me and from what I have seen in the products produced by it's proper application, it works for them too. Just like Elron always said it would. The correct tech when properly applied acheives the desired result.
As far as your comment about having "written authority" in regards to confidential data, well, I will state that dissemination of the correct data was of paramount importance then for safeguarding it then. When "rules" get in the way, to hell with the rules. Would you rather have it that the upper bridge was denied to Earth and it's many inhabitants because a "rule" prevented it? You have to look at the broader issue here. There is a very big game being played by many many players. There is an inherent desire by those trapped here to be free from reactive case influences and other restrictions to their freedom. There are some of us willing to free them. In the process of doing that the rewards for oneself are extraordinary. There are also players knowingly or unknowingly who are trying to prevent us from attaining success. Upon personal examination I have found one singular source for this intent. The root of all suppression in this and other universe lies at the doorstep of one being. Xenu. Implanting, which xenu designed personally, is being carried out now, and has been for a long long long time. It was NEVER supposed to be part of our game. We did not agree to it. Because Xenu never agreed to play by the rules of the game, he introduced an element which took away our fundamental rights. Those being the right to one's sanity, the right to leave a game and the right to make or choose or not make or not choose one's own game to play. It's almost mind boggling the degree of the insidious methods he has employed to dominate and control ALL OF US in his quest for universal domination. He's playing a game where eternal enslavement of EVERY thetan but HIM is the end result. I do not intend for that to happen. I like seeing thetans free. It is a game I am playing now and intend to play in my future. Freeing a thetan stuck in a trap has it's own rewards. Those that agree to hinder or prevent a thetans freedom are WORKING for Xenu, whether knowingly or unknowingly. He is a master of deception. Many, but not all, doing his work believe they are doing something just or honorable. It is a trick he has repeatedly used up and down the track. The bridge dismantles these control mechanisms that have been imposed on a thetan by others or oneself and frees up oneself enough to expand and effectively operate across the dynamics. That is what the bridge is doing. Expansion of oneself to the extent that freedoms are attained and the ability to master games is acheived. From what I have witnessed it produces a free and able player. CBR is one of these players. He has effectively played with displayed competence of theta abilities. And continues to do so. The bridge at RONS ORG WORKS. I have seen the product of it's application. It should be studied with someone who is properly trained in it's application and can resolve all of the bridge's many case phenomena when they manifest. It addresses and handles areas of case native to us all. Reading about it won't do it. Only doing it will do it. Some of it may be too incredible to confront right away for some. That's OK. When they are ready to confront all of their case, we shall be there to assist. I am not a spokesman for RONS ORG in the sense that I was assigned to it. I write to you and any other reader in the hope that you will perceive the truth of what I write and correctly notice my intention. I do what I do because I want to, not because I was asked to. Also, because it needs to be done. If it were not for the abilities of my friends Elron and Astar (CBR), and their willingness to display what can and should be done I would be in far worse shape today. I thank them and all others who carry forward the intention to free beings everywhere. Beings like "Rudy" and Virginia and "Scipher" and "Ciro", and many others. Forgive me if I don't mention your name. You know who you are. However, I especially want to mention my dear friend Marianne Hagen, who despite repeated attacks, has brought the tech to me to use for myself and to use for everyone. I consider her one of the most noble and able beings in all the universes. Thank you Marianne. Thank you Astar. And mostly, thank you Elron.
As you can clearly see, I had something to express. I am a player in this huge game, just like you, and everyone else. It is my aspiration that you and all others will understand that what I am doing is for yours and all others benefit. We are all beings of almost unimaginable magnitude and we have gotten into mischief ourselves. There was some sabotage in what we have been doing too, let's not forget that. Fortunately there is a resolution to the problems of life. The bridge. The route out. The way is assured with the tech's workability. And the Technology of RONS ORG bridge works. Period. All of it. It's the route Elron mapped for us, with the very able assistance of Astar (CBR). It is the most valuable thing in the entirety of all the universes. Will you play with me and see it's use spread far and wide? The choice will always be yours.
Author: Virginia
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 01:15 pm
Hear hear.
Kudos to my friend Vast, for a wonderful post.
