Ron's org
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Ron's org
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Author: NOANSWER
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 06:23 am
There are quite some people here who really recommend that one should do the bridge at Ron's org.
Has anyone tried to get in touch with Ron's org?
I did! And every time I did, THE COMMUNICATION WAS CUT OFF.
If they really have the full bridge, why in the hell is nobody finishing their communication cycles.
Are they afraid of being infiltrated? Are they too busy, with themselves? Whatever it is, it's damn bad PR to leave communication cycles unfinished, when someone expresses interest in your potential product.
NOANSWER
BTW does anyone have any experience with the free solo procedure. (I have been using it for about six weeks, getting 15 TA-divisions per hour)
Author: Journeyman
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 11:14 am
NOANSWER- I used to run into that same difficulty, and I considered it a major outpoint, also. However, people from Ron's Orgs are now frequent "out of the closet" posters to this site. I am sure this will not continue to be a problem. Look for posts from VAST, Marianne Hagen, Scipher and Rudy (did I miss some?), as they are very likely to respond directly.
I think it was just a phenomenon of "so many comm lines, so little time" in the past.
kgb
Author: pinolero
Posted: Fri Jul 13 2001 09:56 pm
Also from some guy in Mexico for spanish the thing was also about "this is only for the chosen etical few"
Author: Rudy
Posted: Sun Jul 15 2001 09:54 am
Thanks for the ack KGB.
NOANSWER,
Sorry for your less than successful comm with Ron's Orgs. I understand your frustration, and I would be pissed off with that sort of experience. Ron's Org is A NETWORK of self-determined (as opposed to org controlled) individuals with the same intention of using and promoting the LRH/CBR bridge. Individuals are only as reliable as their own sense of purpose, ethics, resources, and common courtesy will demand.
I promise you this, I can connect you with those that WILL handle your communication properly, whether that is total support of getting you up THE bridge, or handling you if you are a church plant (and we WILL know).
What can I do for you?
Author: Rudy
Posted: Sun Jul 15 2001 09:57 am
NOANSWER,
If you want to take this off-line contact ronsorg@bellsouth.net
Rudy
Author: NOANSWER
Posted: Sun Jul 15 2001 03:52 pm
Hi Journeyman and Rudy,
Thanks for the explanations. Right now I'm in touch with someone who is properly handling my communication.
NOANSWER
Author: Journeyman
Posted: Sun Jul 15 2001 05:24 pm
Excellent.
kgb
Author: VAST
Posted: Tues Jul 17 2001 08:29 pm
Hi Rudy. Thank you for handling that cycle. You are a most extraordinary and valuable being. Thank you for being my friend, the pleasure of your company has infinite rewards for me.
Author: Rudy
Posted: Tues Jul 17 2001 10:13 pm
AAAAAAHHHHHHH its nuuuuthing!
Author: Marianne and VAST
Posted: Thur Jul 19 2001 10:15 pm
Hey RUDY! How's the pool in hot 'lanta?
Author: NOANSWER
Posted: Fri Jul 20 2001 12:31 pm
What is hot 'lanta'?
NOANSWER
Author: Rudy
Posted: Fri Jul 20 2001 03:21 pm
Marianne and VAST,
The 'pool' has gone through quite a metamorphosis:
Started out very dark and foreboding, but with an intention and willingness to change, has progressed through stages of stasis, confusion, depression, hostility, resistance, interest, and enthusiastic change. In the beginning I didn't want to handle it, but went to the pool supply store you introduced me to and found some technology with which to 'clear' all the crap out of it and restore it to it's natural state again. Was skeptical at first and had a lot of questions about the tools and materials used by this store. But with a little research, I learned that the distributors of this tech had much experience, credibility, and a large and growing clientele. Sure, some distributors didn't have the correct materials and tools, used them wrong, or even used them for harmful purposes, but I KNEW this was a problem caused by the distributors themselves, not inherent in the technology. Despite all the reasons not to continue , some from within and some that seemed to come from my environment,I pushed on.
During my struggle I knew in my heart what I wanted to happen, what I was longing for; I could remember (or at least sense) what it was like to have a crystal clear swimming pool to enjoy and get great benefit from. Not only was this for myself but others also!
