What about GOD?
Author: churchie
Posted: Thur Dec 14 2000 09:11 pm
So here is one that doesn't get discussed in the church much. Maybe it can be out here. What about GOD? What about the "prime mover unmoved" as a force in our daily lives, as an actual being. What do you guys think? All implants? Or some truth under it all?
Author: maximus
Posted: Thur Dec 14 2000 11:14 pm
the COS doesnt care bout any god..
LRH could b their GOD..
or mesiah....
COS aint a religion 
its a cult
no supreme beings needed there.......
Author: lflewover
Posted: Fri Dec 15 2000 12:40 am
Hubbard mentioned that we have had plenty of religion on the track and there were plenty of places to find it in the present. He stated that his purpose was to enhance the spiritual ability and awareness of the being. Most religions do not or cannot differentiate the difference between religion and spirituality but there is a vast difference. Look up and define each one for your own understanding of the differences. I know of current or ex Scientologists who are almost every different religion though most tend to lean toward Eastern Religions or philosophies. For myself(OTV), I find I am much more spiritual and much more aware of my relationship to my God then when I was as a baptized and confirmed Christian. The people I am staying with (an OTVII and an OTV)she is a devout Catholic and he is a Christian minister and they seem to have no problem with it. Care to comment?
Author: Sir Rena Thee
Posted: Fri Dec 15 2000 01:35 am
Hubbard has stated that raising ones awareness
through auditing can make one a better whatever
it is you are, from car mechanic to surgeon to
icecream vendor.
Scientology embrases all religions rather that
reject them, if it is works the othere way around
is a different matter.
Sinds the current management is highly intolerant
itself of those with opposing views, it stands to
reason that the Cof$ is experiencing a great deal
of critisism itself.
Author: The Lurker
Posted: Fri Dec 15 2000 10:42 am
I got to comment...
Once long ago I remember taking a 'loyalty' test.
The question was do you believe Jesus Christ had access to the tech?
Got that one wrong because it was written by Elron dullard that Christ and God did not exist...
Go figure?
As for your OT bullshit... OTVIII is where LRH declares that he is god? or did you get the revised version?
The Lurker.
Author: lflewover
Posted: Fri Dec 15 2000 06:15 pm
The actual OTVIII has been out over 15 years. Anyone that I have talked to that has actually done the Cof$'s OT VIII says that the internet version that you are quoting is absolute bullshit. The end product of the real OTVIII is you have an even better understanding of your own part of the spiritual universe. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Hubbard. The version I intend to do has nothing like that in it.There are numerous copies of the actual Tech Vols around the internet. Look for yourself to see if you can find anything substantiating what you are saying. I am not talking about some idiots drivel about something made up. I know it may be hard to believe but not everything you read on the internet is true. There is virtually no process in Scientology where you are told what the end process or cognition is. Your experience is your experience. Otherwise the process would be suppressive or invalidative rather than expansive or enlightening. The following is a direct copy from the new Super Power Run Down concerning a rundown you might find interesting.
"The Nature of God R/D. That might seem like a heavy title for a rundown. It handles being apart from God. It brings back the love into Scientology that was so long missing."
And don't get me wrong I left from the Cos$ about 20 years ago because I found the management brutaly suppressive and unethical. I am not trying to sell you anything. I have both, my God and my OT levels.
Author: maximus
Posted: Sat Dec 16 2000 08:22 pm
OT is a bunch of crap
n so is Cof$ ...... don't care what u all may say...
Author: lflewover
Posted: Sun Dec 17 2000 12:08 am
Maximus
There is a non Scientology book you might find interesting. It is called 'The Great Religions by Which Men Live'. It, form a very neutral viewpoint, examines most of the major religions of the world. It is good for an overall viewpoint of religion. It is required reading on the ministers course.
May your God be with you
Author: Pater Peccavi
Posted: Sun Dec 17 2000 05:53 am
three additional years in hell to maximus as penalty for disrupting our sunday service.
Pater Peccavi, the Vicar
Author: Blork
Posted: Sun Dec 17 2000 08:44 am
Do you mean three additional years
in the RPF?
Author: Tom
Posted: Tues Dec 19 2000 01:27 pm
God?