Virginia
Go RO United States! (where it's REALLY at)
Author: Virginia
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 01:24 pm
Worsel Said:
consider that anyone who disagrees with HER is an agent/handler/dupe/liar/enslaver/implanter.
Worsel, you really shouldn't agree with thoughts that are not yours, it is flawing your judgement. That particular statement you typed, is a rather well used enemy line, with a nice twist on exactly who and WHY I call liar's etc, as being "disagreeing with me" which is a deceptive euphemism trying to distract from the truth. PEOPLE WHO LIE, and PERVERT the truth in multiple ways, is essentially who I call on the carpet, so to speak.
You are under influence, and you don't have to be.
Take a look, REALLY look, and you can catch it. To do ANYTHING, a thetan has to direct attention first, then intention, it's the ONE thing they can't escape from,including the infamous Xenu, as it's impossible to DO, without the above two things.
And it can be tracked, if one is willing to.
Hope you decide you can be willing to.
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 01:38 pm
In case it's not clear to everyone, Vast, Marianne, Mike and I work together in a much larger sense of the word "group" as it were.
We are working as a TEAM.
They also wear a delivery hat, primarily, whereas we wear other hats, as requested.
Mike and I etal, also get ourselves up the bridge, of course, and progress is made daily.
Any attempts, however subtle, to seperate Marianne, VAST, and Mike and I, as being "opposed" or any possible variation of such, when it is not our intention to be so "seperated", will be viewed in the light that it is.
Attempted breaking apart of the TEAM.
That includes comments such as Worsel has made, UNthought, etc. etc. (validating half-attacking the other half, for example).
Mike and I grant our support, where it is warranted, and AS LONG as it is warranted. On this line, barring any successful "ops", as VAST said to me a while back, this (our working as a TEAM), could be the "beginning of a beautiful friendship", which it is Mike and I's postulate, as we align with Marianne and Vast on what game we are playing, last a LONG LONG LONG LONG! time.
So, to all you would be influencers out there?
GET A LIFE!
Get on LRH's bridge and start becoming a player, instead of a piece.
Virginia
Author: Kheinsa
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 03:20 pm
I am glad to have read all of this.
Way to go Virgina. One day you can add me.
Rudy I will send e-mail.
I am holding my own. I think I may be under influence now. But I am holding my own. Now that I know about it.
Kheinsa
Author: Worsel
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 05:10 pm
Virginia wrote
> In case it's not clear to everyone, Vast, Marianne, Mike and I work together in a much larger sense of the word "group" as it were. We are working as a TEAM.
I didn't know that. Thank you for posting this.
Author: Worsel
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 05:17 pm
Vast
Ahhh... another great post. I'm going to read it again later. This is one of those that needs savoring.
Author: Virginia
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 09:23 pm
Worsel,
Yea, do some more sitting and savoring of other's activities.
Good plan.
Virginia wrote
> In case it's not clear to everyone, Vast, Marianne, Mike and I work together in a much larger sense of the word "group" as it were. We are working as a TEAM.
You said:
I didn't know that. Thank you for posting this.
Mm Hmm, there is definitely something up with you Worsel, your intention line is not clean, even though you are trying to make your words appear so.
"Looked things over and they just didn't add up...." (actor name?)
Virginia
Author: Blondie
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 11:24 pm
Hello Vast!
Great post! Is there a Web page for Ron's Org US? I've read some of CBR stuff but not all. How do I get in touch with you?
