What's up with the Pilot?
Author: yertletheturtle
Posted: Thur Nov 30 2000 03:36 pm
I just read a posting by "the pilot" that
he was basically moving on with his life
for now. I'm sure if this is the case, there
would be many here who would wish him well.
Any more information?
Author: Chris
Posted: Sun Dec 24 2000 11:30 am
I just read all the things that he wrote about in the Super Scio book and I don't know how he could move on after being so strongly interested in his work. Maybe the Co$ busted him and he's in the RPF or something.
Chris
Author: Dan Kasstleman
Posted: Mon Dec 25 2000 10:01 am
Was that black Pr? How do we know that was really the Pilot? That post made the Pilot seem as if his bolts were loosened. His books and other posts seem sane abd clear. Something seems whacky about the post.
Dan Kasstleman
Author: Chris
Posted: Mon Dec 25 2000 04:31 pm
What exactly do you mean by Black PR? I've heard that before, but I never found out what that meant.
Chris
Author: phleghm
Posted: Mon Dec 25 2000 05:32 pm
oh chris, you know...
using a happy negro image
to promote a product or cause.
Like "uncle ben"
or the guy on the cream of wheat box.
In Scientology, they use Issac Hays as
a celebrity spokesman.
Whadda you think?
*(actually black PR has another definition
in scientology)
Author: Chris
Posted: Mon Dec 25 2000 06:28 pm
I guess there's some black PR going on at the Kellogg's headquarters. Toucan Sam is the malevolent one.
Chris
Author: Dickhead
Posted: Mon Dec 25 2000 08:51 pm
Probably the next we hear from the pilot will be when he comes out and "makes amends" by repudiating all his previous work and says the co$ was right all along. When he does that he'll get all his $cio friends back, and get as much 2D, as he calls it, as he wants. He's lost without these things, judging from his last post.
Author: Blork
Posted: Mon Dec 25 2000 08:57 pm
either way, he now owes all in the freezone
a major explanation or apology for promoting
what he has over the last few years and
then just poofing out like that.
If he wants to go his own way, or play the
piano, that is his business and he has
a right to do so, but it seems to me he
owes more clarification to those who might
be working on the processes he has been
promoting.
Author: Tom
Posted: Tues Dec 26 2000 05:17 pm
Yea. It's suspicious. The Pilot's identity is descovered, then he dissapears. What's the deal?
Author: OTFreezoner
Posted: Tues Dec 26 2000 05:55 pm
To Me its suspicious that such a person who has realized the true purpose of Scientology and LRH's research. I think the explanation about the RPF could be true, however its not like we're hanging without a way out. Everything is ready and set for us. The entire Co$ Bridge is available to us. Supplemental processes also available such as Revenius' Super Power Processes And I'm sure some one will get OT IX when it comes out! as for now, I hope the Pilot is OK and If he is discovered, he would take enough measures to keep himself safe from discovery and perhaps the RPF.
Author: mike
Posted: Tues Dec 26 2000 07:09 pm
Hmm, I seemed to of double posted
Author: mike
Posted: Tues Dec 26 2000 07:12 pm
Hi folks,
You may have missed some of Ken's postings.
Go to Dejanews.com com. Click on "Power Search". Enter "pilot" as the key word. Put "alt.clearing.technology" in the forum space. In the author space put "pilot@scientology.at". All of the above without the quotes. Organize results by date, then click on search.
You can catch up on any that you may have missed. They may shed a little more light on his situation.
Mike
mike@fza.org
Author: Anonymous
Posted: Tues Dec 26 2000 11:23 pm
I'm a little torn on this issue.
First off, I'm a huge fan of the Pilot's work, let's get that clear. I think his outline of the tech as he sees it has potential for giving many people big wins; it certainly has for me.
As far as the Pilot himself though, I'm a little confused. I recently saw a webpage describing him as a person and his involvement with the church. Suffice to say that from what it said, I wasn't impressed with personal ethics, and he hasn't been in the church except for a brief period in the early 70's I believe, CommCourse.
I don't know if this website was put up by a church rep; it very well may have been, in which case I'm perfectly willing to brush it off as black PR. But nevertheless, it made me think.