If you define God as the God described in the old testiment, then the best reference for that is the old testiment, and I don't know what he does today. There are lots of religions, and many have a God, some have many. IF you mean the "one true God" then what is his qualification above other big spirits. "that he created the mest universe?" Well someone probably did create the mest universe, and it's not the only universe there is. LIke Ron said, the creator of the mest universe was a userper of ones own universe(if usurper is a word, I think he said usurper. Anyway, I dubbed in "one who takes over your universe).Regardless of if it is right or wrong to say so, the fact remains that the mest universe most certainly is not the only universe there is. If you doubt this, put up some anchor points and hold them for a while. I had all kinds of cognitions on this. I dont have full recall on incident one, but I know it reads on the meter.
To say thta there is only one big spirit is an invalidation of other spirits, who can be as effected by counter emotion as a guy in a body can be. No matter how determined a person may be to get into heaven, it's still an overt on the spirit dynamic to invalidate all spirits but one, the one who created this universe.
Most religions today are very low on the scale of "ability to tell differences". Participants are looking for a supernatural experience, and would welcome the devil if he would make their head shake or make them speak jibberish, especially with attention being such a valuable commodity. Scientolog6 is a more exact study than most religions, which just say "worship God, or believe or take God into your heart or give your problems over to GOd. It's a more exact science.
My biggest reason for believeing in God when I was a kid was that lots of people agreed on it. AS FOR NOW, THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE A GOD, BUT IT DESERVES NO MORE PONDERING THAN WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A BIG GREEN BLOB IN THE CENTER OF VENUS.(woops hit caps key). There may be a big green blob in the center of Vneus or there may not, but to tell you the truth, I'm not all that curious about the answer.
Author: complexio
Posted: Tues Dec 19 2000 09:53 pm
I know this is a little off topic but I was reading the segment in L Kin on the GERD. L Kin
refers to the GE as "her". Why does he refer to
the GE in the feminine. I thinks it's an interesting analogy.
Author: OTFreezoner
Posted: Wed Dec 20 2000 02:17 pm
WHAZZUP - I am barely on Grade 0 Approaching Clear and I am a Mormon (WEIRD HUH), well I know of several Mormons who are Scientology Minded - IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE WAY I THINK ABOUT GOD, OR ANYTHING ELSE
Author: Tom
Posted: Wed Dec 20 2000 03:41 pm
YOu know, something interesting that I've noticed lately is that it IS true that the Jews have been persecuted throughtout history, and even though I'm not much on history, it looks like from Egypt and Moses to present day, it's like this one group that comes down on the jews. I know some "masionic believers that talk about Revelations and how the Bible has been perverted, and how all of these secret groups and satanism groups, big banks rackefellers and Rothchilds are talked about in the bible, and they talk about how the teachings of Jesus were perverted for political reasons. They aught to kbnow, they speak HEBREW and can read the original manuscripts. (I read about this too, like political reasons. the council of Niccia in 500 ad, something like that. Could be the same group, or a branch that perverted Scientology)The groups that are allied with magic and satanism, you know, illuminati/bankers all of those guys, they do have roots in magic and that seems like ti goes back to egypt with the oppression of the Jews.Jews that speak Hebrew can read the original Christian scriptures, and they KNOW that the bible has been perverted. More importantly, the massionic believers are feared opponents of the bad guys. It seems like if only the Christian church could be enlightend to original , straight from the hebrew manuscript bibles that they might be enlightned to some real situations. The code of a Scientologst ssays to ally Scientology with public groups. CHristainity is the single most powerful force on this planet, but it is currently and temporarilily subdued by alterations in the bible. Not only that but the masionic beleivers seem to be the biggest most feared opponents of the big bank/rockefeeler satanist crowed. (think about it, Jesus teaching about not being materialistc, and placining your value in heavenly things, as opposed to the banks enforcing materialism and creating systems of economic control, based on fear and scarcity. I know that this sounds like nonsense fto some people, but I don't havre time to explain. Just hopw some people know what I'm talking about.
Tom
Author: Tom
Posted: Wed Dec 20 2000 03:43 pm
In other words Why were the Jews opposed ? Could it be that as a group they were seen as a threat? This may be true, but one thing that they need to understand is that this one fact that they have never quite grasped.They need to take responsiblity for force. Also doesn't the bible say that the Savior would return from the clouds or from the sky or some such thing? Could be
Cyberspace, ya think?