With great intention and determination I used the materials and tools AS INSTRUCTED specifically by the distributor. The funny thing is, just having the materials and reading the labels did nothing on their own. I had to actually apply the materials and tools exactly as instructed. When I did this, significant change occurred and the pool got better. When I did not follow the directions, the pool not only did not get better, it reversed any progress made thus far and got cloudier. So I learned from my mistakes and had incredible wins.
The pool is not totally cleared out yet, but I can actually see the bottom in the shallow end and it becomes less cloudy everyday as long as I vacuum and continue to use the tech. Now, the DEEP end is still very enturbulated and cloudy, but it is very light in color and I can now see the sides. This is a tremendous improvement over the recent past.
I did notice the vacuum hose was faulty and couldn't really do it's job properly (negative suckage). Now that I was getting ready to handle the deep end (and I had already worked on it some) I needed some 'horsepower' so I found a replacement. No, MH there are not horses grazing around the yard, this is an American term for strength, force, stamina, etc.
So, to make a long allegory longer, the pool is now in great shape (compared to how it's been)! I know now that I have the means to follow through with success. I have accomplished a lot and will continue unthwarted towards my goal.
Should this happen to other swimming pools, I will not hesitate to share my success and offer assistance. One day WE ALL will enjoy crystal clear, and refreshing
water to relieve the saturating sting of the Southern summer sun and simultaneously rehydrate our souls.
Author: Journeyman
Posted: Sat Jul 21 2001 10:05 am
Ouch.
kgb
Author: Ralph
Posted: Mon Jul 23 2001 04:18 am
From Captain Bill Debrief
TECH BRIEFING No 1
Frankfurt, 12th October 1984
by Capt. Bill Robertson
It is important to understand what LRH did during the last 20 to 30 years. His main job
was to develop, research and publish the technology. The other things he did, like starting
the orgs and doing management and so on, were secondary. That was done as a necessary
thing to protect the technology, and to keep it expanding. But he has stated many times,
that when ever things got tough in the world, or if there was a big attack on Scientology,
then he would always go back and finish the technical research for the next level, so that
this new or later developments that he would find and put out, would keep people moving
up the bridge, and they would there+ore be better able to confront and handle whatever
attacks were being made against Scientology.
The last time that I have seen LRH personally, which was in the year 1980, in the fall, he
had just completed the final technical development and research on the presentation of
standard tech by film, by pictures, so it can never be altered by anyone in the future.
It is very interesting to note, that those films are no longer available in the church. We are
trying to get copies, but the excuses they give are, that the films show people who are
declared, and that they are scratched, and some are damaged, and that "we don't use them
anymore".
Now, anyone of you that knows the HCOPL 17Jun70 "Technical Degrades", will realize
that this is the technical proof that LRH could not be behind RTC, because he would never
have allowed anything that he developed to give exactly how the TRs and metering should
be used, not to be used anymore. We are just talking about the technical side this time. In
the years, that I worked with Ron, he explained to me a few times, what his main job in the
research was. It was basically, he said, like going into a dark room, opening a door into a
dark room, and trying to find a door at the other end. Without a light or a guidebook. He
said the only thing he would go in with would be an E-Meter. As he would bump into
things, or run into difficulties in the "room" (or level) that he was researching, he would then
have to find out, how he could get back to the door and start again with the E-Meter. And
finally after exploring the various ways to get through this area, he would finally find the
door at the other side, and could go into the next level.
"Now, he said, the bulletins you see written, are the exact path through the room, there are
many other things that could be written, but they are not the direct path through the room."
In the C/Sing of a level we find certain remedies and corrections, which help people get
back to that path through the room, if they go off into the wrong direction. These are the
correction programs and so on. You see that in various things like the green form, the
resistive case bulletins, and the things handling various types of things on the GF40 and
other list actions, and so on. These exact things and some of the remedies, and some of the
OT Correction handlings, when a case caves in, these are the various ways to get back on
to that path.
Now we have found out, that after 1980, when Ron did go off the lines (because he
disappeared from the place where he was working at that time in California), that certain
technical bulletins have appeared, but I happen to know, and so do many other technical
terminals, that in the materials parts are written by LRH. Parts of them. Other parts are not
written by him, these are parts of his research, they come from his research notes of the
past, which he did not want to put into the levels, because they are not the direct path to
the door. Alright, this is the reason, that in the Free Zone technical centers there are many
Solo Nots Completions, I think there are 20 to 30 right now, and so far in the church there
is only one or maybe a few more, but they are only promoting, that there is one.