Author: VAST
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 12:03 am
Hello Blondie. Thank you for your very theta comm. There is not currently a specific webpage for RONS ORG US. There is some data on Freie Zone website under RONS ORG USA mentioning my friend Marianne Hagen. She is a most extraordinary being. A real gem of an auditor and a treasure chest of experience and tech. In regards to the website you inquire about the situation should change in the future. I see you have read some of CBR's "stuff". I will make a suggestion to you here, read the rest, although if you have gotten your hands on any confidential materials I suggest you pass on reading them until you are ready to do those specific bridge levels. The data is not being denied to you, it's wiser to address the case areas that get restimulated from reading them as you are prepared and properly trained to start auditing them. That's just common sense. Some people have a button on being denied their bridge. That is not my intent. Actually, I want everyone to do their bridge. I have examined beings who read or accessed data from bridge levels above their case levels and have repeatedly seen unwanted manifestations in their lives. Most of them didn't recognize just what the hell happened to them. The study tech of LRH mentions gradients. That would be wise. I also strongly suggest to you and anyone else to take a good look at Sector Operation Bulletin #19 on Freie Zone website. It applies directly to the planetary scenario that is being played right now on Earth. Please notice it was written years ago. There is a link on the front page of this very website you can click on to take you to Freie Zone. Then click on Freezone.de , search for the appropriate language and go to the Table Of Contents. From there you will see Sector 9 Book near the bottom of the page. Here are the Sector Operation Bulletins. They are all important pieces of data. They also contain communications from Elron Elray (LRH). For me, my life changed so much when I read them for the first time 2 1/2 years ago. I have gone through quite a metamorphisis from the life I was living then. This change can be attributed to RONS ORG bridge as it is delivered in it's standard form. This change has brought forth abilities that were dormant and suppressed. These abilities are native to all thetans. If we all work together to expand the dissemination of the tech we can free those that so desperately need us. This would also include freeing you. The bridge is at RONS ORG, ready for you. The choice is yours.
Vastplus@bellsouth.net
Ronsorg@bellsouth.net
Author: Virginia
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 01:34 am
Hi Blondie,
You said to Vast:
"I've read some of CBR stuff but not all.."
Which reminded me of this you said earlier (excerpted):
"...From CBR materials I have read or used, they are all LRH materials, that can be found in pre-RTC revised editions. This tells me that LRH DID develop the whole bridge a LONG time ago - and I haven't found yet (still looking)where CBR states or implies that he developed any of it himself, other than a repair."
When you say read or used, I wondered if that means you are on LRH's bridge in RO?
Being new as you say, I wasn't sure if you meant that you applied things you learned, as in used, or used meaning as in auditing.
So, I am curious, what's your case level? And have you had any auditing with a Ron's org terminal? How was it?
I also was a little confused by "CBR stuff", didn't quite get what you read that was stuff...LOL.
Slang is like that sometimes though, doesn't always mean anything by it's use, it's just slang. But I don't know that I would call CBR's writings, stuff, just never thought to use, stuff, in that context.
I use the term stuff, like "that's my stuff, leave it alone", or "pass that green stuff, whatever it is". LOL
And now that's all the stuff I have to say about all this other stuff!
LOL
(just playing around a bit here)
Nite all,
Virginia
Author: Blondie
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 07:23 am
Hi Virginia!
No, I'm not currently auditing any RO materials, just read the SOB's and a few other things. Case level, OT IV, and incomplete on V.
OOps got to run, back later.
Author: Rudy
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 10:29 am
Worsel,
Got sidetracked by life and wanted to get back to you:
YOU SAID: "My answer to your question above is that I don't know the exact details of the LRH/CBR hand-off of the tech. I personally am not interested in such trivialities but rather the results of the tech.
Although this IS my viewpoint, it may have come across as rude or self-righteous. That was not my intention just the results of posting half-conscious at what ever ungodly hour I was posting.
I SAID AND YOUR RESPONSE: "This has no relevance on your ability and willingness to handle your case and go up the bridge."
YOU: "It had relevance only in that Virginia was representing it her way and at the same time, being pro-RO. Don't know how my case and bridge got into this.
I was (again in that half-conscious state)trying to use 'universal-you' not referring to you personally, in
relaying my viewpoint. In questioning myself as to whether I
was forcing a perspective on you, and not having the alertness or desire to re-write my post, I attempted to aid you with a little obscure (inside) humor about VAST's recovery from a long distance delivery mission. Hence the reply:
> "If you are REALLY interested maybe you can coax an answer out of VAST when he wakes up in 3 days."
Thanx for your response.
Author: Worsel
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 01:37 pm
Rudy wrote
> "My answer to your question above is that I don't know the exact details of the LRH/CBR hand-off of the tech. I personally am not interested in such trivialities but rather the results of the tech."
