Xenu is back
Author: flowrite
Posted: Tues Nov 28 2000 07:47 pm
I've just read The Xenu Myth by L.Kin. I have read other interpretations as well. The question is, did LRH get the facts right, correct time, place, form, and event? To me the idea that Earth's population was 250,000,000, 75,000,000 years ago is utterly ridiculous. How can anyone who has done OT111 gone along with that? There are millions of animal fossils to be found,where are the human fossils? For a population to grow that big there must have been well ordered civilizations on the planet, yet no remnants of such. Where can they be? How could such a huge population have grown with carnivorous dinasaurs around?
The outpoints abound, I could go on. If it happened at all it did not happen here, therefore how can a pre OT audit out an incident using the wrong location?
Okay I understand that this is a worn old subject to some, I apologise, but I would really like to hear from some of you who have done OT111 to get your views. Have you had second thoughts? Do you swear by it?
Flowrite
Author: Daxiou
Posted: Tues Nov 28 2000 11:13 pm
read L Kin vol 3 for more info. reading an exerpt from a book is not getting the whole story!
Author: Tom
Posted: Wed Nov 29 2000 03:31 pm
Just Curious, Does L KIns story go along with what others have experienced in auditting in the church or here? DOes it go along with Ron's story, including Yasiter or what's his name and the council who created bodies. That part is the only part that I find hard to swallow. Sounds more like an "explaination for where bodies came from" than "dug up data".Not that it couldn't be true.
and what about the galactic patrol? Who knows anything about that?
Author: John
Posted: Wed Nov 29 2000 06:17 pm
In my opinion, an ancient incident which occured millions of years ago would have no effect on you. Think back to your childhood, remember something which was embarassing or hard to accept. For instance, maybe your teacher humiliated you in some way, or one of your friends hurt your feelings. Do those repressed memories effect you now? Maybe. If it is something you still have fresh in your mind it may be so. But if you actually dig up a repressed memory, you will find that it has been out of your immediate view for so long that it no longer bothers you.
A word on memory storage. Memory is the act of being able to receive and store information. The fact that you perceive the universe is in essence memory itself. If one tries to access accurate data from the past they will always encounter the inability to recall 100% of the data (whatever that means). Two different people can go through the same experience and they will always recall different details. The algorithm will always be the same (unless one of them was drugged or half conscious at the time), but the details will be recalled based on importance. Different people hold different beliefs, attitudes, and viewpoints. Therefore, even if an incident (which I believe to be Ron's "tap-in" to the emotion of sorrow) which occured to millions of people would be recalled with many different details. This is why Scientologists prefer to work in teams.
Author: flowrite
Posted: Wed Nov 29 2000 09:20 pm
I made a mistake with the figures in my posting above, it should have read 250 billion population on Earth not 250 million.
I want to know from those who have done OT111 their views on this holocaust,i.e, fact, fiction, metaphor? I believe a great many people who have done that level have aquired a great inner strength. So I'm puzzled how such case gain is possible against the background of such a silly story in as far as Earth is concerned.
Flowrite
Author: complexio
Posted: Thur Nov 30 2000 03:13 am
My sentiments exactly flowright. I have asked this
same question many times.
Author: surver
Posted: Thur Nov 30 2000 04:11 pm
There is a write-up on incident 2 by the pilot. See his book super scio here on www.fza.org, part #6A, chapter "incident 2".
You are right that the xenu-story seems to be in opposition to basic Scientology ideas, like that you are responsible for your own mental state, not the outside factors.
Note that the original OT III also fiddles a bit with incident 1, but LRH didnt seem to have recognized its importance. See Super Scio chapter 3 for an explanation. Perhaps incident I is also an important source for the wins on OT III. I did some incident I solo-processing based on Super Scio chapter 3, it ran faster than wildfire, ending with the confidential 1978 clear cognition.
surver
Author: Pathfinder
Posted: Thur Nov 30 2000 05:22 pm
OT-111 is real. How it will run for you, I do not know. It runs different for different people. If you run it solo, don't resist what comes up. As strange as it may seem. You may think your dreaming or your imagination is running wild. Let it go. The EP is great and you'll be pretty keyed out. It wouldn't be fair for me to tell you some of the cognitions from this level. Because they should be your own. That's the only thing that should be confidential about it. I will tell you one thing. While running one part of OT-111, I came up with 3 volcanoes, a triangle. There is only 2 volcanoes in that area now. If you do some research from old Indian legends. They talk about the triangle that did exist at one time. Also, some of the BT's may be bigger than you or appear to be. Don't be intimidated by them, use lots of ARC and handle what they have to say. They have been trapped for quite some time and they will appreciate the freedom and leave, when properly handled.
The EP is - freedom from overwhelm and a return of full self - determinism. Get the picture.
Pathfinder.
Author: John
Posted: Thur Nov 30 2000 05:56 pm
The human mind never ceases to astound me. Let's say for a minute that alien life exists. According with scientific reason, anything traveling at sub-light speed would take hundreds of thousands of years to travel from only one system to another. Hundreds of thousands of years, and only one system to the next. If LRH was so good at uncovering these alien secrets for intergalactic alien events; why is it that he did not spawn a technological surge? Traveling beyond the speed of light would be a necessity for intergalactic travel, yet Ron never mentions how this is accomplished. There are many variables to account for. One such variable is the existence of an inertial dampening field surrounding the vessel, like on Star Trek. Without the existence of such technology, you would slam into the back wall of your vessel as soon as the light barrier is breached. So if OT3 is real and LRH is really a genius here to save us; then why is it that the only piece of technology released by Scientology is an E-Meter, which Ron didn't even invent? I think it is more logical to assume that the human brain is a great mystery, and leave it at that. If there are body thetans holding us down, science has yet to detect them. Claiming that a religion can be proven is a contradiction in terms. Results from running incident 2 are not proof of the actual event. They are proof however, that when the mind sets up a goal and then accomplishes that goal, results follow that acheivement. The conditions of the experiment are limited to the boundaries set forth by the individual performing that experiment. Such is life.
