CORONER'S REPORT AND NEW TIME TRACK ENTRY ON WEBSITE NOW
Author: Virginia
Posted: Sun Oct 14 2001 02:40 pm
25 January 1986
The Coroner's Report found 10 (ten) needle puncture wounds under a bandaide on LRH's buttock.
It also found Vistaril in his bloodstream.
Coroners Report
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The above is the new timetrack entry entered by Mike, if you go to www.scientologyintegrity.org (or www.reformedscientology.org) and click on Index, then click on data section of eval, then click on 1986, and then find the above entry, the words "coroners report" are a link, which when clicked on, will take you to the reports.
Virginia
Author: FreeThought^2
Posted: Sun Oct 14 2001 03:42 pm
Thank-you Virginia....
Now was all that inval and eval really necessary if you had the data, the facts....
I probably would have believed it if you presented it to me without launching a character assassination on me....
I look forward to going on your website, and seeing for myself.....
But because of the way you REACTED, I personally won't be fully satisfied without getting my own hard copy....
Nevertheless, it is Efforts of yours like these, why I became I fan,
If I must also be an opponent, because YOU elected me as such, then so be it....
I lose nothing if you are vindicated,
We all win when the truth is better known and understood!
Author: deadagent
Posted: Sun Oct 14 2001 10:07 pm
Vistaril
This is a compound used for control of nausea and anxiety. Vistaril also has some minor analgesic properties.
From Educational Resources
Author: curious about ...
Posted: Sun Oct 14 2001 10:08 pm
Freethought
I appreciate your pursuit of the truth.
Author: FreeThought^2
Posted: Mon Oct 15 2001 03:38 am
Thank-you, curious!!...I must add again, I do appreciate Virginia's wealth of data...but not her craziness towards myself, her slants, her inability to understand the differences between FACT and RUMOR (rumors can be Facts, You just need the supporting data )
DA, goodjob.......
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Mon Oct 15 2001 06:42 am
This report has been available for god knows how long on the net. For the life of me, I don't know why so much importance is placed upon Virginia to PROVE that this document exists when all that needs to be done is to SIMPLY LOOK FOR IT. It's called "finding the truth out for yourself." Don't be afraid to find out, and for god's sake don't make someone else responsible for delivering the "truth" to your front door.
"We all win when the truth is better known and understood!"
Implanter motto.
Talk about the Shades of Night...
This settles it then, thank you.
Author: Worsel
Posted: Mon Oct 15 2001 09:04 am
FreeThought
I gotta agree with Citizen Cane on this one point - "SIMPLY LOOK FOR IT"
Do you not know how to use a search engine?
PS: There were PLENTY of posts about vistaril on ARS which you can find via google.
Author: Virginia
Posted: Mon Oct 15 2001 04:35 pm
VISTARIL:
Category
Antianxiety agent--Hydroxyzine
Antiasthmatic--Astemizole; Cetirizine; Loratadine; Terfenadine
Antidyskinetic--Diphenhydramine
Antiemetic--Dimenhydrinate; Diphenhydramine; Hydroxyzine (parenteral)
Antihistaminic, H 1 -receptor--Astemizole; Azatadine; Brompheniramine; Cetirizine; Chlorpheniramine; Clemastine; Cyproheptadine; Dexchlorpheniramine; Dimenhydrinate; Diphenhydramine; Doxylamine; Hydroxyzine; Loratadine; Phenindamine; Terfenadine; Tripelennamine
Antitussive--Diphenhydramine Syrup
Antivertigo agent--Dimenhydrinate; Diphenhydramine
Appetite stimulant--Cyproheptadine
Sedative-hypnotic--Diphenhydramine; Doxylamine; Hydroxyzine
Vascular headache suppressant--Cyproheptadine
Description
Antihistamines are used to relieve or prevent the symptoms of hay fever and other types of allergy. They work by preventing the effects of a substance called histamine, which is produced by the body. Histamine can cause itching, sneezing, runny nose, and watery eyes. Also, in some persons histamine can close up the bronchial tubes (air passages of the lungs) and make breathing difficult.
Some of the antihistamines are also used to prevent motion sickness, nausea, vomiting, and dizziness. In patients with Parkinson's disease, diphenhydramine may be used to decrease stiffness and tremors. Also, the syrup form of diphenhydramine is used to relieve the cough due to colds or hay fever. In addition, since antihistamines may cause drowsiness as a side effect, some of them may be used to help people go to sleep.