> Although this IS my viewpoint, it may have come across as rude or self-righteous.
Not at all, but thanks for the consideration.
> That was not my intention just the results of posting half-conscious at what ever ungodly hour I was posting.
LOL I do agree with you re the RESULTS of the tech.
> I SAID AND YOUR RESPONSE: "This has no relevance on your ability and willingness to handle your case and go up the bridge." YOU: "It had relevance only in that Virginia was representing it her way and at the same time, being pro-RO. Don't know how my case and bridge got into this.
> I was (again in that half-conscious state)trying to use 'universal-you' not referring to you personally, in relaying my viewpoint.
OK, got it. I have the same problem in my spoken conversations. Keep reminding myself to say "one" and "one's" instead of you and yours.
> I attempted to aid you with a little obscure (inside) humor about VAST's recovery from a long distance delivery mission. Hence the reply: "If you are REALLY interested maybe you can coax an answer out of VAST when he wakes up in 3 days."
Yeah, that's why I wrote LOL to that remark. I had read on the board where he was on a "trip" and from his posts, I had assumed he wouldn't be on a vacation somewhere. I had gotten the idea he was lecturing or delivering someplace, and when you said 3 days, I figured he had been really busy.
> Thanx for your response.
And thank you for taking the time to make sure your comm was duplicated by me.
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 05:20 pm
Great INTENTIONED posts. Thanks to the TEAM.
When a statement of intention is announced it can only mean one thing.
"The skies are gonna clear up, Put on a happy face..."
(dancing feet picture here)
Good stuff!
Author: Rudy
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 11:52 pm
Hey! Nice validation Mr Cain!
So what the heck is YOUR story? Unless you don't want to divulge it to the audience.
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 05:40 am
"Ladies and gentleman of the audience. The witless is refusing to answer that question on the grounds that it may seem ridiculous.
Your honor, the dude's GUILTY!"
"Hold your tongue Mason. You ain't such a smarty pants as you THINK you are!".
"You honor, it ain't the pants. It's the underwear. I think I got a WEDGE!"
Thanks Rudy.
Author: Rudy
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 08:15 am
So you were declared by a corrupted and suppressive church for squawking about out tech. Now you are stuck on the bridge somewhere after 'clear'?
I don't know, I don't 'get' that obscure stuff...
Author: Virginia
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 12:29 pm
Methinks Cainie Baby is not stuck on the bridge somewhere after Clear, nor is actually declared per se, although he probably WOULD be if it was known how good Cainie Baby is at "diggin' it", and game playing. Course that all "depends" on exactly who Cainie Baby IS, can you dig it?
He Likes playing Dick Tricky, but doesn't like stalling on poker much, I know that much.
(toothy grin)
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 12:45 pm
Cainie baby,
A little diversion if you will, a little spice.
Question for ya.
Does the word "Juicy" have any past significance to your dynamics?
(said with a "poker face" with a strong intention that NO this is NOT a pornographic reference)
..Scusing self from table to use the little ladies room.
..Enter little ladies room, lock the door, and bust out laughing, causing the other frequenters of the gamer establishment to wonder just WHAT is so funny. Thinking to myself, only two other people in the world, know what "Juicy" has also meant, so......composing myself and putting my best poker face on, I sashay back to the table and sit down.
And look at Cainie Baby and wait...
Virginia
Author: Rudy
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 12:46 pm
That was just my best shot at a game that is very obscure to me and I am very lousy at.
I hope our dear Citizen will enlighten me as to my attempt.
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 02:08 pm
>>Does the word "Juicy" have any past significance to your dynamics?
As he looks up from the bar stool and says...
Will that be a juice-er or a juice-ee?
Damn you're funny!
That had me laughing for quite a while.
If the laughter stops long enough, maybe some significance will show up.
...as he says with a poker face.
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 02:10 pm
>>So you were declared by a corrupted and suppressive church for squawking about out tech.
Hey, what is this? Twenty questions? :-)
I've never been declared anything other then "wierd". (see, I can't even spell weird right!)
>>Now you are stuck on the bridge somewhere after 'clear'?