We cannot analyze the church s technology anymore by the policy of Scientology, we can
only analyze it by the emotion of greed in asking people "pay,pay,pay" for more, to not go
through the room, but wander around in it for d while until all the money is gone.
I hope you understand this. That describes to you, what Ron went through to do the
research to give you the bridge.
His work day on the Flag Ship, when I was there for 6 to 7 years, that I observed him
working was: every day in his whole schedule was approximately eight hours a day
devoted to tech and eight hours devoted to handle management, admin and ships affairs. I
never saw him work less than 16 hours a day in that six years, never saw him get a
pay-check for the week of more than 80 dollars. I do know, that when we were ready to
come to America and go off the ship, that if Ron had wanted to take all of the Sea Org
reserve monies, which was at that time about a hundred million dollars (for the Sea Org,
for the churches for making buildings and continuing expansion, that is what it is for), that if
he wanted to go and disappear with all the money, that we would have said, "OK,
fantastic, he has done a fantastic job". But he didn't do that. He went to America and
carried on finishing the NOTs research and OT level research, and doing the films, the
technical standard films, knowing already, that there were many, shall we say people, who
in the United States were waiting to attack him and his family. This does not sound like the
actions of a man who is operating on a basis of just money.
The lies spread about LRH are proportional to the overts,
that those people, who spread the lies, have done against him
and his family.
The people, who transmit or relay the lies especially amongst Scientologists, are merely
people who probably have not made the place on the grade chart, where they are
supposed to be. Because anyone who has gains from Scientology and real wins or abilities,
knows Ron s purpose on this planet.
His first duty was to help thetans to rehabilitate and go back to their native state, and that it
was in fact a way to become self determined and pan-determined and at cause again.
Even the last possibility of a person remaining at effect was covered by LRH in the tech,
where he said on the Class 8 course, "the last thing you will have to run out, the last thing,
is your track of auditing, because, you realize, that from the definition of a thetan at cause,
that whenever he is sitting in an auditing chair, no matter how good the auditing is by the
auditor s code, which puts the PC at cause over his case, and helps him, he was still
scheduled by the auditor, he was told to pick up the cans, told to start, and to end, and he
was under control, though it is a control that is leading him in the direction of getting him
free", and Ron said, even that little bit of the person at effect has to be audited.
So, auditing is not a trap, Scientology is not a trap, but it can be used as a trap, if the
purpose of LRH is not followed.
Now to that point I ask you if there are any questions about LRH or anything I have said,
because now I tell you next about what we do in Frankfurt.
Question from a person at the event: "There are many bulletins after 1980 like data about
checking grades processes for reads and that sort of thing, now how do we know where
ends the data?"
I covered this point with several tech people in England and America between 1980 and
1982, and it was decided at that point {it is arbitrary of course, but it is a decision and it works), that we take the end of 1980, because that is the last time, we can be sure, that LRH was there and receiving any technical bulletins back and forth for OK, and his
approval, and all these auditors that have audited some 20 years, and when done correctly,
have great results with all the tech from before that, so there seems to be no reason to
actually change it.
Author: Rudy
Posted: Mon Jul 23 2001 05:13 pm
Ralph,
I met CBR about 18 yrs ago in a situation that didn't allow me to get to know him (unfortunately), but I did perceive a very powerful beingness.
I have had unimaginable wins using LRH's tech and continued research CBR did. This also continues with Marianne Hagen and others. I am very proud and honored to be associated with these beings who have taken responsibility for this universe.
Author: VAST
Posted: Wed Jul 25 2001 05:45 pm
Hello Ralph. Thank you for your post. I believe it was just the right thing at the right time. Also, thank you RUDY. I am honored to know you are a friend. The legacy of the tech lives on in the hearts and minds and universes of those that understand it and apply it. May we all experience the endless joys it brings in it's proper applications.
Author: Rudy
Posted: Thur Jul 26 2001 01:09 pm
VAST,
Back at cha! I am ready for you guys to come home now.
Author: Injun
Posted: Fri Jul 27 2001 09:17 am
I'm reading some Ron's org stuff.