Author: flowrite
Posted: Thur Nov 30 2000 07:50 pm
John
just to clarify your argument. First of all a being sets a goal for a specific ability, then imagines an incident that caused the problem but has to believe that it is real,clears the imagined incident and achieves the goal. Therefore the being doesn't need to base the cause of its aberations on an actual occurrence or in the case of OT111 real BTs. Do I read you right?
I suspect like myself you haven't done OT111 and you are speculating. Presumably you couldn't do OT111, as you think it is all fantasy, I would have a similar problem. But I've run an engram in Dianetics that I thought was vague and unrealistic but strangely enough I have not had a recurrence of the somatic. So it seems even invalidation of the incident as real does not change the EP.
Are there any OT111s out there who have invalidated incidents one or two but are stable on that level?
Author: Pathfinder
Posted: Thur Nov 30 2000 10:10 pm
John,
A friend of mine that is running OT-111, said to me that he doesn't know whether the incident is real or a myth and he could care less. All he knows is that he is getting excellent case gain from it. So, your point is very valid from the way you see it.
Good Luck,
Pathfinder.
Author: John
Posted: Fri Dec 01 2000 12:31 am
Well, imagining an incident doesn't negate the fact that the person is still confronting key issues. In the case of OT3: loss, pain, overwhelm, etc. I have run OT3 and I have had OT keyouts; but in my opinion, the best results are acheived when the being lets go of all issues.
Author: lflewover
Posted: Fri Dec 01 2000 03:00 am
Even before the tech and results of what is now OT III were released the outcome was consistently the same. The PC is addressing the BTs not the incident, whether the incident is exact or an explanation close enough to address the BTs, the process attains the same results for most people. Some of the fine points may differ slightly, probably due from different points of view or experience of the PC. When I did the level, I had it audited on me rather than doing it solo, and I was in disbelief of the "fact" of the incident. But the charge kept releasing and releasing, and even my wife admits that I am substantially a different person. To me I am more Me. I am now finishing up OT V and this process seems a little more real and even more charge keeps burning off and I feel even more "Me". Is any of it real? For me to the extent that it continues case gain it is real enough for me, whether I mock up an area that can then handle charge or whether I run a process (someone elses mockup) that brings up an area of charge.
It seems as though the being can let go of all issues that he no longer has charge on at that time. At another time or looked at from another direction an area that I thought I had let go of reappears and I realize that I have addressed a new level of that area and have more charge to handle. In my viewpoint, at least it is all case that I won't have to deal with next time. Take Care
Author: complexio
Posted: Fri Dec 01 2000 03:16 am
I just don't get it. Remember the old phrase"What's real to you is real".Bridges are only as real as they are to you. It seems to me all the bridges work the same way. They require belief or faith in the bridge itself. Maybe we should be building our own bridges?
Author: lflewover
Posted: Fri Dec 01 2000 10:35 pm
The Freezone is built on the concept of everyone trying to move up as beings, by free exchange of ideas, concepts and especially clearing technology. There is some brilliant work that has been done by the Pilot, Geoffery Filbert, Ralph Hilton, Enid, Alan, Flemming, Heidrum, Homer as well as many others. Some may work well for you some may not. But most of it is based on the axioms by LRH. It is possible there is another way to do it but most not built on the axioms don't seem to go very far. The letter by Ralph Hilton concerning a Freezone case I found to be interesting reading. If you can develop another "Bridge" more power to you. Please keep us notified if you are successful.
Author: John
Posted: Fri Dec 01 2000 11:16 pm
If you are successful, chances are you won't be around to talk about it. On the lesser end of things, Pilot is a firm believer in the vanishment of postulates. This is the highest and best way of resolving issues and I am a strong believer; which is why I've turned my life into one great big auditing session. When things come up you handle them. When you are at peace be peaceful. When you are emersed enjoy the ride. Life is a short story, with a long plot, and a slow author.
Author: flowrite
Posted: Sun Dec 03 2000 05:00 pm
I've already sent this message once but it didn't arrive or something.
1flewover
I found your first posting on 1 Dec really interesting. It seems then it is not necessary to believe the incident as true but you would have to believe in BTs otherwise you might get sloppy with the procedure and simply not be in session. I've got no quarrel with the idea of BTs as I have recently had rather a nasty experience with an entity when I was in a state of sleep paralizes. The demon on the chest experiece which is a well recorded phenomenon.
Surely the real EP of OT3 would be the cognition that you created that experience (BT influence and incident), to happen to you in the first place.
What do you think Complexio?
Author: lflewover
Posted: Sun Dec 03 2000 10:08 pm
flowrite
In my experience, the EP of OT III was no longer able to contact any more BTs or clusters involved in Incident 1. I never said that I felt that I had created the incident. The area ran as it was written. I also think that it would probably not be availably to anyone who is not already stably clear. If a person is not ready these things just won't come up. Maybe a little restim but no runable items. There is a reason that the bridge was set up as it was.
Yes, you have to focus on the purpose of the session and the area and procedure you are working on, otherwise, no session.
Maybe on a ultra high cosmic super-level I will be able to accept total responsibility for all incidents and all areas of all parts of my case, but at my current level (training on OT VI) I am still actively ridding myself of Klingons (BTs) so I can become more aware of who "I" actually am, stripped of all the valences and voices that I have always had and assumed to be me. Do you remember the cartoons with some guy with a little devel on one shoulder and a little angel on the other? Well guess what, neither one of them are him!
In a different process I ran into my specific involvement with incident 1 but it was not a causative one. In a private comm. I may tell you about what that area was but I don't feel it is good for general posting in that I think it would be restimulative to those with similar experiences.
Author: complexio
Posted: Mon Dec 04 2000 03:41 am
Flowright,
I'm not qualified to offer an opinion about the topic of BT's or hardly any other topic on this board and from this point on I'll keep my brain farts to myself.