I'll post the address if/when I find it again, as I detest references without backup and I don't want to be a hypocrite ;-)
ARC
Author: freezone foundering
Posted: Wed Dec 27 2000 06:59 pm
I did that search, but there is just
too much stuff there are reposting from
other people to sort out what is
going on with the pilot at the moment.
What's the real deal?
Author: mike
Posted: Wed Dec 27 2000 11:18 pm
Anon,
It was a Cof$ DA site. Read what the Pilot, Ken, has written and judge from that.
ARC,
Mike
Author: nilopodos
Posted: Thur Dec 28 2000 03:16 am
In any case, it's the same as with L.Ron Hubbard. I avoid mixing what he says about life in his books and lectures with the data regarding his biography.
In the same way, the works of the Pilot stand for themselves. Do they contain errors?
I couldn't claim that Ron's contain none.
Nilopodos, the Sacred Crocodile
Author: complexio
Posted: Thur Dec 28 2000 10:46 pm
It's amazing the amount of energy that was put into the Pilots works. After just reading a few of the sections in Super Scio and Self Clearing
I am very humbled by the vastness of the task he
put before himself and accomplished.
Author: mike
Posted: Mon Jan 01 2001 10:59 pm
Hi All,
To read all of the Pilot's posts from the last year and maybe get a better idea of what is happening with him go to:
http://fza.org/pilot/posts/2000/2000.html
Thanks to Paul for putting this up.
Mike
Author: lflewover
Posted: Fri Jan 12 2001 05:57 pm
Come on folks. Black PR is the first thing the Cof$ does when it dead agents anyone. They discredit anyone who they perceive as an enemy to reduce their effect or credibility.
Take the Pilot on his own merit. He has put out an incredible volume of very profound work. Judge a person by his actions not some suppressive accusations.
Author: Ed Rhett
Posted: Fri Jan 12 2001 06:52 pm
It would be nice to hear from the Pilot. And I wish him well. But the fact is that he doesn't owe us an explanation, he does not owe us anything. We haven't done anything for him. We possibly owe him some sort of support, because of the work that he gave us freely and without compensation. I personally wish he would publish a book through Amazon.com, or something like that, so I could buy it from him.
The fact is that he is a self supporting computer software programmer, and he did his scientology research in his spare time, and donated it free to the freezone.
Somebody, by the name of "Anonymous", raised a question about the Pilot's "ethics". But the Pilot has no significant out ethics, nobody has raised any significant point of out ethics.
The Pilot is a private citizen, who is spending time on his private life since his wife left him. His wife had to leave him, because she is a churchie stooge, like all people who are PTS to the church of scientology. ("churchie stooge" means everyone who is in good standing with the church, and is afraid to rock the boat."
Author: Fiat Lux
Posted: Sun Jan 21 2001 05:15 pm
The retirement of the Pilot from active research is one of the saddest, and most shocking things I have heard in a long time. I am amazed there is not an absolute furore about it on this board.
To read the Pilot's last posts from the link above, we are to understand that over the last year on three occasions he was kidnapped by OSA, forcibly given drugs, RAPED and given hypnotic commands. Anyone who has read any of the Pilot's posts will find it shocking to learn that these heinous attacks have been successful (we hope not!) in silencing the fabulous insights that flowed from this wonderful man.
What is not clear to me is how much these attacks by OSA fortuitously reinforced his astonishing, puzzling lack of self belief: this beacon of self-awareness seems to have been completely thrown by such a thing as six months without a girlfriend.
Baffling.
Above all we want the Pilot's voice to continue.
In the meantime I will draw the attention of the Church members on this site to the activities of the Gestapo which they help finance. OSA have reduced the Pilot - THE PILOT! - in his own words, from 'a major league player to a broken piece lying on the battlefield.' Long live OSA, guys? How long? A thousand years?
Author: Kevin G! Brady
Posted: Thur Feb 15 2001 09:54 pm
My own feeling on this was shock. I had been away from internet use for a long time (six months is a long time to a once-junkie like me). Even then, the Pilot had not been posting much, and had already been exposed. To tell the truth, I thought that his being exposed was a good thing, as long as he would take responsibility for being a terminal.