My new viewpoint is Ron's Org IS the church. The statistics of Ron's org are the statistics of the church. Flow power to Ron's org. Ron's org maintained it's integrity in 1980, so much thanks to Captain Bill. It wasn't stopped then. It will never be stopped.
The "official" church claims the right to call themselves Scientologists by rights under the law only (not by definition). A comparable datum would be someone passing a law to call dog a cat, as if that makes it true.
Captain Bill lived up to being OT in his actions and he granted no authority to stops whatsover. He plowed on through stops on top of stops. He defeated impossible odds. And thanks to him the integrity of the real church has never been shaken. Nothing ever changed. The statistics of the REAL church are still going up, up.
I'm thinking, whew!! scared me for a while, but look, Captain Bill came through and the church is still alive and well. It's a bloody miracle!!!!
Author: Rudy
Posted: Fri Jul 27 2001 09:25 am
Injun,
It is not a miracle, its called 'KSW' with a little command intention thrown in.
Author: Injun
Posted: Fri Jul 27 2001 09:34 am
Right, and it's actually funny that you clarified. Just seems like a miracle.
Something I noticed is that "miricle" implys "against the odds" and a person intent on producing miricles is postulating at the same time that his success will be improbable.
Author: VAST
Posted: Sat Jul 28 2001 11:31 am
Hello Injun. Thank you for your post. I agree with you regarding the validity of the bridge at RONS ORG. It is available for all who reach for it.
ronsorg@bellsouth.net
Author: Tamerlaine Jones
Posted: Sun Aug 12 2001 09:47 pm
Is there a link for Ron's Org stuff on the web?
Author: Scipher
Posted: Sun Aug 12 2001 10:35 pm
Hi Tamerlaine,
This should be the top link for Ron's Org http://www.freezone.de/ .
There is also a link on the main page of FZA to the US mirror version.
Enjoy!
Author: Rudy
Posted: Sun Aug 12 2001 10:41 pm
Thanks Scipher,
I was about to respond when I was interrupted by my auditor and C/S who had the audacity to question MY intention for sessionability. The nerve!
Author: VAST
Posted: Sun Aug 12 2001 10:41 pm
Hello Scipher. It was nice of you to handle that. Thank you. How are things where you are?
Author: Scipher
Posted: Sun Aug 12 2001 11:17 pm
Hi guys! This is almost real-time comm, wow! It's Monday morning and rainingÖ uhmÖ fish? (Gee, it's hard to be original on a Monday morning ) As for my bridge I should be finishing upper indoc TR's within the next couple of days. I can still feel the ashtray effect.
We now have a 'Ron's Org' plaque hanging at the entrance to the building our office is in. Can you imagine that!
VAST, my congratulations to your father. Fantastic!
Rudy, I only had 4 point 5 hours sleep last night and feel fine. You should be fine too!
Author: MerlinSRC
Posted: Mon Aug 13 2001 07:19 pm
Scientology is an applied religious philosophy.
It is not a building. It isn't a course. It isn't doing the bridge. It isn't being on staff. That's all things that might be true at a group called C of S or Rons Org, or whatever.
But if you apply Scientology you are being a Scientologist.
You can increase in wisdom by it's study and application, and you can increase in competence, and you ARC and KRC can increase.
Some people can apply this applied religious philosophy well.
They can help you improve your life, get rid of unwanted conditions, and increase the number of wanted conditions.
They can also give you more problems (joke - although more is actually better).
When you find someone who can deliver this applied religious philosophy well, use them.
It's not having the materials. It's applying the subject.
It's a fun subject, and shouldn't really be all that serious.
when you find a group that not only doesn't apply it well, but actually ends up killing off people, and destroying peoples lives and dreams - well I'd avoid those people, regardless of their fancy name, and all the Mest they may own - they aren't really very good at Scientology the applied religious philosophy.
It's not surprising that some organization with the fancy Mest, and the money, and name, and brand can't apply it well, they live in a society that is carefully controlled in the direction of everyone being totally locked in a box, , and that box gets smaller and smaller, and people are supposed to take lots of Med's and drugs, and feel happy, even though they aren't happy, and are supposed to only be do and have what is approved. And that organization stopped applying Scientology and started applying being part of the fake synthetic culture of death. Maybe they can apply it a little better since they use some of the wisdom to really spring the trap.
It's just not true that anyone is going to be trapped forever. It's not going to happen, we'll dig them out, and we have been digging them out from old traps. But there is a group that sure like to threaten people that that's where they will end up.