Maybe you know something I don't. Why just the other day, I was saying that I'm always the last one to find out!
Rudy, I'm just being funny in a "wierd" sort of way. But as for the rest... well, my lips are sealed for now. But I'm working on it. Just keep that tube of super glue away from me! :-)
In truth, there is no story to tell.
I've been busy working on my tan - that's all! Really!
No, really.
Yes, its true.
:-)
Author: Blondie
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 02:26 pm
Hey,
Is that "snow white" tan? Cause that's the only one you're going to get sitting in your green duck house! Tee Hee
Author: Virginia
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 05:36 pm
>>Does the word "Juicy" have any past significance to your dynamics?
As he looks up from the bar stool and says...
Will that be a juice-er or a juice-ee?
*That will be a Juice-er, thank you. I got the Juice-ee right here next to me.
You got the Juice-er?
Damn you're funny!
That had me laughing for quite a while.
If the laughter stops long enough, maybe some significance will show up.
...as he says with a poker face.
(Looking at cards) I light a cigarette, and slowly take a puff. Tipping the end on the side of the ashtray, I look up at Cain out of the corner of my eye, and say "I call your bluff".
Show me your significance.
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 05:45 pm
Cain,
Hey, what is this? Twenty questions? :-)
*No, it's 14 and 1/2 questions..
I've never been declared anything other then "wierd". (see, I can't even spell weird right!)
*Roger that.
You said:
But I'm working on it. (re: lips sealed)
(re: lips sealed)I say:
Well hurry up already! (smile)
RE: working on your tan.
Uh huh, and painting your duck house green.
And....?
I'm having a little trouble reconciling the prior somewhat North reference, and duckhouses, and tanning.
Can you help me with that?
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 05:46 pm
Rudy,
Virginia
Author: Rudy
Posted: Mon Oct 22 2001 10:41 pm
I don't wanna play anymore...I suck and it isn't fun so bye and enjoy yourselves (and others)!
Author: Virginia
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 12:32 am
Rudy,
Ok, I understand. I'm sure you don't "suck", it is a pretty steep gradient, that's all.
I get to play where I don't usually get to, and am having fun, and this seems the only place to find Citizen Cain, so here we are!
Virginia
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 06:40 am
Blondie said:
>>Is that "snow white" tan?
Yeah, it's snow white. So kiss me. :-)
Virginia said:
>>Show me your significance.
Cain gets a straight faced look, throws his cards, face down, on the table, reaches for his beer and says "Nada".
With only two other people in the world, why is she looking for a third, he wonders as he shuffles the cards, closely watching her reaction...
One time while doing some trs in class, I was bullbaiting my twin by creating some objects around her and then having those objects sort of "impinge" on her. She would start to laugh and say something like "What are you doing?", knowing something was going on but not sure exactly what. She was the only one around that actually had any sort of theta perception. Pearls are few and far between, and when I run across one, it really makes my day.
Virginia, you are a pearl.
oh, by the way. The duck house is Dark Hunter green. For some reason 'Hunter' escaped me at the time.
Last, but not least, Virginia had this to say to Rudy:
>>Ok, I understand. I'm sure you don't "suck"...
Rudy, I agree with Virginia.
Author: Scipher
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 06:43 am
Hi there everybody!
This is a bit off-topic, but I really wanted to share some of the fun I am having here.
I just bought very cheaply a Sega Dreamcast console and now have internet access from home! Ha! I'm reading FZA from my beadroom!! And all for 10 times less the cost of buying a computer. Ha!
Author: Eternity
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 06:54 am
Cool Scipher! Yeah, that's pretty cool how the Sega Dreamcast drastically went down in price. I have a Playstation 2, which tends to produce better quality games on average. I don't know what I'm gonna do about X-box and Gamecube. You have a beadroom!?!? Why would you have a room designated for just beads?
Author: Scipher
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 07:37 am
Hey Eternity,
Ah well, this is one of the drawbacks of console internet access - spelling goes down the proverbial drain. At the office I usualy write in MS Word and then cut and paste.