Hydroxyzine is used in the treatment of nervous and emotional conditions to help control anxiety. It can also be used to help control anxiety and produce sleep before surgery.
Antihistamines may also be used for other conditions as determined by your doctor.
Some antihistamine preparations are available only with your doctor's prescription. Others are available without a prescription. However, your doctor may have special instructions on the proper dose of the medicine for your medical condition.
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The above is the results found from research by a scientologist still in the church, sent to me privately.
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Mon Oct 15 2001 04:37 pm
Citizen,
Yes, I agree, it does settle it then re: Freethought.
Shades of night indeed.
Virginia
Author: FreeThought^2
Posted: Tues Oct 16 2001 05:31 am
actually it was Ron i think who said, "If things were a little better known and understood, we would all lead happier lives...." but i cant remember what article or book....
so cain, ...what problem did have with my paraphrase of the above with, "We all win when the truth is better known and understood!"
They both seem self evident to me!
Author: Virginia
Posted: Tues Oct 16 2001 10:12 am
Cain etc,
Well FINALLY!
Looks like some handlers woke up from their nap or something and put a leash on freethought.
Good thing too, Freethought was heading to do exactly what John did, and that wouldn't be good for security at all.
Unfortunately, let's not get too excited, it seems freethought et al might be thinking of taking another crack at it.
We will see.
I guess freethought totally missed that what the shades of night meant in reference to theirself and espousing truth while lying and putting disinformation there.
Or not.
I think it's a combination of that, and screwing up aligning himself with the taken over church as to view of me, same as John, same as Tommy, same as BB, same as etc. etc. etc. etc.
(Intel is a small world really)
Which reminds me, whoever is the gopher for the board and relays my comm to appropriate Intel, please relay the following.
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HIYA K.O.G.!
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Virginia
Author: FreeThought^2
Posted: Wed Oct 17 2001 02:40 am
Virginia,
so if I understand you right, the shades of night reference was about how a person can mix lies and delusion like
:"Looks like some handlers woke up from their nap or something and put a leash on freethought.
Good thing too, Freethought was heading to do exactly what John did, and that wouldn't be good for security at all. "
with actual fact....like you just did....I would mind less if you just finished the plot holes. You are going to MAKE THEM UP anyway...so just do it all at once, make it good, and maybe some publisher will give you real money for it...
how about a title like "Psy corp vol 1 : Agent Virginia'a battle for the FREE(zone) mind "...
BTW it's very bad sportsmanship to keep attacking John after you drove him from the board. Trying to pretend I am him isnt going to cut it, or make it so. I'm not a religious ideologue, ( like either of you ) nor am I filled with delusions of such grandeur as you both are. At least John's was properly diagnosed. There is another type of case where the persons insanity doesnt show in eruptions but runs all the time, ALL the persons reason becoming a circuit for that. I find it very telling another poster recently asked if you ever stopped COMPUTING. And interesting that this reference was LOST on you. Obviously curious has read Adavanced Procedures and AXIOMS....
Author: Virginia
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 02:20 am
I said:
:"Looks like some handlers woke up from their nap or something and put a leash on freethought.
Didn't like that one eh freethought?
Little too close to home for ya.
So the above was IT? That was your reply?
That was the best you can do?
I hope you realise how much data you keep screwing up and giving to me, while you think you are "getting" me.
But you probably don't, so oh well.
For example, "book plots"?
That is a rather interesting slip of the tongue, so to speak.
Thanks for doing that.
I'll let you think about what I mean by that, you'll get it eventually, or...
maybe not.
----------end comm to Agent UNfreethought, here to UNfree the FREEZONE (as defined by CBR)
To Readers:
So now, freethought is supposedly a scientologist, ok, and as a scientologist should NOT be supporting psychiatry.
John is an admitted supporter of psychiatry, and is on psych meds, and talks freely about the wonderfulness of getting properly diagnosed, and then getting the proper meds.
Freethought just said:
"..nor am I filled with delusions of such grandeur as you both are. At least John's was properly diagnosed."
No scientologist worth their salt would EVER try and agree with psychiatry in the way freethought just did.
That's really gross of freethought. Even I refused to agree with John's diagnosis, and his taking of psych meds as any kind of "proper diagnosis",or workable method to help him, but freethought in their totally singleminded intent to destroy directed towards me, WILL agree with psychiatry, if it can somehow be used towards me.Not to mention the somewhat less than direct accusations that I am a "computing psychotic".