Sincerley
Complex
Author: lflewover
Posted: Mon Dec 04 2000 08:52 am
Communication is the universal solvent. Don't loose the one thing we have over the Cof$, open communication. The only way to understand anything is to discuss, try, look at and learn from anything we can. If someone else has already invented a fairly good wheel use it until you're ready to lift off and use your wings instead of the wheels. Good luck on your growth.
Author: Sir Rena Thee
Posted: Mon Dec 04 2000 06:49 pm
Many would argue we are all downstats that
are too un ethical to cope with the militant
style of management in the Cof$ and therefore
not "real" scientologists.
As a result we are at present sitting in a game
condition with the Cof$ and "being right" or as
the cult would call it "know best", another one
of those wonderfull expressions they have in the
cult to sweep all free thinkers under the rug
in one sweep.
According to them one would have to be "know
best" or else one could never disagree with
management ofcourse.
The other thing which comes into play is the
something called "over kill", I have experienced
a similar situation at work with a newly
appointed manager who is so eager to score
points in his illusionary rise to the top that
he gets on peoples cases more then he should in
order to product officer the staff under him,
and as a result is getting a negative result
because he pushes too far.
The Cof$ take the problem of "over kill" to a
whole new level, pushing too far, too hard,
abusing it's power over the naive and ignorant
victims too much.
The end result is suffering and pain for the
victims and an otherwise usefull tech going to
waste on the wealthy few instead of to the masses
for whom it was intended from the outset by Ron
himself.
Author: lflewover
Posted: Mon Dec 04 2000 09:12 pm
One of the confusions I had when I entered the Cof$ in the mid seventies was the concept of APPLIED religious philosophy. I had been studying so many esoteric areas that application was just another abstract concept to be pondered. I felt that if I knew the end result of a process that I could just "will" it into being. It didn't, to any real extent, work in the other philosophies and it damn sure didn't work in Scientology. I could pray for the help of the white dolphin spirit energy to strengthen the power of my crystal necklace and try to love the EP into existence or I could try to summon up the power of the dark side to blast the sucker but I still couldn't get the EP. When I ran or had someone else run the process as written, in the correct sequence I had incredible wins. The wins were not what the Cof$ claimed but they were by far the most profound changes in me that I had ever experienced. Pondering, discussing, extrapolating, puttsing with, or wishing for an EP is not going to produce the EP. Your havingness will increase with each process but trying to just "will" or "have" or "take responsibility for" the EP won't do it. You have to APPLY the tech. Why else do you think the Cof$ is trying so hard to stop the exchange of the tech, they know how workable it is and therefore its value. Nobody ever claimed the way was easy but there is a well traveled and proven road to an incredible, lofty plateau. End of todays sermon
Author: Ryan Craig
Posted: Mon Dec 04 2000 09:49 pm
Hello, folks. I've gotten interested in the "Church" of Scientology and its related organizations lately. I've been appalled to learn of the cultish mind-control methods and various dirty tricks employed by the Co$. I would do anything I could to keep someone I care about from getting involved in any way with that organization.
The Scientology/Dianetics "tech", however, doesn't seem any more harmful than any of the other religions, "New age" or otherwise, or self-improvement methods used by many people. That is to say, I don't find it much harder to swallow than any other religion or mystical belief. It's very interesting to find a group of people who are pursuing the tech, but have no affection whatsoever for the Co$. I hope either you are successful in the long run in reforming the Co$ (for those who desire that), or that it dies on the vine eventually. People should be free to pursue whatever beliefs they want, so long as others aren't harmed, but we need the Co$ like a hole in the head.
Author: RRR
Posted: Mon Dec 04 2000 10:23 pm
Flow write said:
I've got no quarrel with the idea of BTs as I have recently had rather a nasty experience with an entity when I was in a state of sleep paralizes. The demon onthe chest experiece which is a well recorded phenomenon.
HEY, ME TOO. It's horrible isn't it. The damn things can through illusions and facsimilees, freeze your body, feel like it's crushing your chest, and even shock the living hell out of you, or just send terror vibes through your freakin skull. I'm not kidding at all.
I think that it uses a DEI scale backwards. Say if you're hungry while you're sleeping(plus you're already trying to "go unconscious", the next thing you know you see this nice ice-cream cone, and then you say, hey, I'll turn my illusions over to this thing, and next thing you know, it's nightmare, and no more icrcream cones. It's a slow subtle overcoming of your self determinism. Or it can make your heart flutter like a damn helicopter, or make sounds like rushing water. Scary, and it pisses me off. How do you exercise these things?
Warning, don't try to run incidents on them while they have a grip on you. Just make some stable space around yourself, and don;t let the entity control the particles in it. At least that works for me.
Author: RRR
Posted: Mon Dec 04 2000 11:16 pm
Just a side note, to beat an old drum, I spent over a year trying to get people here to differeniate between the COS and illegal off policy groups, instead of saying "COS" did this or "COS" did that. The liability in blaming the COS is that
a.If you can get wins and you can apply the tech, the you ARE part of the COS, regardless of copyright laws etc. , and by blaming the COS you are allowing the real criminals to get off scot free.
b. Policy protects the COS. By misassociation, and identification, the freezone loses the protection which is granted it by policy, and protects the RTC by calling it the COS.
OK, back to the topic at hand. It's a good one.
Author: complexio
Posted: Tues Dec 05 2000 04:50 am
Yeah, It's a good one allright. My Hearts been throwing throwing PVC's for a week. Now I'm
wondering if I've got a BT on my chest.
Author: RRR
Posted: Tues Dec 05 2000 02:54 pm
You're so smart.
Author: flowrite
Posted: Tues Dec 05 2000 07:43 pm
RRR
If you want to find out more about sleep paralysis and entities try http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html, the web knows everything. Our experience is well documented.
1flweover
When I said about creating the incident perhaps I could have said attracting the incident or experience, although I don't think there is any difference. Regarding EPs, yes knowing about an EP and experiencing an EP, is the difference between theory and practice.