Author: complexio
Posted: Wed Dec 20 2000 07:06 pm
Why were the Jews opposed? I think it's all about
the survival issue. My tribe will survive over your tribe. Homosapiens can be violent and brutal when survival is threatened. In contrast to that,the message of Christ was one of "Survival is not the real issue. Watch what I do." He walked right into his own bodily death.
I think our strength is in our spiritual diversity. Ethnocentricity is nonsurvival for man as a whole. There will continue to be wars until the world realizes this. The world is becoming a cultural melting pot more and more everyday. Hopefully, our melting pot will be a peaceful one in the future.
Author: complexio
Posted: Wed Dec 20 2000 07:30 pm
As far as implants are concerned. I think many gods are a product of mans creative spirit. As spiritual evolution continues our religions and gods will evolve as well. The Jesus of today is much different than the Jesus of the 16th century.
I think were seeing a lot more of the mystical Christ get into many christian churches. Even
some of the so called occult wisdom is showing up
in modern christianity. Is this all just an implant? To say this is all an implant in some
way seems to invalidate mans creative spirit. Afterall, isn't that saying we didn't invent any of this. It was just implanted. None of it is original. It's all just an implant. How creative?
That concept really stimulates my creativity.
Author: Hakita
Posted: Fri Dec 22 2000 12:35 am
Hi-
I'm a Christian Scientist and a Scientologist, and I've honestly found that Scientology seems to bridge the gap between everyday life and "godliness," as CS alone seems very austere and inaccessable. Scientology raises one to the level where they are able to begin cognizing the teachings of Christian Science (if that's their persuasion, not trying to convert anyone here).
Author: xenia
Posted: Fri Dec 22 2000 05:11 pm
visions of heaven, angels sittings on pink clouds playing the lute, or tailed, forked and batwinged devils tormenting the sinner, are likely candidates for implanted pictures.
the seventh dynamic is the dynamic of spirits, including thetans existing in and out of bodies, and some that are higher on the tone scale than homo sap might chose to present themselves as lights, angels, whatever.
The eighth dynamic is the one above the seventh.
Xenia, the BT Princess
Author: complexio
Posted: Sat Dec 23 2000 04:32 am
Hakita,
FYI- Have you looked at Excalibur Revisited in
the Tech section? Filbert validates your view
of Christian Science.
Author: Tom
Posted: Sat Dec 23 2000 07:49 pm
Just because something is implanted doesn't mean that it doesn't or can't exist, or can't be mocked up.Isn't there something in Creation of Huiman ability about enforcing a basic truth to screw people up.
Author: xenia
Posted: Sun Dec 24 2000 08:27 am
So is there a launderette in the sky where thetans in between lives are spun around and forget everything and start a new lifetime and seek a new body?
But surely it isn't run by a deity.
Xenia, the BT Princess
Author: Tom
Posted: Mon Jan 08 2001 10:14 am
When an MU is cleared, communication breaks resolve. Have you ever heard a line in a song "the Lone Ranger killed ole Tonto, when he found out what Kemosobi meant. "?
It's good to have a sstandard definition, but a standard, from the dictionary, definition isn't going to resolve a communication break as much as understanding what the communication source meant by the word. A word can have hundreds of definitions in society, meaning it can have lots of agreed upon meanings. In order to clear up a misundersatnding, it is only necessary to clear up waht the speaker meant by the word, regardless of what the standard definition is.
Some people by "God" mean:the serenity of goodness, and some mean:the vengent all powerful being from the hebrew old testiment, and some mean:anything profound or sublime, and some mean:the creator of the universe.
These do not have different and seperate defitions, and some religions say that these all refer to the same person, while other religions would not even think of a "wrathful god without mercy.The way that things work out is really cool sometimes and I could, for lack of a beter word say "it was God, by which I mean that the events and turns and twists of life speak of something higher than myself. And there is something to the serenity of goodness, because when you do what you know is right, space is a lot easier to control and less full of random automaticities, or so it seems to me.
If God means that which is necessary for the existance of kindness", then I am all for God. Kindess, thoughtfulness doing what is right, all makes for clean sopace, which is a great feeling, and the oppositie is also true. A guilty conscience isn;t a good thing.