Now Scientology the religious philosophy can eat up controlling groups like that, but it actually has to be applied, and you need the people who can apply that tech well.
Thats what a Well done Excalibur does, it free's you of the ever closing trap, and springs you into playing bigger and better games of your own choosing. And people who can deliver that should be supported.
There are many other parts to the philosophy of Scientology, and many people who can deliver them well.
Learn all of it, use it well, and find and support others that understand, deliver and use it well.
Love,
Richard
Author: VAST
Posted: Mon Aug 13 2001 07:49 pm
Hello Merlin. Like a Pearl white sun shining bright from a Central point, you have brought wisdom from darkness to the lives of many here. Thank you.
Ronsorg@bellsouth.net
Author: shogun:-
Posted: Tues Aug 14 2001 04:29 pm
*laughing @ Rudy* Good one! :-)
Author: Rudy
Posted: Tues Aug 14 2001 07:29 pm
Thankyooouuuuu, thankyou very muuuch!
Author: Rudy
Posted: Tues Aug 14 2001 07:32 pm
That was my Elvis impression in case you didn't get the intention or the attempt to spell his enuciation.
Author: searching
Posted: Tues Aug 14 2001 08:34 pm
Ronsorg<----
I'd like to know if Ronsorg has the problem of demand for services outstripping supply and if so how does it handle this problem?
Author: Rudy
Posted: Wed Aug 15 2001 08:44 am
searching,
I can only speak for our group. We are getting to that point
and constantly coping and organizing, training and auditing.
When you are surrounded by true OTs, command intention is the source from which all activity takes place. Bank and any counter-intention get handle very rapidly.
Since we have the correct tech (the LRH_CBR bridge) and it is applied correctly, phenomenal results are experienced consistently. We are 'pulling-in' exceptional beings to join us and that expansion is much needed. Since we get a lot of people who have left the church, there is a great resource for already uptone, loyal, and trained individuals. We deliver what was promised when people got into Scientology, and that creates a great demand.
Why do you ask?
Author: searching
Posted: Wed Aug 15 2001 04:55 pm
I was just asking because in the CoS I think money tends to be used to as the factor to balance supply and demand. I think there's a reference saying to the effect that auditing should be expensive enough to encourage people to go and train. Unfortunately, in my local area at least, I don't see the resources for the supply of services increasing at any great rate and auditors are in short supply. All this suggests to me that something isn't quite right, although it could just be our own misapplication of standard policy. Does Ronsorg utilise non-professional coaudits(read-it, drill-it, do-it)as a means of getting people up the Bridge quickly and onto their solo levels?
Author: searching
Posted: Fri Aug 17 2001 06:18 pm
Rudy/Ronsorg<----
I was actually curious about the lower Bridge handling and if this was addressed any differently at Rons Org as per my question above.
Author: Rudy
Posted: Fri Aug 17 2001 10:53 pm
searching,
Sorry for the lag...
It is always good to check, but don't always assume you are misapplying policy. In our experience, there is an awfull lot of counter-intention from case, the environment, and 'behind the scenes' forces to succeeding with the goal of clearing. Constant application of ethics and tech under the motivation of 'eternal vigilance' handles a great deal of this counter-intention. If upper-level phenomenon is suspected and above your group's experience, network with those that do have OT experience in handling that stuff.
I could of sworn I had replied to your question about co-auditing but alas, I didn't. So the answer is yes we are firm believers in co-auditing, this is a great way to bypass financial barriers to going up the bridge. As far as 'quickly', that is not an activity we like to do. We do things 'efficiently' but it takes as long as it takes. Different people have different cases and learning abilities so THAT really determines how fast one progresses. We use a workshop format using study tech, flipchart, and super-learning technology. This makes learning very comprehensive and efficient. Then we twin people up for supervised practical application. This creates an uptone, fun, and effective environment that returns great wins.
Author: searching
Posted: Sat Aug 18 2001 01:43 am
I'm sorry I'm not familar with 'flipchart' and 'super-learning technology'. Any chance of a quick but efficient explanation?
How would this upper level phenomena manifest itself?
Author: searching
Posted: Sun Aug 26 2001 02:18 am
Could any Ron's Org terminal answer the above questions? I was curious about the new concepts and whether they were additional LRH stuff or some imported workable tech.