Flowrite
Author: RRR/Tom
Posted: Tues Dec 05 2000 10:09 pm
I am indebted. Thanks flowwrite.
Author: Tom
Posted: Tues Dec 05 2000 10:10 pm
Electa spoke of being shocked while sleeping too. She blamed it on nipping engrams, but I am going to the site you suggested right now.
Author: Tom
Posted: Tues Dec 05 2000 10:39 pm
Saw the page. Outstanding, and exactly my experience. Amazing.
What have you learned. SOunds like a particular type of entity, a very bad one. How can this be handled? any ideas? I'm reading more, but what have you found out?
This is why HAVE to do OT 3, confidential or not. Does OT 3 handle it I wonder?
Author: Tom
Posted: Tues Dec 05 2000 10:49 pm
If so, I am looking to get some free time soon, and I would go anywhere if this thing could be auditted out.
Strangely, the incidents don't get huge meter reactions.
Author: Tom
Posted: Wed Dec 06 2000 01:30 am
Reading the site more. Do any OT's know how to get rid of the entities? I wonder if I could just drum them away with a good drumming session, some chants etc.Sounds crazy, but if it were any of you guys, you would try anything.
Author: complexio
Posted: Wed Dec 06 2000 03:21 am
I wasn't joking.
Author: flowrite
Posted: Wed Dec 06 2000 07:53 pm
Tom
You sound quite earnest about this entity thing. If you can't find any Scio related help have a look at the NAP board http://nap.fanspace.com/ There are all sorts of techniques there involving energy work, feelings and meridians. It's free. A lot of people are raving about this stuff. I tried some of it with some success.
If you really are being pestered by an entity,don't resist it,welcome it, talk to it enjoy it. Take it to Walmart and buy it some new cloths, treat it to a Macdonalds, introduce it to your mother. Get the idea?
Flowrite
Author: Pathfinder
Posted: Wed Dec 06 2000 09:56 pm
Someone once told me that it saids in the bible that. Jesus went to the desert for forty days and forty nites to rid the body of spirits.
Tom, you want a simple answer for a complex question. Unless your case level can handle it simply.
Example - Were would be more fun, then being here? Wait for an answer, then ack. Do it until the entity or being leaves.
Pathfinder.
Author: complexio
Posted: Thur Dec 07 2000 05:15 am
Flowrite,
Thanks for the link. It looks like a source for
some great stuff. I saw my MD today and had an
EKG done. Of course my heart stop throwing PVCs
the minute I walked into the office. Anyone want
to offer any insight into that phenomenon?
Author: Xenu Anti-Defimation League
Posted: Thur Dec 07 2000 02:06 pm
When will Xenu return and save us?
We need the love and grace of Xenu.
Just look at all the squabbling in
the world today!
We need the loving, but firm hand
of guidance that only Xenu can bring.
Author: Tom
Posted: Thur Dec 07 2000 03:54 pm
Complexio, my apologies.
It may be something physical.
like
A actual heart truble
b.anxiety
c indigestion(lookup what causes indigestion
d It could be a somatic or an entity.
As to why it stopped when you went in theoffice,
there is a process called"how does it seem to you now"
The auditting question is "how does it seem to you now?"
The funny thing is that when the doctor says "Soo what are your symptoms?" you may do a "how does it seem to you now?"(which is aiming for an as-isness of the problem.
The "it got better when I went to the doctor" is common.
I think the above is s good reason
Thanks pathfinder. There are a lot of people on the discussion board that flowwrite suggested above who need help. If I find something successful, I will do what I can to help them.
I got fed up yesterdaY and even though it's out=-gradient, I yried locating an entity and running incidnet 2 on it.
Problem was
1. It ran for 4 hours(some gland around the heart area.), and always got a huge drop on icident 2, until it seemed like lots of entities instead of just 1.
woke up this morning, but still gettting a drop.
I don't know what I'm doing, so any help is appreciated.
I was running out this psychotic motion this morning(spinny horrible feeling)from the spot.
I doubt my data.
Another question. The "old hag" entity seems to be common with the people at the sleep paralisis discussion board, all similar symptoms. TOO REAL hallucentations, electricity. paralisis.
Since lots of people have entities, why do only a few experience these symptoms.
Do you suppose that it is a different type of entity.
This is important, because there are kids on that site who think they are going crazy,. SOme are opn psychiatric drugs. I want to help them. I want to help musef.
Please, no room for jokes now. Any responses are welcome though.
Author: flowrite
Posted: Thur Dec 07 2000 07:21 pm
I feel sure that sleep paralysis is an opportunity to leave of the body and go on a really nice journey, if you can get through the scary bit.
Also I have a suspicion that some of these alien abduction cases are simply halucinations while in the state of sleep paralysis. Not everyone experiences the same things, apart from the 'Old Hag' and various other demons some people may experience fairies or 'Greys' When I was a child I used to experience dwarfs and marionette type creatures while in that state, which terrified me.
Flowrite
Author: lflewover
Posted: Thur Dec 07 2000 07:30 pm
I am not highly trained but when I hear of a odd manifestation occurring to a number of people who have nothing more in common other than working to get personal gain, I think of a suggestion or condition put there by others. Try that rather than chasing the entity "causing" the problem. Implants are more common than we care to realize and typically happen to people trying to dig themselves out of the trap. Incident 1 & 2 are both implants. Trust me there are many others. Good luck
Author: tom
Posted: Thur Dec 07 2000 08:40 pm
Yea, but it burns me out for two days(big chemical change), and honestly, though it's cool, I'm afraid that the "out of body experiences" are not real ones(I've actually left my body and it's more pleasant. )this is more of a fake body being misidentified with the body. That's one reason you can't move(and a CAN'T IS NEVER GOOD. I'VE LEARNED TO CONSENTRATE ON ABILITY HOW CAN CAN'T MOVE BE GOOD?)
I think the entity puts up the illusion of a body, since they have since forever done nothing but tell lies(in a visual sense these are hallucenations)
also an interesting note, the paralisis runs in epidemics in areas(that datum is from the same site.
sounds like demons target certain areas.Eithere that or it's something in the water.