Now anybody can see if I'm at work or in my 'beadroom' - just look out for spelling mistakes
Author: Blondie
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 07:44 am
Hi Cane,
Should have said "sno white" tan, but thanks for the kiss!
Author: Blondie
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 07:48 am
Oh Cain.
Hunter green eh? As in deer hunter? Head hunter?
Are there still ducks in the long lake?
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 08:11 am
Hi Blondie.
>>Should have said "sno white" tan...
So, white. That's why I'm working on my tan.
>>...but thanks for the kiss!
Do you know something I don't!?
>>Hunter green eh? As in deer hunter? Head hunter?
no, no, no. "Hunter" as in h-u-n-t-e-r. hun-ter.
heeeerrrreee little ducky.... :-)
>>Are there still ducks in the long lake?
I had the pond dug circular so that the ducks could get dizzy and have some fun. Sorta like the ok-corral. Heeeee-ya!
Those ducks aren't going no where. As a matter of fact, they practically run me down to get to the duck food. Pretty soon their gonna take that car out on the road and then all hell is REALLY gonna break loose!
Author: Blondie
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 11:50 am
Cain,
You said "Do you know something I don't?"
I said "Thanks for the kiss" in response to your "Yeah it's snow white, so kiss me." That's all.
If you keep feedin' those ducks, they have no reason to fly south!
Author: Virginia
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 02:24 pm
Blondie said:
>>Is that "snow white" tan?
Cain said:
Yeah, it's snow white. So kiss me. :-)
Hey you two, get a room will ya! Some flirting of the homosapien type going on around here.
Btw, are you single Cain?
Since Blondie kicked Dagwood to the curb, looks like Blondie is single. Hmmmmmm.
"Matchmaker matchmaker, make me a match, find me a find, catch me a catch"
Ok, ok, I was JUST KIDDING, gosh!
(smile)
Virginia said:
>>Show me your significance.
Cain gets a straight faced look, throws his cards, face down, on the table, reaches for his beer and says "Nada".
With only two other people in the world, why is she looking for a third, he wonders as he shuffles the cards, closely watching her reaction...
---Virginia keeps the "poker face" while thinking DAMN, that was GOOD! This is one intelligent guy, Players like this don't grow on trees...And he certainly got me on the point of inadvertently adding a third in on the significance known by only two other people-while adroitly keeping his cards to himself more or less. VERY good.
Virginia while looking at Cain in a new light, signals the waiter, and orders a virgin pina colada.
Meanwhile she continues to weigh this interesting move by Cain. Hmm, Cain says Nada, and throws the cards face DOWN on the table)
Watching Cain shuffle his cards, and seeing the waiter approaching with her drink, Virginia then decides what to do.
After tipping the waiter generously, Sitting back in her chair, she sips at her drink while eyeing Cain.
Slowly sitting forward, putting the drink on the table, she says in a low voice, shall I ask to see your cards, or shall we play a new hand?
Cain looks up from his task of shuffling his cards, and ...........
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One time while doing some trs in class, I was bullbaiting my twin by creating some objects around her and then having those objects sort of "impinge" on her. She would start to laugh and say something like "What are you doing?", knowing something was going on but not sure exactly what. She was the only one around that actually had any sort of theta perception. Pearls are few and far between, and when I run across one, it really makes my day.
Virginia, you are a pearl.
-Although the words may be overused, and do not always symbolize well a full concept, I will use them anyway, and rely on you to receive the full concept of my communication.
Thank you.
I enjoyed your TR's story, immensely, it was like candy to me.
--
oh, by the way. The duck house is Dark Hunter green. For some reason 'Hunter' escaped me at the time.
--
The significance of the above escapes me,as to the actual concept you mean to relay, you may have to try a different significance.
Virginia
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 05:52 pm
Blondie, you're probably going to groan at the logic of this, but here goes:
>I say: I'm working on my tan (I'm out of the game for a tad)
>you say "snow white tan"
>I say "kiss me" (after eating the poison apple Snow White gets woken up by the prince)
>you say "thanks for the kiss"
>I say "Do you know something I don't?" (as in, "Hey baby, who's kissing who?" :-) )
Yeah, it's wacky.
Kynuck Kynuck Kynuck!