He has already done a great deal, and I am thankful to him. My first day using the internet was spent on a yahoo search on the key words "free scientology", and the first thing I read was the MacDonald papers, which I still highly recommend to all (they are an indictment of David Miscavige, and a Declare order on him). I was feeling really charged up and depressed about this church I was disconnected from, when the next thing I read was the PILOT's introduction to Super Scio. I felt transformed, and to this day, I feel free because of his posting. The Church cannot destroy his materials, and so they attempt to destroy his image, both to himself, and to his readers, in in effort to invalidate his existing work. No such luck. I am free, because of the Pilot, to practice my religion, or NOT to, depending on my current level of responsibility (degree of OTness). I am forever thankful.
As to his treatment by the Church, I find it deplorable, but they have precedents. Have you heard about what OSA did in Operation Freakout? I can't remember the details, but they rank with the Pilot's treatment. Ken, whether he likes it or not, will continue to exist. I understand people's upset- I for one would like to help. It feels like can't help, which is pretty low tone. I am glad that he has been so forthcoming in what was going on, and very sorry to hear that it has been happening.
I would like to indicate that Ken has helped me. I have understood his post that it bypasses some charge for him when people say that the solution might be for him to help more people.
I am not a tech expert, but I have some experience of being communicated to when I am still experiencing pain. I become very angry and lash out at the person who is communicating to me. Pain is an overload. The last thing a person in pain would seem to need is more incoming sensation/communication. Some incidents are MUCH longer duration than others. What has been happening to him could be a large number of items on one LONG, CUSTOM DESIGNED, IMPLANT. Black Scientology, pure and simple.
Ken, if you are reading me- hang in there. You have no choice, really, but remember, even infinities can be separated into magnitudes (i.e.: the distance between one and two is an infinite number of points, and so is the number of points between one and three, but noone cannot say that they are of different size- though infinite) To an extent, each moment is infinite. You have had many years of success in your research, and ONE YEAR of pain and failure. Imagine Ron's distress when he could not map out actual GPM's. There it was, the core of the tech, and he couldn't seem to do anything more than to destimulate people by running implant GPMs. He never succeeded in doing it, twenty years after he started (in 66?) And it drove him absolutely batty (witness the Sea Org, and scientology's relentless decline into formalism and robotic misapplication, and suppressive lapse into espionage with world governments rather than simply sticking to the tech). Ken is not absolutely batty, he's just letting us know how it feels when OSA gets dirty.
Ken- was there something that you were trying to achieve? Do you remember how it felt when it seemed you were making progress? Was there some point at which it seemed you failed?
Rather pointed questions.
I, for one, believe that Ken succeeded in freeing the tech. Freeing the Church is another story, one that may have many chapters- after all, Hubbard was a prolific author, and every character in the Church is simply playing a role in his script.
There are other scripts.
The Pilot is Dead... long live the Pilot.
kgb
Author: Tom
Posted: Sat Feb 17 2001 07:59 am
I recommend hours and hours of OBJECTIVES. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF A LOCATIONAL.
Author: mike
Posted: Sat Feb 17 2001 02:23 pm
Hi Kevin,
Nice post. You should put it up on ACT where Ken will see it.
A future issue of IVy will have an update in it on how he is doing. Make sure your subscriptions are up to date!
Mike
Author: Tom
Posted: Sat Feb 17 2001 04:20 pm
The sex drug hypnosis thing is in keeping with what I read about satanism. The objective is to create compartmented sections of the hypnotised subject, and make it too absurd to be believeable. Makes you wonder about David Ike's satanist/illuminati/aliean/big bank theories.
Author: Eternity
Posted: Sun Feb 18 2001 01:25 am
Hey Tom! You mentioned above that people should do hours and hours of objective processes. Why do you think this? I mean, what kind of wins have you gotten or seen from tons of objective processing?
Author: Eternity
Posted: Sun Feb 18 2001 01:27 am
Mike, where is ACT?
Author: mike
Posted: Sun Feb 18 2001 01:36 am
Eternity,
See:http://www.fza.org/forum/messages/1/193.html?982455474#POST1063
Scroll down to the message posted on February 17, 2001 - 04:17 pm.
Let me know if this helps.