Author: Tom
Posted: Fri Dec 08 2000 01:07 am
FLowrite. HAve you ever run incident 2? Anyone? How does anyone here think that relates to sleep paralisis?
Author: Pathfinder
Posted: Fri Dec 08 2000 02:08 am
Tom,
Wish I could say something to ease your pain.
I wouldn't run incident 2 if your not ready for it. When I was ready for OT-3, I tried running it solo and those that I awoke had a ball with me. After a week (I think) I called Jeff Filbert for help. He gave me some processes to run and said don't touch the cans until I get there. The processes helped and the incident ran like bad when he showed up a couple of weeks later.
Hey, I just found the processes he gave me.
1. What could you confront looking out?
2. What could you confront looking in?
I did these while driving to work. They worked for me.
Good luck,
Pathfinder.
Author: Ralph Hilton
Posted: Fri Dec 08 2000 03:30 am
Tom -
If Inc 2 is running for a long time it indicates that you are trying to handle a bunch of entities all at once that have a later mutual incident.
A general C/S would be:
Handle the specific cluster by asking "What type of incident would make a cluster?". This may get into L&N but generally its the first reading item.
Date to blow, Locate to Blow. Ask "Is there an earlier mutual incident?" to any mass remaining. Handle similarly. When there are no more mutual incidents to handle then pick up any individuals remaining and handle with Inc 2 and Inc 1 (or NOTs if one is on NOTs)
If the problem seems a repeating one then:
1. Run "Recall a mutual incident" to F/N release vgi's cog.
2. L&N "What is the major this lifetime mutual incident?" Date to Blow, Locate to Blow.
3. Continue with OT3 handling anything that comes up with the above handlings rather than going straight for Inc 2/1.
The above is from my recall of the "Milazzo R/D" from the class 8 pack.
Author: complexio
Posted: Fri Dec 08 2000 03:50 am
Tom,thanks for the advice and concern. I have
a good background in healthcare so I'm aware of
all the causes of symptoms like these. I think your right on the money with your analysis of
what happens when we face the doctor and the "as isness" of a syptom. Working in an ER for years has given me plenty of experience with this phenomenon. It's amazing how a symptom disappears
when a person starts talking about the symptom itself and processing out all the things surrounding it. Sometimes people just need to talk.
Author: Xenu Anti-Defimation League
Posted: Fri Dec 08 2000 04:34 am
This is all fine and well,
but what does the direction
of this discussion have
to do with the great, unflappable,
and glorious Lord Xenu?
Author: complexio
Posted: Fri Dec 08 2000 04:56 am
Your,right. Sorry about the tangent about my ticker. It all started with the subject of BTs
on the chest. Back to Zenu the most interesting
topic at hand
Author: complexio
Posted: Fri Dec 08 2000 05:28 am
Mythology is one of my favorite subjects. Just as
the Greeks believe in Zuess,Neptune,and Aphorditi
now we have Zenu. Let's look at Zenu as a mythological figure created in a Sci Fi world. What is he and what purpose does he serve for Scientology and others in the collective unconcious.
Author: flowrite
Posted: Fri Dec 08 2000 08:58 am
Iflewover
All that has happened is that two posters Tom and Myself have had a similar experience and not an uncommon one at that. There is no question of suggestion at work here. I appreciate your problem if you have not had this experience. Please read the postings carefully.
Flowrite
Author: lflewover
Posted: Fri Dec 08 2000 12:22 pm
Flowrite
Sorry to step on your toes.If enough people have a very similar incident and it has to do with something as esoteric as sleep paralysis, a being sitting on your chest, your being unable to move or take a breath. The fact that there are enough people having this manifestation that there is even a web site covering the subject, I'm sorry but to me that is not just a coincidence. I don't really care if you use LRH tech or drink the herb unobtainium from the northeast corner of faroutsistan to handle it, it just makes me wonder what would cause all the similarities. I'm not trying to sell you anything.
Author: Tom
Posted: Fri Dec 08 2000 02:06 pm
Ralph, I was hoping for your input. thanks much. Will do my best.
Author: Blork
Posted: Fri Dec 08 2000 07:04 pm
hi lflewover,
what is "unobtanium" are where can we get it?
Author: Pathfinder
Posted: Sat Dec 09 2000 05:12 am
Hi Tom,
I didn't know that you wanted high tech to as-is this thing. What I wrote will take you to a win and a key-out. I'll leave the high tech stuff to Ralph, Jeff, Ron, etc.
Here's another simple process that I have. This one can as-is or you can take it to a win. You can do it on the cans or off. Solo or dual. At home or in the office.
1. Paper and pen.
2. Draw a circle, about an inch and a half in dia.
3. Write the first name that pops up inside the circle (doesn't matter who it is, wife, friend mom, zenu, whoever comes to mind).
4. Next, make a smaller circle overlapping the first cirle. Write the next name that comes to mind.
5. Continue making overlapping circles around the orginial circle until you have a total of eight circles. Then start with a new inch and a half circle (the size of the circle doesn't really matter, just as long as it is big enough to overlap 7 more circles around it and you have enough room to put the names in the circles). It's OK if the same name pops up.
6. Do this to at least a win. Or continue if you want to.
7. Anyone can run this, if they feel they are having a problem with clusters. And I'm not just talking about BT's. BT's cluster and so do people.
Have fun with this. It's very simple and powerful.
Pathfinder.
Author: Blork
Posted: Sun Dec 10 2000 04:48 am
Hi Pathfinder,
could you upload a little diagram showing
your process?
Author: Pathfinder
Posted: Sun Dec 10 2000 06:52 am
Author: Pathfinder
Posted: Sun Dec 10 2000 06:59 am
Author: Blork
Posted: Sun Dec 10 2000 03:08 pm
Thank you!
There's nothing like a picture!