>If you keep feedin' those ducks, they have no reason to fly south!
Good response. I tried cutting back and even skipping a few days. They'd start to forage more but those little quackers were getting more and more hungry. They would look at me and say "Mama, where's the food? How come you don't feed us anymore?"
So I went to the garage, found some oak lumber that the previous owner left behind and built a duckhouse that will probably last the next 100 years or so. Built a great big feeder too. Painted it all Dark Hunt-er :-) green and here we are. Funny how things turn out.
And I did it all while working on my tan. ;-)
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 06:00 pm
Virginia says
>>Btw, are you single Cain?
Is that a cat I hear in the background? ummmm, the answer is no.
>>"Matchmaker matchmaker, make me a match, find me a find, catch me a catch"
la la la la, you got a catchy tune, there...
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>>Cain looks up from his task of shuffling his cards, and ...........
Giving Virginia a cursory look in the eyes, Cain gets an eerie feeling that he is being set up. He's heard of this dame before and reassures himself that THIS time, he ain't gonna be played like a cheap poker game. He knows his beer is running out and that so are his options. She's clever, REAL clever.
Cain slowly pulls out his timepiece and clicks open the front piece. Noticing the time he nods his head ever so slightly and returns the timepiece to his pocket. Leaning forward with his elbow on the table and resting his chin on his curled fingers he gazes into Virginia's eyes. Tilting his head toward the bar, he asks in a soft, quiet voice "Who's the waiter?"...
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Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Tues Oct 23 2001 06:51 pm
Virginia said:
>>Thank you.
Ok. Got it. :-)
>>I enjoyed your TR's story, immensely, it was like candy to me.
Roger that. I know what you mean.
It should be the rule, not the exception.
>>--
>>oh, by the way. The duck house is Dark Hunter green. For
>>some reason 'Hunter' escaped me at the time.
>>--
>>The significance of the above escapes me,as to the actual concept you mean to relay,
>>you may have to try a different significance.
Yeah, I wonder why. :-).
Some things have more significance than others and at other times they have none whatsoever. :-)
Those ducks are really smart, though...
Author: Virginia
Posted: Wed Oct 24 2001 01:09 am
Cain:
Virginia says
>>Btw, are you single Cain?
You said:
Is that a cat I hear in the background?
*I didn't know you had a cat, I thought you didn't LIKE cats!
(grin)
You said to my question are you single:
ummmm, the answer is no.
I had a diplomatic answer in mind, forgot what it was.
(grin)
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>>Cain looks up from his task of shuffling his cards, and ...........
Giving Virginia a cursory look in the eyes, Cain gets an eerie feeling that he is being set up. He's heard of this dame before and reassures himself that THIS time, he ain't gonna be played like a cheap poker game. He knows his beer is running out and that so are his options. She's clever, REAL clever.
Cain slowly pulls out his timepiece and clicks open the front piece. Noticing the time he nods his head ever so slightly and returns the timepiece to his pocket. Leaning forward with his elbow on the table and resting his chin on his curled fingers he gazes into Virginia's eyes. Tilting his head toward the bar, he asks in a soft, quiet voice "Who's the waiter?"...
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Virginia smiles sweetly at Cain, and says Now Cain honey, you should know who the waiter is, but I'll give you a clue. Waiters wait, and some waiters have been waiting a LONG time for you to make an order.
Virginia sits back in her chair, lights a cigarette, and idly blows smoke rings while waiting for that one to sink in.
Cain has a suitably blank look on his face, revealing nothing.
Virginia thinks to herself, he knows I am setting him up to show me his significance, one way or the other, that much is clear. He is good, REAL good.
Virginia leans forward, stabs out her cigarette in the ashtray, steeples her fingers in front of her mouth, and directly looks into Cain's eyes.
Minutes pass, and then Cain......
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Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Wed Oct 24 2001 01:11 am
Yeah, I wonder why. :-).
Some things have more significance than others and at other times they have none whatsoever. :-)
Those ducks are really smart, though...
*Clear as mud, I'll let you and Mike do all that manly duck hunting talk.