Author: Rudy
Posted: Sun Aug 26 2001 09:32 am
Sorry searching,
I seemed to have dropped our comm when the thread disappeared.
The use of these systems of learning are used by my group and maybe one other that I know of, not nessessarily by all RonsOrg terminals.
The combination of flipchart and Superlearning tech is this:
Flipcharts are simply those large pads of blank paper that sit on a tripod stand for making large diagrams and text visible to an audience (used a lot in the corporate world).
After several pages are complete, they are placed on wall for immediate individual review and eventually a partnered review.
Superlearning in a technique for groups to learn faster with better comprehension through the sycronization of left and right hemisperes of the brain by use of multi-senses stimuli. Those stimuli are music, colors (colored markers for flipcharts and for note taking), precisely scheduled breaks, audience participation, etc. See http://www.superlearning.com/works.htm for more info.
When combined with existing study tech it becomes a very successfull method of training efficiently and with much comprehension and success.
We actually deliver a seminar called 'The Seminar Seminar' to teach groups how to apply all this successfully.
About the upper level manifestation, this is a can of worms I probably shouldn't have opened. Suffice it to say constant vigilance to counter-intention is best done with regular auditing, ethics, and admin. Keep applying the tech! Find the counter-intention. Handle the failed goals, O/Ws, all ruds, 3rd party, current levels that you are on, etc.
The manifestation of upper-level counter-intention in my experience can be the manipulation or hinderance of any of the above. Finding the source of it would depend on your case/training level. Sorry if this is a bit too vague for you.
Author: searching
Posted: Sun Aug 26 2001 04:51 pm
Rudy<----
Thanks, Sounds a bit different from the 'What is a Course' PL but if you find it a successful action then by all means go for it.
Would you be suspect of the removal of a fully trained ClVIII Snr C/S from an Org to go uplines with only a part-time uncontracted, not-in-the-Org C/S left to hold his hat? Even if it was supposed to be for the greatest good?
Author: Marianne Hagen Senior C/S RONS Org U.S.
Posted: Sun Aug 26 2001 07:33 pm
Rudy asked me to add a more complete and accurate description of how Super Learning relates to the workshops we do on the lower levels of training. It is well understood by ex C of S delivery terminals that the church periodically attempts to interfere with free zone tech delivery. After I became a free zone delivery terminal, I was astounded to find that the local C of S apparently had so little to do that they would send a GO - old designation for OSA - terminal to try to interfere with us running a comm course for half a dozen people in a motel!
The second thing that was noticeable in the field is that as the pace of living has accelerated, and without the specter of ethics looming over students and PCs, it was more difficult to get people trained in a reasonable time frame that wouldn't disrupt their lives. You can't take on a brand new person who's never heard the word Scientology and tell them they have to come to course every night for an indefinite period of time. Not to mention the fact that C of S had course supervisors available all the time on a staff contract getting about $10 a week. Much more difficult for the field to do. Eating and sleeping and taking care of our other dynamics has higher priority than it did on staff or in Sea Org. And does require either income or an independent source of wealth.
Also, there have always been problems with trying to make clearing and getting up the bridge affordable to as many people as possible. Thus, the concepts of clearing training workshops are a workable solution.
There is an early LRH tape that discusses co-audit, in which he talks about never getting where we want to go unless regular volume co-audit is occurring, that training is essential, and the HGC "clinic" approach, won't get the planet cleared.
One of the strong tendencies I noticed in the 80's as the Independent Field developed, especially in the USA, was that independent auditors focussed predominantly on auditing, and training new auditors seemed to be quite neglected. The development of the RON'S Orgs saw training being given a higher priority, but there still seems to be less training going on in proportion to the demand for well-trained experienced auditors.