Author: Anonymous
Posted: Tues Dec 12 2000 05:18 am
I know this analogy has been made before but what
is currently going on with Clearing Tech being made available to all free of charge on the net reminds me of the Christian Reformation. The hold the Catholic(Universal)church had on the teachings of Christ and their using it to get coin out of followers seems analogous to what the CO$ is doing today. Is history repeating itself?
Author: s9g
Posted: Tues Dec 12 2000 05:48 pm
I'm putting all the tech I can find on links on the NEW ONES club at yahoo. go to the links upload what you want (while it lasts) let me know if there is any other links I can post. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/newones
Author: Tom
Posted: Wed Dec 13 2000 03:58 am
Every time that I see a new site, good bad or indifferent, I think, Great! This is a good thing, because it's communication. The fact that "COMMUNICATION IS" is so much more important than my judgement of if it's good or bad communication. Communication is usually stopped in the name of "stopping bad communication" by those who elect themselves judge and executioner. Those who elect themselves executioner are many. Those who dare to communicate are still few, but that is changing. The statistic on real Scientolotists is still very low. Look the code of a Scientologist and the few that are brave enough to apply it, setting an example of the wisdom and effectiveness of Scientology.
I've said before that it's easier to set a train on the right course, than it is to pull it back from the wrong one, and set it straight. We are at this point in time holding the little lever that sends the train down one set of tracks or another. A few words here or there, a little action and even a little responsiblity for force can either make the future yours or can hand it over. So much havingness. So easy to take responsiblity for it now. But try to change the past and find out how difficult that is. That is why I suggest doing something now. When in doubt, choose being. It might get a little adventurous, but I promise that you will thank yourself for it.
Author: Tom
Posted: Wed Dec 13 2000 11:21 am
Just a word on the bt running. In-freakin-credible!!!!!!
It's a steep gradient for me though, but I had to do it.
Ralphs input helped. Everyone else, much appreciated.
Can't say more on this matter until I'm done.
The only difficulty that I'm running into is not enough time to finish an action in one sitting like I want to. That's why it's going so slow, but I don't seem to be restimulated.
Author: Tom
Posted: Wed Dec 13 2000 11:23 am
In fact, I've been really keyed out, and it's lasting longer than it ever has. It's too soon to make a judgement, but I think this last key-out is permanent. Got a ways to go though.
Author: flowrite
Posted: Wed Dec 13 2000 01:04 pm
Well done Tom!
I misjudged you . I thought you were one of these people that go on and on about their problems and find all sorts of reasons why something wont work for them.
I am impressed and glad.
Flowrite
Author: flowrite
Posted: Wed Dec 13 2000 01:15 pm
While we are back on the subject of BTs. Do BTs feel our pleasure and pain. For example at sexual peak are they all screaming "Yes, YEEESS!! I injured myself a while back and I felt quite high. I wondering now whether a whole bunch of BTs exteriorized at the shock of the pain. Just pondering.
Flowrite
Author: Sir Rena Thee
Posted: Thur Dec 14 2000 05:45 am
The body produces it's own chemicals when in
danger or when it experiences pain, adrinalin is
an example of this, also pain killing chemicals.
After a long workout one can also experience
a natural high comparable to canabis, this can
become slighly addictive to some, very addictive
to others who can become quite obsessive about
physical exercise.
Author: Tom
Posted: Wed Dec 27 2000 12:35 pm
Check this guy out.
http://64.4.30.250:80/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=ef2a375735e12734f3b0c8a402027a75&lat=977947482&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2earts%2euwaterloo%2eca%2f%7eacheyne%2fS_P%2ehtml
Author: Chris
Posted: Wed Dec 27 2000 02:24 pm
I tried to check that guy out, but his email address is invalid.
Chris
Author: Tom
Posted: Thur Dec 28 2000 07:47 am
Sorry. He has this theory about disembodied spirits. I've been checking out the sleep paralisis lite, since that is a problem that I have had for a while. It involves a spirit that paralizes the body and throws incredible realisitc illusions at it. I don't know much about incident 1, except that it reads on a meter, but it seems like a lock on that,. ANy way this guys theory is that some lower spirits can produce a life energy but a body is capable of storing it. When the spirit loses the body, but wants to communicate outside of himself, he needs to drain it from a living body, which gives him the energy that he needs to activate. In other words lacking a body to store the energy, he needs a constant source to be "activated". His theory goes on to say that during sleep a person is storing this energy into the body, and at the same time is disposing of old pictures. At the same time this is happening, these disembodiesd spirits can be feeding it pictures deriving the energy to do so from the body. The sleeping person may not be able todiffferentiate between the two.
I would add that ARC has something to do with this, and downtone thoughts atrract downtone thoughts, and also that sleep can be sleep but what appears to be sleep can be a commmunication(an action intended to be perceived as a communication) of feigning death which is a downtone communication.Spirits are drawn to this, perhaps even thinking that they have recovered the body that they lost.
An interesting theory to me since I've been trying to handle this. I ran some BT, but because I was so busy (14 hour work days)idn't follow up on it. So far, I still have episodes, but I have definitely had wins on what I did(just ran a huge amount of charge off of a couple of incidents. I just feel so much stronger, but one Sleep paralisis episode drains me, makes me feel depleted. One thing that i noticed thought is that a huge amount of force is dire ted at my body to paralize it, but I am able to move against that force now by postulate, which I wasn't able to do before. I need to be strong as a tank though at that approach> last night the thing, whatever it was tried to crush me, and I pushed it aside with tone 40, but if I swayed, even a hair and "joined in the flows", It started to win. I know it sounds nuts. You should hear some of the other sleep paralisis stories on that site(music(sually classical music), electricity, paralisis, hallucinations(very reallistic, like matter but very intelligently produced to control you and get uyou to give up self determinism), rushing sounds like water or helicop[ters, and extreme terror) These are standard symptoms>
Author: Thanos
Posted: Thur Dec 28 2000 10:06 am
You said that you didn't know much about incident 1. The Pilot's stuff on incident 1 is great!! He points out that it is an implant universe. I guess these were designed in the past specifically to implant people and only to implant people. I wish he put more stuff up about the next prison universe down, the Mud universe. That must really suck to live there. To persist instead of to survive. I'd like a description of what it's like to live there.