Mike
Author: Tom
Posted: Sun Feb 18 2001 07:54 am
I was talking about the Pilot who, considering his situation and the fact that he may be over run on solo subjective processes, in my opinion could benifit from objectives. When I find someone who can do a locational, I have a huge win. It can unfix attention, it can sober up a drunk man, a person can exteriorize on objectives. The first time I had a locational done on me a mental mass that felt like the size of a planet moved. It was even commented on by my auditor. Anyone who walked in the room would have felt it. Plus it's easy. IF someone would volunteer to run consecutive locationals on the pilot, I believe it would help.
Author: Tom
Posted: Sun Feb 18 2001 07:59 am
Plus objectives are unlimmitted processes, meaning anyone can run them for any amount of time.
Author: nilopodos
Posted: Sun Feb 18 2001 09:18 am
Yeah, but objectives can be a bore for the auditor - unless he stays in PT.
Nilopodos, the Sacred Crocodile
Author: Eternity
Posted: Sun Feb 18 2001 01:37 pm
Tom in your above post you say that a mental mass the size of a planet moved when you did a locational. When I've doen those I've gotten small wins, but definetely never anything really noticeable. Are you sure it wasn't the auditor you were with who moved the mental mass? I've done Self-Analysis at home and when I do it at an org, something completely different happens. Another person can make you have a win at a drill or process, but if you did it yourself without the presence of the other person there you wouldn't have the same phenomena occur (In some cases I've found that the drills or processes hardly did anything when used by myself).
Author: Tom
Posted: Mon Feb 19 2001 07:47 am
It does take some skill to do a locational(someone who at least understands the process), but I knew the mass was there, I just needed an auditor and I needed a good locational. OK, the size of a planet was an exacaduration,the size of a house is more like it, but it felt like pushing this huge weight away from me, and I remember standing in a coffee shop feeling like I weighed a gram and a half afterwards, and better yet, the females were staring at me which is the high point of all wins that could ever be, at least in my twisted mind.Self locationals don't work so well because a person tends to put it on automatic.
Locaionals and all objectives have to be continued for long enough to reach the EP.And the auditor can't let it get automatic. And the autitor should make sure that the PC follows the commands, that he really is looking at that spot.
My biggest wins with SA have been wins in the quality of my art and music. Very noticable and immediate.
Author: Tom
Posted: Mon Feb 19 2001 07:49 am
What kind of wins are you looking for Eternity?
Author: Eternity
Posted: Mon Feb 19 2001 11:41 am
The win you had sounds just fine to me Tom. Every time I do those objective processes though, I just get real small wins. I figure it's better than nothing, but I won't go out of my way to do them anymore. You can also have the problem of constantly seeing through mass so that you never really look at an object. I have this problem. In order to remedy this I need someone around who isn't looking through their bank and can teach me not to do so. I gotta say, that skill is probably more important than anything else learned in school. What kind of phenomena occurs when you do SA Tom? I get lots of boil-off and real little case gain.
Author: L.L. Catman
Posted: Tues Feb 20 2001 12:58 am
I've heard of a reference that says auditing prices should equal approx. i weeks pay. Anyone know about that?
Author: L.L. Catman
Posted: Tues Feb 20 2001 12:59 am
I meant "1 weeks pay" but you probably knew that.
Author: mike
Posted: Tues Feb 20 2001 01:24 am
Hi Catman,
Per HCO PL 19 Oct 64 PRICING FORMULAS a 25 hour intensive is priced the same as three months' pay for the average middle class worker. To this can be added a 20% or 30% discount depending on the person's membership (Lifetime or International).
I know there are other policies along these lines but this is the first one I could come up with quick.
Mike
mike@fza.org
Author: Eternity
Posted: Tues Feb 20 2001 04:19 pm
How about you pay for your results? If you get fantastic results then you pay more, if you get lousy ones then you pay less. No more blaming the pc for crappy results and still extracting lots of cash. If crappy results are procured and it is the fault of the pc, but not within his ability to take responsibility than get him to take actions which will make the auditing successful and then fantastic results can be obtained which will be paid for in full.
Author: Tom
Posted: Fri Feb 23 2001 06:23 am
I'd like to see a non profit org with a tip jar, and pricing suggestions. Pay if it works.
Author: mike
Posted: Thur Mar 01 2001 08:35 pm
Hi Tom and all you others,
I like Tom's idea. But if it was ran right I don't think you could find a big enough tip jar!