So taking all the above into consideration, and after a number of us in Australasia attended a series of SuperLearning style seminars delivered internationally by three OT 9's who were on the RON'S Org Bridge, basic workshops and training started to develop to get whole groups of people trained on basics and in the chair in co-audits, getting experience. Trs, metering, simple repetitive processes HAS co-audit style, basic incident running were the main focus of this training. Beginning with the Key To Life concept of training in pictures, which also gets around any copyright issues very neatly. SuperLearning as defined off the SuperLearning website is not a very accurate definition of how we apply it to tech. It is interactive learning involving all the perceptics, colored pictures of clearing basics and principles and "how-tos", continuous questioning of the students to answer questions rather than a one-way flow of data that overloads them, hands-on practical experience so one can quickly "own" the material, so it gets very familiar and easy to just sit down and run a session without a lot of arbitrary additives. First you have them get competent with basics, then you can start adding refinements and fine distinctions about clearing. I am sure people recall how C Of S would run big Book One co-audits with pretty much raw public - this is similar. And I knew of quite a number of so-called Class 4's trained in my area who never did a session since the day they graduated. Whereas I have a number of trainees in the interactive hand-on method who will sit down with someone and run an incident on them with no backoff whatever, just following simple rules of clearing. Last week I was on the phone to New Zealand to one of my grads from a simple 2 day co-clearing seminar, and she told me that the basics of the clearing she learned were still the most effective thing she had encountered, and that last year she used some of the basics on her mother who was seriously ill, to clear up stress, etc. And so far, without going into details, mother is doing just fine.
Well, this is a rather roundabout way of explaining that the official definition of SuperLearning is not that accurate as far as how we train people on basics, but it is much easier to promote it that way to new people without using the S-word.
Author: searching
Posted: Sun Aug 26 2001 11:38 pm
Marianne <----
Thank you very much for taking the time to clear this up. It definitely sounds very different from my experiences but as I said before, if it has proved to be a successful action then it must be a good thing.
Author: shogun
Posted: Mon Aug 27 2001 12:44 am
Hello there, Marianne! Nice to me you :-) May I ask you...who is the this-life creator of "Super Learning"? In the Clearing Course, do you run the GPM Affinity list left to right throught it, or deviate in anyway? Do many of your OT's have problems with... basic communication ("must hide my knowledge" compulsions), being able to not talk tech and terms with folks in their lives, or problems with a compulsion to protect "the tech"? I see this quite a lot with folks who get auditing...just curious. Do you use anything besides a MK-5 meter or "improved" MK-5 model? Ever use a MK-VI meter on NOTS? I would appreciate your response. For what it's worth, I have seen the com of some who you have audited, and for the most part, they are enjoyable to talk with (or whatever one may call what we do on the board). Bravo! Not needing to validate you, just that I like to honor those when honor is due...I think it's just good form :-)
Author: Kheinsa
Posted: Mon Aug 27 2001 11:34 am
Senior C/S
I am Kheinsa. I am new to this area of the tech. I rather not call myself an Scientologist anymore. I am for the tech and I want to be an auditor.
I didn't do very well on the courses I took in the church. I learn better by doing than reading. IT is more mass for me. I don't like pushing to go faster and going past MU's. I don't like the points system. I never really got into them.
I am in the stage of learning about the history and management of the church. That is why I rather call mey self a auditor one day and a person who frees others.
LIke Ron says some words pick up bad vibes and that one has. I want to go free and free others.
I have stopped my flow towards the church. I have a comm line to Rudy. HE has my e-mail address. I want to know where to go from here.
I have a PT situation to handle. I don't make a lot of money and I want what is right. I busted my butt to get 2 grand in the church. Now it sits there not to be used. I will not flow towards what I have been reading.
I feel sorry for the lost souls. I care for a few of them. I know they will not believe me. Sometimes one must hit the wall at warp speed to see the truth. I almost gave up. I mean give up in this life. I decided to fight back and now I am glad I did. I find truth. I know it it is truth because I know feel better.
I was deadfiled for I fought for truth. The program I was given is not do-able for it is based on the squirrel tech. Whenever I speak of the church most run. That is why the program is undoable. The rest isn't bad but as Rudy tells me he don't think it is my item. I tend to agree. I am doing better all the time since I found this data out.
I do have a PTS sit at work and I will have to handle by getting another job. I also need to buy my own car to have freedom of movement.
One don't cut the comm unless you have no other choice. You can control the comm.
Now Where do I go from here?
I will continue to read but I feel I am close to reading what I need to. I just read to get all the data. My doubt is fast disappearing. I rely on what I have seen and know about the church. What do you know I can know. I can be me and say what is right. I am special for I don't give up. I sure came close this time.
Where do I go from here?