Thanos
Author: Ed Rhett
Posted: Thur Dec 28 2000 08:54 pm
Tom,
I had one incident of sleep paralysis. When I realized there was what seemed to be another being in the room, and that the thoughts and feelings I was experiencing were not my own (except to the extent that I duplicated them) I demanded that whoever it was, identify itself/himself. This was before I had even heard of tone 40, but my intention was about the same as my USMC Senior Drill Instructor in boot camp. Whatever it was, I haven't seen or heard of it since. And yes, I was paralyzed, but that doesn't mean the bastard doesn't have to answer me if he is he is in comm with me. The son-of-a-bitch got away. Damn!
Realize that if he won't show himself to answer your questions, he is in fear or covert hostility. And if he is that low on the tone scale, he is afraid of you, so it is silly to be afraid of him. Just plain silly.
Remember, if he can see you, you can see him. Get an answer to the question "Who are you?" And don't let the bastard get away. Who knows, he might get some case gain if he answers your question. And you are not supposed to let the PC blow, anyway.
Author: complexio
Posted: Thur Dec 28 2000 09:44 pm
Tom, can you post the link to the site again?
Author: Tom
Posted: Sun Dec 31 2000 07:17 pm
http://bisleep.medsch.ucla.edu/discussions/basic/msgs.html#disc
This is the link to the sleep paralisis discussion board. These people have been dealing with entities for years, and I suspect a very specific kind of entity with a special mission. There are very real accountss of polterguiests and some theories that approximate upper level scio stuff. Interesting reading. I wish I could healp. Now that I have some free time, I'm going to be blowing some BTs.Oh, how I want to tell you about my first good BT running session. How can you guys keep this stuff to yourselves?
Author: Tom
Posted: Sun Dec 31 2000 07:28 pm
Ed, if you've ever been arouhnd a criminal and if you can pick up his emotions, you know what terror feels like. Multiply that by a hundred thousand, and you get what emotions are coming off of this disembodied piece of shit. I have to work on my confront a bit. I've tried tone 40 with less success, and had the thing pin me down with what felt like mest force and terror rays.
I'm going to do some BT running. That has lightened the load and upped my confront quite a bit.
Author: Tom
Posted: Mon Jan 01 2001 07:03 am
The discussion board has been remrkabley theta lately, don't you think?
Author: Tom
Posted: Mon Jan 01 2001 07:16 am
Interesting tech reference on suppression
by LRH
SEARCH AND DISCOVERY
1. Search and discovery of suppression is called an "S and D." It locates the
suppressive on the case.
(HCOB 9 Nov 67, REVIEW AUDITORS, BOOK OF CASE REMEDIES, REVISION OF
REMEDY A, REMEDY B AND S AND Ds)
"Remember that the real suppressive person (SP) was the one that
wove a dangerous environment around the pc. To find that person is to
open up the pc's present time perception or space. It's like pulling a
wrapping of wool off the pc.
"The SP persuaded or caused the pc to believe the environment was
dangerous and that it was always dangerous and so made the pc pull in and
occupy less space and reach less.
"When the SP is really located and indicated the pc feels this
impulse not to reach diminish and so his space opens up.
"The difference between a safe environment and a dangerous
environment is only that a person is willing to reach and expand in a
safe environment and reaches less and contracts in a dangerous
environment.
"An SP wants the other person to reach less. Sometimes this is done
by forcing the person to reach into danger and get hurt so that the
person will thereafter reach less.
"The SP wants smaller, less powerful beings. The SP thinks that if
another became powerful that one would attack the SP.
"The SP is totally insecure and is battling constantly in covert
ways to make others less powerful and less able."
Author: Tom
Posted: Mon Jan 01 2001 07:26 am
A freezone suggeestion would be to have "disappearing space", that deleted posts after so many days or hours. That would allow more communication than a chat line(which requires coincident time of communciation) but would be less solid and would fill the space with less particles than the ever persisting mest like discussion board. It also would put tech references back into the catagory of personal communication between peers and away from "for profit" posts(which my post is obviously not, but through legal hocus pocus, rich attorneys can derive the required nonsense from anything.)
Author: flowrite
Posted: Tues Jan 02 2001 10:39 am
Hi Tom
Just wondering about your sleep paralysis condition. Have you considered other possibilities for this problem? Without sounding challenging, what makes you think it is caused by BTs? Could it be an hallucination, or could it be an entity but absolutely nothing to do with BTs and clusters? No need to answer me.
There are other methods of clearing. You could hop across to the NAP forum and post your problem there. There is a clique of regular posters all of whom seem to be very experienced in clearing techniques with all sorts of unusual problems.
flowrite
Author: Tom
Posted: Tues Jan 02 2001 05:32 pm
Yea, thought of lots of things it could be.
What ever it is, it is the same as the others on the Sleep paralisis page
Thanks for the advice on NAP, I'll ry to find that.
I have always thought that someone more familiar with auditting would have the answers.
other possiblities Ive considered
ser fac
valence or ill person
electric implant
nipping
chemical phenomenon
trained entity
last night reading about Cap Bills Monitor theory
Author: Len Vollende
Posted: Tues Feb 13 2001 12:15 am
Flowrite:
Thanks for the info on NAP. I've run into people talking about it on other boards. They helped a friend of mine clear a problem of long standing.
There's some real savvy heads over there. There's some guy named Steve over there who developed a tech called the "Shrinking Lens". My friends got it off a German website about a year ago. It was from handouts at a Barvarian Energy conference. The process was a six step exteriorizing method. My friends were exteriorizing no problem.
Len Vollende
Author: Dexter
Posted: Tues Feb 13 2001 11:12 am
I've had sleep paralysis a few times earlier in life, before I read about it and learned it was common.
I'd half-way wake up to find myself paralysed, and have a sense of a malevolent presence in the room.