Freethought is getting a little too close to OSA indicators here with this supporting of psychiatric practices towards a scientologist, amongst other things.
But Mike will post about all that, for educational purposes primarily.
Anyone here ever read what LRH said about the "You are crazy" accusation?
Last ditch effort of little boys, in other words, children, when they can't win.
(loosely paraphrased)
That's Freethought in a nutshell, can't win and has a tantrun like a child about it.
Virginia
Author: pj
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 02:50 am
Here is the proof Virginia is outa control (to put it mildly)..
>>>>>So now, freethought is supposedly a scientologist, ok, and as a scientologist should NOT be supporting psychiatry.
Communicating with someone on psych meds does not equal supporting psychiatry..
>>>>>John is an admitted supporter of psychiatry, and is on psych meds, and talks freely about the wonderfulness of getting properly diagnosed, and then getting the proper meds.
And talks freely....(how terrible).
Then you should offer a better solution, if you know everything so darned well !
You don't have one so you drive him (John) off the board, to give yourself an easy way out of the problem..
Eventhough I don't agree with psychiatry, at least the psychs are offering John something that he seems to be content with..
Psychiatry may be bad but the Cof$ is infinitely worse..
-pj
Author: Virginia
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 03:32 am
Pj,
Your idea of proof is a rather interesting not covered in any dictionary one.
Must be that MU phenomena on the English language you were compaining about on another thread.
And, WHO said anything about freethought COMMUNICATING WITH someone on Psych meds?
Not I.
Better read my post again, get out the English dictionary.
"Psychiatry may be bad but the Cof$ is infinitely worse.. "
Now, that isn't as far off the mark as you usually are PJ, for once.
Althought it is a bit of a generality, but let's not quibble.
But let's say it like this.. Psychiatry may be bad but the IMPLANTERS in the Church, posing as keeping "true" the bridge to total freedom, are on a similar order of magnitude as to how "bad" Psychiatry can be and VERY often is.
You said:
Then you should offer a better solution, if you know everything so darned well !
I say;
I did point him to some possible solutions,and so did others as I recall, without even involving scientology, actually.
What did YOU offer him?
Support for taking mind altering drugs?
Great PJ, real effective.
Virginia
Author: pj
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 04:45 am
>>>>>>What did YOU offer him?
Getting in comm, exchanging idea's, humor, discussing our viewpoints/philosophies, passing on relevant information and moral support..to name but a few..
While you were stalking him all over the board, treating him like a child and patronizing/demonizing the guy.
Real nice, obviously you thought he didn't have enough problems as it is ?
-pj-
Author: pj
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 05:09 pm
He'll be coming back though, he alway does...
-pj-
Author: Bud
Posted: Thur Oct 18 2001 06:47 pm
Yes, he'll be back. Currently he's going through the depressive phase of his bipolar cycle, but when he comes back he'll be as abusive as ever. It's nothing to laugh about. According to an article about it that I read in "The Australian" newspaper last week, some people commit suicide because of that disorder.
Yet Virginia was the only one here who showed any real understanding of John. She was so kind, patient, helpful and loving towards him, like she would be to her own son, and her attitude did her great credit, despite the abuse he showered on her.
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 01:56 am
Bud,
Thank you, are you the guy that posted to me before about understanding John?
Or was that someone else..
Just curious.
Virginia
Author: Bud
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 03:54 am
Yes, same Bud.
Author: pj
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 09:09 am
Bud, you are friggin biased..
So I suppose it was me that harassed the guy off the board ?
You may as well claim that and go full circle on this reversal of actuality...
From where I am standing the comm cycles were not like you described at all..
-pj-
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 03:51 pm
Pj,
From where you are standing, delusion, of course you don't see anything like what actually happened.
Virginia
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 03:52 pm
Bud,
Ok, thanks for letting me know.
Virginia
Author: pj
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 06:25 pm
>>>>>of course you don't see anything like what actually happened.
I can see perfectly well what happened, that's why you are a scio droid and I am not..
-pj-
Author: FreeThought^2
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 06:33 pm
Because of a recent condition of mine: Having a real life...I haven't bothered to comment on every single lie and distortion put out by Virginia!!
Virginia ,
Your Ethics are WAY OUT! You said, "but freethought in their totally singleminded intent to destroy directed towards me, WILL agree with psychiatry, if it can somehow be used towards me."
all of this is JUST BLACK PR!! Virginia knows very well as a Scientologist, I dont support Psych drugs, mixing Scientology with Psychiatry, or Psychiatric anything!