Look folks, it is like this, you offer a service and deliver it. There are two ways it can go.
FIRST WAY:
The person comes in for the service. He is then regged for another service that he "needs" to have to receive the first service. He pays for hours of sec checking to receive the first service. His money runs out so, he gets that first service. After the rigors of the sec check he feels that he is not in a safe enviroment so when he receives his first service he gets no gain. Why? Because it is not a safe enviroment. He is routed to ethics and expelled.
Worst case. (Well there are worse, but this is just a simple example.)
SECOND WAY
A person comes in for service. He gets what he asked for. He is happy. OR he doesn't get what he paid and asked for--
Wait a minute, that's not right either. Let's try this. ----
A person comes in for help. He gets a interview and is told that this may help him. He recieves auditing in a safe enviroment and it helps.
OR
It doesn't help, maybe even messed him up. Sooooo, some folks would blame him and submit him to sec checks and endless invoicing in Treasury. Others would accept the responsibility and not charge for FES's, Qual auditing, word clearing,etc. But just do what it takes to help the person in front of them.
Hmmm.
Who screwed up?
The people who said this will help you. That is who.
DELIVER WHAT YOU PROMISE!
The church sez they do, through endless regging and correction lists. At a cost per hour.
In the FZ we will not blame the pc.
If you can deliver it, do so.
If it doesn't bite, don't blame the pc.
Find the cause and correct it.
If you can't, don't charge the pc for more service to correct your problem. Assign cause correctly.
My semi rant for the night,
Be safe,
Mike
mike@fza.org
Author: Dick H.
Posted: Thur Mar 01 2001 09:25 pm
Eternity, in your post dated Feb 18 you wrote:
I've done Self-Analysis at home and when I do it at an org, something completely different happens. Another person can make you have a win at a drill or process, but if you did it yourself without the presence of the other person there you wouldn't have the same phenomena occur. (In some cases I've found that the drills or processes hardly did anything when used by myself).
Could you enlarge on the difference between using the book yourself and having another person reading it out to you?
Author: Eternity
Posted: Fri Mar 02 2001 02:40 am
No problem Dick. When I do the process at home, I end up getting lots of Boil-off and that's about it. Now if I were at an org with a really uptone person, this person could do the book with me and shoot me up the tone scale, not because of the SA processes, but because of his being uptone. Of course you would have to find someone who is better at suppressing their reactive mind then you are for this to happen. For instance, I go out and do some drugs in my youth and I am severely incapacitated. Another guy goes out and literally does 20 times as many drugs as I and is still able to function alright in life. That would be my definition of a guy who is better at supressing his bank than me.
Author: mike
Posted: Fri Mar 02 2001 07:20 pm
Hi all,
In response to results from a self audited session vs one with a auditor you might want to look at:
http://fza.org/pilot/self/advice.html
Let me know if this helps.
Mike
mike@fza.org
Author: Dickhead
Posted: Sat Mar 03 2001 05:30 pm
Eternity, in response to yours of March 2.
Is there anything more to making a good scientology auditor than that? There are other ways of clearing the reactive mind than scientology. For instance, the antar mauna described by Paramhansa Satyananda in his book "Meditations" and the method of mantrajapa described in "Formulas for Transformation" by Prof Eknath Easwaran, but a person who has achieved clearing in those ways would have a different life orientation than someone who had done it through scientology.
In his book "Miracle of Love" Ram Das wrote of his guru Neem Karoli Baba who took four pills each of 300 micrograms of very pure LSD, which is a very heavy dose:
At he end of an hour it was obvious that nothing had happened. His reactions had been a total put-on. And then he asked "Have you got anything stronger?" I didn't. Then he said "These medicines (drugs) were used in Kulu Valley long ago. But yogis have lost that knowledge. They were used with fasting. Nobody knows now. To take them with no effect, your mind must be firmly fixed on God. Others would be afraid to take. Many saints would not take this" And he left it at that.
Would such a person who has cleared his reactive mind reading out "Self Analysis" to another be as effective as an auditor who has cleared his through scientology? In the processing instructions of "Self Analysis in Scientology" (1953) Ron wrote that the book could be used by oneself but it was not quite as good as working with a very friendly and co-operative person. He didn't say the person reading out the book had to be clear.
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