So, in summary,word clearing the word God, cince it attaches itself to so many meaningful communications should be cleared.
Author: Tom
Posted: Sun Jan 14 2001 10:12 am
How many conflicts on this planet can be resolved by word clearing the word "God"?
I haven't looked in Webster, but I doubt that the dictioanry is thorough enough. For instance, to someone with a limitted spiritual knowledge, anything which is spirit related is termed "God", or to someone else, the peaceful feeling that comes from being ethical is God.
An atheist may try to say "there is no GOd" and because of the scope of the non specific definition, try to invalidate the existance of anything that is spiritual, or try to invalidate the serenity of having unenturbulated space. It is no wonder that people object to this, because they know that "God" is good. Suppose an atheist approaches someoneto whom the term God represents serenity of beingness, and says "there is no God."If they could agree upon the term they could talk about it. But on this planet, the word for "Creator of the mest universe" is the same as "any spriritual influence"(that is what it means to some people, who in church would welcome any spirit, no matter his intent, if he would mae the person speak in tongues., and is the term used for any good emotion that a person encounters during praying, since this good emotion must, he reasons, be God.
Not to say that there isn't a God, but who is he? Describe him. Is he the guy in the old testiment, is it a personal relatioship, is he a person, a he, a she, or a feeling or a spirit? Who.
As a side note, isn't it interesting that churches are situated next to graveyards. A recently disembodied thetan who overheard the prayers of a congregation asking God to come into their hearts, and seeing himself as bodyless and immortal could wonder in and get all confused. I bet churches have lots of "gods", and I bet churches are a good place to pick them up.
Author: RedFred
Posted: Sun Jan 14 2001 09:46 pm
That's funny, Tom but I bet you're right about it.
Author: Vector
Posted: Mon Jan 15 2001 04:08 am
Hi everyone!
this new message board definitely has a sincere freshness to it.....Great stuff!!
the above discussion is interesting, quite a few of Toms points raised an eyebrow or two. especially about mu's i was wondering if the disparity between definitions had some kind of subliminal ominous structure to it worthy of study.
this could be the zone of the demarcation between spiritual and materialistic premises
what are some of the cognitions you guys have had about MU's?
Cheerio!
Author: Pater Peccavi
Posted: Mon Jan 15 2001 07:43 am
The Hindus have even deities that are analogous to the cycle of action:
Brahma = creation
Vishnu = change
Shiva = destruction
Animist religions attribute divine character to forces of nature like the lightning, the wind, the rainbow.
A wrathful or jealous or vengeance seeking character might be a rockslamming big thetan, but is not part of my idea of the 8th Dynamic.
One could have many cognitions in wordclearing the word "God", but faith is something else.
Pater Peccavi, the Theologian
Author: Vector
Posted: Wed Jan 17 2001 01:51 am
if you had faith the size of a mustard grain you could move mountains......
this quote sounds so stupid ....whats the deal with associating the immaterial with the material,
or the physical with the abstract.....?
ahhhhhh.......there might actually be something in it , a kind of mnemonically coded puzzle...
Author: Tom
Posted: Wed Jan 17 2001 10:08 am
Just listening, even passively to the PDC tapes, I am learning so much, and I'm realizing what the mest universe is about. I listen to the tapes in a new time frame and I see stuff that I missed the first time because it was over my head then.
Author: Johnny-On-The-Spot
Posted: Wed Jan 17 2001 03:35 pm
When you move your body you have action, the inverse of thought.
Energy = Mass
Velocity = Thought
Who runs the universe?
Author: nilopodos
Posted: Wed Jan 17 2001 05:51 pm
When you move a planet, you have action too.
You're right that action doesn't need thought.
Nilopodos, the Sacred Crocodile
Author: Silly Rabbit
Posted: Thur Jan 18 2001 08:56 pm
Says who?
Trix are for kids:-p
Author: complexio
Posted: Thur Jan 18 2001 09:07 pm
Kid-a.The young of a goat b.a young person.
Silly-Old English for-To be blessed with a childlike heart?
Author: curious about ...
Posted: Mon Oct 01 2001 09:01 pm
This has been discussed before and will be again.
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