I file this under :critical, hostile and invalidative remarks.
The second mixed-in lie is that I have a purpose to destroy Virginia. Perhaps she has a purpose to destroy me and this is how she voices it. The Converse is also not true!
And poking fun of your arrogance is agreeing with Psychiatry...what r u doing when you say to pj,
"From where you are standing, delusion, of course you don't see anything like what ". Sounds like what I said to you. Flunk for not having an original thought. Flunk for getting caught criticizing others for what you do yourself
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 08:06 pm
repost for readers in relation to UNthought's dropped out time response above.
Unthought said above:
"Virginia knows very well as a Scientologist, I dont support Psych drugs, mixing Scientology with Psychiatry, or Psychiatric anything!"
Here is UNthought's supporting of psychiatric type diagnosis, quoted in below repost
--repost
To Readers:
So now, freethought is supposedly a scientologist, ok, and as a scientologist should NOT be supporting psychiatry.
John is an admitted supporter of psychiatry, and is on psych meds, and talks freely about the wonderfulness of getting properly diagnosed, and then getting the proper meds.
Freethought just said:
"..nor am I filled with delusions of such grandeur as you both are. At least John's was properly diagnosed."
No scientologist worth their salt would EVER try and agree with psychiatry in the way freethought just did.
That's really gross of freethought. Even I refused to agree with John's diagnosis, and his taking of psych meds as any kind of "proper diagnosis",or workable method to help him, but freethought in their totally singleminded intent to destroy directed towards me, WILL agree with psychiatry, if it can somehow be used towards me.Not to mention the somewhat less than direct accusations that I am a "computing psychotic".
Freethought is getting a little too close to OSA indicators here with this supporting of psychiatric practices towards a scientologist, amongst other things.
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Virginia
Author: CitizenCain
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 08:31 pm
When playing a winning hand, it's sometimes best to say...
READ 'EM AND WEEP!
Author: Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 19 2001 09:14 pm
Citizen,
Ya, I know...
ROTFL.
Virginia
Author: pj
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 04:46 am
Hi Freethought,
>>>>And poking fun of your arrogance is agreeing with
>>>>Psychiatry...what r u doing when you say to pj,
>>>>"From where you are standing, delusion, of course you
>>>>don't see anything like what ". Sounds like what I said
>>>>to you. Flunk for not having an original thought. Flunk
>>>>for getting caught criticizing others for what you do
>>>>yourself
Freethought, you are not alone as more and more of us are becoming aware of Virginia's 1.1 nature, flagrant out-ethics and it is becoming abundantly clear she is some kind of a psycho (or SP)...
In the words of ONEOTXV....
>>>>*** and Virginia are both idiots. Shogun at least
>>>>pretends to be for clearing, even if it is only
>>>>Filbert. You guys make no pretense at all.
>>>>>You just keep on puking entheta, rolling around in it,
>>>>>and trying to get people to think it is good stuff.
Anyhow well said to both of you, I'll chalk up one more member on my list of what I have affectionately named "The non-Virginia fan coalition" (aka the FNA (FreeZone Northern Alliance))..
Lemme me see what we got so far shall we ?
[The un-official FNA membership list]
PJ 
BasicBasic
John
Static8008
ONEOTXV
FreeThought^2
Worsel
I am sure I left a coupla guys out, Who else can we chalk up Freethought ?
-pj-
Author: Professor Pifflefuffle
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 07:00 am
pj, you must be the OSA plant that has been
alluded to here for so long.
Hope your having fun at other people expense,
but that is the hallmark of OSA,
who believe only they are right and
everyone else is wog or SP.
Author: pj
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 07:52 am
Hey who the heck are you ?
Use your own handle piffle..
-pj-
Author: Worsel
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 10:12 am
>Anyhow well said to both of you, I'll chalk up one more member on my list of what I have affectionately named "The non-Virginia fan coalition" (aka the FNA (FreeZone Northern
Alliance))..
>Lemme me see what we got so far shall we ?
[The un-official FNA membership list]
PJ
BasicBasic
John
Static8008
ONEOTXV
FreeThought^2
Worsel
Again, I do not belong to any FNA. My comm is my own. I do not exist on this board to take "sides" between pro/anti Virginia, even though there doesn't seem to be much else going on around here. I do enjoy the wins/successes posted here, and just about anything else that isn't about accusing folks of being dupes/enslavers/implanters/agents/handlers/liars/OSA as some people post about constantly and boringly.
