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Good Science Author: John Posted: Wed Sep 12 2001 06:11 am An example of good science, is science which is not subjective, not based on belief, has its grounds in many other sciences and proven methods of thinking and testing, and produces results. Scientology does not fit under this category. Scientology is based on subjective experience, belief, unproven methods, and you need only look at the church to find out what kind of results it produces. Many people DOG Christianity, and Islam, and other religions, well, look at Scientology. You've all had your horror story inside COS, so you don't need my help. This is why we must reform scientology. We must make it a science, available to all, and I suspect this is what Dr. Nordenholz had in mind. Yet most everyone here discredits his work and says it has nothing to do with Scientology. In many ways this is true, because the original work known as Scientologie is lightyears away from the space opera and past lives mythos of scientology. Given the recent events that have transpired, I would think that we would begin to think of society less as wogs, and more as people. I don't like the term wog, I hate it, its a slanderous remark. These are human beings, just like you and I, and regardless of how free you think you are, they are still people. This is why we need good science, and I'll give you a perfect example of how science goes wrong. When T-Rex was first uncovered, it was thought that this species was a dominant predator. The only reasoning behind this was that it was large, and had large teeth. This was passed down as a tradition, everyone believed that T-Rex was a predator. In fact, the first skeleton they constructed was standing fully erect. It was later realized that this was impossible, because T-Rex would be breaking its back. We eventually came to realize the posture of T-Rex as we see it today, but there has been a major debate in the scientific community. It appears that T-Rex was not a predator at all. These are the facts: 1. T-Rex has teeth which are constructed for crunching bone. 2. T-Rex has a longer femur than its tibia. 3. T-Rex has very tiny arms. Unlike Velociraptor and Allosaurus, T-Rex had teeth which were not tightly packed. In other words, instead of being designed for cutting and slashing, they were designed for bone crunching. T-Rex was also a walker. In the great predators (such as Velociraptor and Allosaurus) the femur is considerably longer than the tibia, allowing for great speed. T-Rex was also a dinosaur that was not capable of grasping its prey with hands. This is also common among the major predators, they have long hands and fingers to grasp and tear prey. The conclusion: T-Rex was a scavenger. This is what the evidence shows. The only reason this assumption is even being challenged, is because we all grew up with the preconceived notion that T-Rex was a predator (i.e. we all believed it). Good science is not based on belief, it is based on objectivity and empirical data. The proof is in the pudding, and the war cry of science is and should always be: SHOW ME SOME FACTS! If you have read this, and wish to reply with a knee jerk response, take your time and read over it again. Try to figure out why it is that you disagree with this statement. If you can come up with legitimate reasons as to why scientology should be based on something other than fact, I would like to hear it. Remember, Dianetics and Scientology were originally defined as the science of the human mind and spirit, and the state of OT is no different than the one shot clear (Dianetics 55). Also know, that the knowledge in scientology has been stated before, and that there are many concepts which have been passed down through the ages. It is time to stop running our lives in fear. It is time to leave behind religion (traditions of men). It is time to analyze reality from an objective standpoint, this is OT. The other terminal is something you will like far less, and you know where it leads. End religious tyranny, and embrace scientific freedom. Reform Scientology Now! Author: John Posted: Wed Sep 12 2001 07:14 am Correction, that was in the great predators, that the tibia is considerably longer than the femur. Author: Kheinsa Posted: Wed Sep 12 2001 10:09 am I agree with the term wogs. I don't consider my friends wogs. I never liked it. I see some correction is needed. I accepted it at one time but I no longer accept the treatment of people in the church. I wrote and told a person my program is undoable. Since I have been talking to people here I feel much better and I have hope. But this person wrote me that I need to come up tone over the program. That I should get it corrected. I will no longer subject myself to such treatment. I was treated as second class by the MAA. Then she tells me to listen to a CDd to bring me uptone. The music I heard on the net and I don't like it one bit. It is rap type music. I consider rap downtone. I will not treat people that way. I did when I was younger and stupid. I pray for the lost souls who may be stuck in the incident. John I respect what you believe. I don't agree but that is this country and I am glad I am in this country. At least we can discuss and argue in a honest and strait forward mannor with no running others down. It goes to any thing in every day life. Kheina Author: punkfloyd Posted: Wed Sep 12 2001 01:28 pm here's another link about preconceived notion vs. facts It regards the beginning of the WWII. http://www.marynet.com/icebrk.html This is a review and an abstract of a controversial book called "Icebreaker" by V.Suvorov. It has been translated into English but is very hard to find. The reason I am quoting it is because it is a very good example of an application of the analytic method to historical context (as opposed to physics or biology) Example: 1. USSR was not prepared for Hitler's attack in June 1941 - as evidenced by the enormous losses of Red army in the beginning of the war. Does that mean Stalin didn't expect to fight with Germans? 2. Soviets had wartime posters and other propaganda items manufactured as early as Jan 1941 - 6 months before German attack. Many of these have explicitly mentioned nazis as the enemy. There was a song written on Stalin's orders. It had lyrics that went "Arise the great country/arise for a mortal fight/with the dark fascist forces/with the cursed hordes". It was written in Feb 1941. 3. Russian-German phrasebooks were distributed among Red Army soldiers around late spring 1941. That's 1-2 months before German attack. Conclusion: Russians weren't prepared because they expected to strike first. Or can you think of any other way to reconcile these facts? pf Author: John Posted: Wed Sep 12 2001 03:26 pm Thanks for your post. I would have to agree, based on this evidence. |