:-)
Virginia
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Wed Oct 24 2001 08:48 am
>>*I didn't know you had a cat, I thought you didn't LIKE cats!
I told you, I LIKE ducks! :-)
>I had a diplomatic answer in mind, forgot what it was.
No, I don't hear a cat in the background, do you?
:-)
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Virginia smiles sweetly at Cain, and says Now Cain honey, you should know who the waiter is, but I'll give you a clue. Waiters wait, and some waiters have been waiting a LONG time for you to make an order.
Virginia sits back in her chair, lights a cigarette, and idly blows smoke rings while waiting for that one to sink in.
Cain has a suitably blank look on his face, revealing nothing.
Virginia thinks to herself, he knows I am setting him up to show me his significance, one way or the other, that much is clear. He is good, REAL good.
Virginia leans forward, stabs out her cigarette in the ashtray, steeples her fingers in front of her mouth, and directly looks into Cain's eyes.
Minutes pass, and then Cain......
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Cain shifts uneasily in his chair, knowing that his time is running out. "The waiter", he says to himself. Damn. Should have seen that one coming. She IS playing me like a cheap poker game.
Cain watches the rings of smoke slowly winding themselves upward, one after the other. They captivate his attention, drawing him on. Yeah, it's the rings...
Suddenly getting a thirst, he looks at his beer glass only to find it empty. He begins to think about ordering up another, but gets a better idea.
"Virginia, order me up another beer and let's see what happens."
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Author: Virginia
Posted: Wed Oct 24 2001 04:19 pm
>>*I didn't know you had a cat, I thought you didn't LIKE cats!
I told you, I LIKE ducks! :-)
Hey now, here's another possibility for ya. You had said originally..
"Is that a cat I hear in the background? Ummmm, the answer is no"
Now, Cainie baby, you "could" have been simply answering your own question as to whether you hear a cat in the background.
But you wouldn't do something like THAT.
(smile)
So, we'll just chalk it up to Status: Unknown. For now, k?
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Virginia smiles sweetly at Cain, and says Now Cain honey, you should know who the waiter is, but I'll give you a clue. Waiters wait, and some waiters have been waiting a LONG time for you to make an order.
Virginia sits back in her chair, lights a cigarette, and idly blows smoke rings while waiting for that one to sink in.
Cain has a suitably blank look on his face, revealing nothing.
Virginia thinks to herself, he knows I am setting him up to show me his significance, one way or the other, that much is clear. He is good, REAL good.
Virginia leans forward, stabs out her cigarette in the ashtray, steeples her fingers in front of her mouth, and directly looks into Cain's eyes.
Minutes pass, and then Cain......
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Cain shifts uneasily in his chair, knowing that his time is running out. "The waiter", he says to himself. Damn. Should have seen that one coming. She IS playing me like a cheap poker game.
Cain watches the rings of smoke slowly winding themselves upward, one after the other. They captivate his attention, drawing him on. Yeah, it's the rings...
Suddenly getting a thirst, he looks at his beer glass only to find it empty. He begins to think about ordering up another, but gets a better idea.
"Virginia, order me up another beer and let's see what happens."
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Virginia rises from the table, and straightening her skirt, she cracks a smile and with a wicked glance, say "Certainly, Cain," and walk off to find the waiter.
Virginia comes back, accompanied by the waiter, watching Cain closely for a spark of recognition. The waiter comes up to Cain, and says, "Is that all you want to order is a BEER? There are so many other good things on the menu here, perhaps I'll give you a few minutes to peruse the menu." The Waiter passes a folded up piece of paper to Cain, glances sideways at Virginia,leans close, kisses her on the cheek, and says "I'll be over there, just in case".
Cain appears a bit stunned for some reason and thinks to himself, "did I hear a knyuck knyuck knyuck from the waiter?"
Virginia sits back down, crosses her legs, and leans back in her chair, and idly looks around the establishment. Wondering if Cain knows just WHERE he really is.
Will Cain make an order that is in-etiquette for the Monte Carlo establishment that he is in or will he continue to think he is in a Harlem poker club?....to be continued.
Opening next scene... Cain looks at the folded up piece of paper in front of him on the table and ..........
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Virginia
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