Author: pj
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 11:07 am
Worsel,
Ooooops, lets make that...
[The un-official FNA membership list (revised)]
PJ
BasicBasic
John
Static8008
ONEOTXV
FreeThought^2
Would want you to get worsel, just want you to get bettel ;)
-pj-
Author: pj
Posted: Sat Oct 20 2001 11:08 am
Worsel,
Ooooops, lets make that...
[The un-official FNA membership list (revised)]
PJ
BasicBasic
John
Static8008
ONEOTXV
FreeThought^2
Wouldn't want you to get worsel, just want you to get bettel ;)
-pj-
Author: Professor Pifflefuffle
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 05:19 am
As an esteemed professor I take offense at
your continued rape of the english language.
You may be the next candidate for chemical castration.
Author: Bud
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 05:34 am
Virginia, I looked at the Coroner's Report last week and think it mentioned Ron's corpse as being 5 foot in length. Could you please check up and see if that's correct? This computer I'm using now doesn't enlarge the text on the document enough to be able to make it out.
I thought Ron was 6 feet tall. I remember reading that Scientologist Doug Moon, who met Ron when he visited the org in Melbourne, Australia in 1959, said he saw Ron bawling someone out in the Accounts section and he seemed to be about 6 feet tall, and I always thought that would have been his real form.
Author: Bud
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 05:56 am
Here are some posts from the Archive of the former doscussion board at http://www.fza.org/discus that deal with Ron's height and the possibility that he had a few official impersonators:
By Pathfinder on Thursday, August 12, 1999 - 07:36 pm:
Hi Survivor,
Do you know about how tall Ron was?
Pathfinder.
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By Survivor on Friday, August 13, 1999 - 02:59 am:
Hi Pathfinder,
My guess is that Ron was maybe 6 feet. I never looked at him with a curious eye to judge his height, but he was clearly taller than I. Of course back then he was biger than life itself!
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By Pathfinder on Friday, August 13, 1999 - 07:58 am:
Survivor,
Thank you for the info.
Pathfinder.
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By Ed H. on Friday, August 13, 1999 - 10:18 am:
A friend who was at SH said Ron was just over 6' in '62-63. Geoffrey Filbert posted a court document in a.r.s. a couple of weeks ago where he swore by his personal knowledge and experience that LRH had three bodies. He was about 5'1", size 6.5 shoe to about 1950, 5'7", 170 lbs, size 10 shoe till 1966, 6'2", over 200 lbs. size 13+ shoe after. The three LRHs had different personalities. The middle one was the tech finder, the third one Filbert didn't like at all.
Uh-huh...
I doubt he could have been a navy officer at 5'1. I think somewhere, **someone** else might have noticed this change in height if it was true!
The court filing "Filbert" posted was pathetic, incoherent with lots of misspellings, not remotely to the standard anyone would file in a court. I sure hope it is an OSA fakery because if it is real, Filbert has lost it altogether.
The argument he makes is that the second LRH gave him unlimited authority to compile and use the tech, and the 3rd LRH, being demonstrably a different physical person, therefore fake, had no legal right to deny Filbert's rights. Filbert said the church had never, ever hassled him so far because of that past agreement. Filbert was entering this into another court proceeding in order to get the judge to validate Filbert's past agreement. The judge said it's immaterial, it has no relation to the case at hand.
All the best, Ed
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By Pathfinder on Friday, August 13, 1999 - 11:58 am:
Hi Ed
I read the court filing different then you. I see it as three different people claiming to be LRH at SH. The 5ft. 1in. was American born and disappeared on Dec.23,1965. The tall guy that survivor knew was German born and the other guy was Swiss born. This is according to background investigations done by LBJ,Nelson Rockefellar and a Texas billionaire.
Pathfinder.
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Author: Worsel
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 12:19 pm
I have talked to many people over the years who knew LRH in the 50s, at St Hill and on the Apollo, who all said he was "about 6'" tall. There were also pictures of him I saw in the SO standing near furniture, other people, etc, which also indicated that same height.
Author: Virginia
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 02:22 pm
Bud,
I sent what you posted over to Mike, so he can check it out.
Will keep you apprised of what he finds, ok?
Virginia
Author: Bud
Posted: Sun Oct 21 2001 05:07 pm
OK, thanks.
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