The only way I could overcome the paralysis was by focussing my awareness on the tan tien, a.k.a. hara as is taught in Aikido.
It is a point about halfway between your belly button and the top of your pubic bone.
So where is this NAP site?
Author: flowrite
Posted: Tues Feb 13 2001 01:44 pm
I think there ought to be a Sleep Paralysis support group formed on this board, the subject is always coming up. Since my most frightening experience I have never had it again and I rather suspect that my mind won't allow it. To this day the demonic maniacal laughter makes me go into goose bumps, it was so real.
Here is the NAP site http://pub.alxnet.com/guestbook?id=2001614. Just copy and paste it into the address bar.
Flowrite
Author: Ed Rhett
Posted: Tues Feb 13 2001 07:19 pm
DEXTER,
I once had a similar experience. I half way waked up, found I was paralized, and noticed an evil presence in the room. I didn't know about the dan tien, so I just confronted the presence, and demanded, "Who are you? Just who the Hell are you, damnit!"
It did not answer my question, but it did leave, and it never came back.
Author: Eternity
Posted: Tues Feb 13 2001 08:38 pm
I had something funny happen to me that is kinda similar to what I think is SP. In fact it just happened the other night. I've often been half-woken up and felt paralized. I usually don't feel an evil presence, but last night I woke up with an idea that someone was going to kill me. In fact I got a picture, like as if it was a premonition but obviously I'm not dead. Definetely kind of unnerving though. Does anyone know what the address for the sleep paralysis is?
Author: old bob
Posted: Mon Feb 19 2001 03:38 pm
you all.... i woke up wet in bed once  ...does count as anything
Author: Tom
Posted: Sat Feb 24 2001 10:32 am
Wehn I meantioned Sleep paralisis in the org, what I got was simplified 'solutions", such as "you see yo just have to drink cal mag. See there, solution handled". In other words an "any "solution" is THE solution." Doctors do this. Just "give the guy some pills. Don't matter if they work or not, as long as I gave him some pills then I did my job". A simple acknolwedgment would have done more good than, "see, just drink cal mag".
Author: Eternity
Posted: Fri May 11 2001 08:22 am
If anyone knows the URL for the sleep paralysis website, please post it. Thanks!
Author: Tanya C.
Posted: Mon Aug 13 2001 08:10 am
Hi,
If anyone'd be so kind as to give some more info about this Xinu thing, I'd appreciate it much. Been trying to explain it to someone but due to my lack of scio experience felt like trying to explain what a computer is to a middle age peasant (there've been some 'insiders' claims recently, perhaps some of them guys/galls could fill this in)
Thanks!
Cris
Author: Tanya C.
Posted: Mon Aug 13 2001 10:21 am
(pardon me, nothing wrong with middle age peasants - that is, no offense meant)
Cris
Author: VAST
Posted: Thur Aug 16 2001 10:44 pm
Hello Tanya.C. Well, since no one responded to you, I will. I am very familiar with XENU and his wiley ways. First of all, I want to share with you something a good friend just presented to me a few days ago to archive in my esoteric collection of things. It was written by her on receipt of a comm from XENU himself, and how he wanted a "cert" to be written by her about him and what he wanted the "cert" to say. I think it sums up nicely a fair description of his character.
"This is to certify that the being known as XENU is hereby acknowledged as having enturbulated and trapped more beings, more often and for longer periods of time, than any other being in all of the Games; getting beings to misuse their abilities so as not to be able to accomplish what they want through using those abilities, and instead using their abilities to do themselves in. And that he needed the most auditing of any being in the Games.".
I hope this clarifies a little. XENU is a thetan, like you and I are, it's just that he never agreed to any of the rules of the Games that ALL the other players agreed to. He has been sabotageing the Games ever since. When you have done the Clearing Course, or various OT levels, you will understand his handiwork a little better. I have found some of his favorite methods of enturbulation are to get the thetan to agree to something first(thus creating a decision which will be expounded upon later), then "False Train" them(a non-engramic event and difficult to spot, but, designed to lessen the being in a way), then forcefully implant them later to really bog things(check Scn. Tech dictionary for further explanation). He also INFILTRATES covertly various groups and games, creates 3rd party and sets up a "Divide and Conquer" scenario to assume control( i.e. CofS 1980 era here). You can also read the 12 characteristics of an SP, or anti social personality traits in the Scn. ethics book, (I recommend an older copy to read, not a newer one). Or you can get your hands on "Revolt in the Stars", a screenplay by LRH. It will definitely give you a description of one of XENU's lowlights. Then there's the various PTS and SP tech that LRH compiled. Very good stuff indeed. The very best way to handle the effects of XENU, however, are for YOU to do your bridge. As you expand up your bridge you will increase your ability and understanding tremendously. Then things like XENU, or implants, or any other problems will go by the wayside and just be an experience in the Games of Life.
ronsorg@bellsouth.net
Author: Eternity
Posted: Thur Aug 16 2001 11:22 pm
Hi Vast! Where is zenu today?
Author: searching
Posted: Thur Aug 16 2001 11:45 pm
Thankyou VAST. I had noticed this origination but was hoping someone else with at least some personal reality on the character would answer. My own explanation would not have compared.
Author: VAST
Posted: Fri Aug 17 2001 06:42 am
Hello Eternity. He's around somewhere, I am sure.
Author: Tanya C.
Posted: Fri Aug 17 2001 07:11 am
Hello Vast,
Thanks very much for your clarification.
Cris
Author: flowrite
Posted: Thur Oct 25 2001 04:35 pm
Hello Tom
Are you still around? I was wondering if you ever sorted out your recurring sleep paralyses problem. A couple of weeks ago I had a similar experience, rather pleasant though this time, for a change.
flowrite
Author: Tom
Posted: Fri Oct 26 2001 10:08 am
You added the word "recurring" for dramatic purposes I presume. No further incidents.
Author: flowrite
Posted: Fri Oct 26 2001 10:34 am
No drama intended I assure you. Glad to hear it has passed
flowrite
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