Kheinsa
Author: Journeyman
Posted: Mon Aug 27 2001 12:18 pm
Kheinsa, I know that your post was intended for Marianne, but I just wanted to say that I feel where you are coming from, and I am glad you chose to fight and reach for the truth. I don't know what your next tech step is, but I am sure Marianne could tell you, if you got an interview with her. She is an incredible person to talk to, I have talked with her twice, on the phone, and she really gets to the heart of things very quickly. As a note, if you do not intend to flow towards the Church, I suggest you immediately demand a refund. They will give you a hard time, and it would mean the end of your relationship with the Church, but you would be enabled to immediately use that money for your advancement, in whatever way you like. Good luck, and look here for support.
kgb
Author: Pathfinder
Posted: Mon Aug 27 2001 05:02 pm
Journeyman
I looked in the dictionary at the words refund and repayment.I think refund could leave someone in a Q&A situation.Repayment seems like it gets more to the point of who owe's who money.
Author: Marianne Hagen, Snr C/S RONS Org USA
Posted: Mon Aug 27 2001 05:35 pm
Some answers. I rarely go near the Web - I am a 20 wpm typist - and normally Rudy and VAST answer most questions they can, and check with me regarding tech issues. So I hope it's OK if they answer most of the questions, and I just want to answer something they don't have the data on.
SuperLearning was observed and developed by Georges Lazhanov - I may not have the spelling right - in Bulgaria.
Kheinsa, Rudy has probably already told u the usual way we start someone new is to do what is called a "Case Research Interview" on a meter, to get a full picture of where u r at and what your abilities are. I don't know your history or physical location at the moment, so it's not an easliy answered question. Confronting and handling and studying LRH material is always a good idea if u have no immediate access to tech. It sounds as tho u r applying what u have learned so far which is excellent and very valuable training in itself.
By the way, until we reach advanced levels, the term we have adopted for obvious reasons is "Clearing Facilitator". It communicates very nicely the essence of clearing.
When we assemble a group who wants to learn basics, a person off the street, as long as they don't have a resistive case, can be trained to audit basic repetitive processes and run incidents, without a meter, in 2 and a half to three weeks. That includes 5 days of intensive TRs. It sounds as tho the interactive style of training would work well for you. I wrote something on this site about it a few months ago but VAST would have to locate it for u. I am Internet-illitrate by choice, my skills are in applying and teaching the freeing technologies.
Searching, Shogun and Journeyman, thank you for the acknowledgments. They are appreciated, especially in Georgia, sweating over a hot meter )
Re CC: I would rather not answer that on a public discussion board for obvious reasons, email VAST and we will endeavour to answer that.
Author: Marianne Hagen
Posted: Mon Aug 27 2001 05:48 pm
While scrolling thru early messages I was highly amused by Rudy's post re the pool! A very nice analogy, but probably puzzling to those not aware of the fact we have a pool and it was recipient of a LOT of mud during a major storm a couple months ago. Rudy's attempts to get it clear, with the analogy of handling a case, I hadn't read because the rest of the team were out of town on a delivery trip, but I like it a lot!
I also saw an unanswered q re what is hot'lanta. That is a local expression, they refer to Atlanta as Hot'lanta, sometimes on the local news. Sorry we left u with a misunderstood!
Author: John
Posted: Mon Aug 27 2001 06:50 pm
I like the term facilitator as opposed to auditor. It is a more accurate way of stating the goals of an individual therapist. You are simply there as a guide. An auditor has more of a "dig-in-and-pull-the-guts-out" connotation attached. Therapists are there to facilitate, let the client do the digging.
Author: Rudy
Posted: Mon Aug 27 2001 07:34 pm
Rudy,
Oh no! THEY know where I am now!
Author: shogun
Posted: Tues Aug 28 2001 05:19 pm
Marianne, thank you for your response. Atlanta? Ever been to Villa Rica, about 50 miles away? Old town that has been built up around it. They even still have the old pharmacy where my father was a soda jerk...LOL Ever been to The Varsity resturant by Georgia Tech? Now I'm hungry! :-)
Author: Rudy
Posted: Tues Aug 28 2001 09:07 pm
shogun:-)
Do you live in Atlanta now or did you in the past? Family here?
Author: shogun
Posted: Wed Aug 29 2001 02:25 am
Venerable Rudy, my family is from there...I am from the city of lost angels (and the best baseball team....*ducking for cover*). Been through there a number of times. I love southern folks, dont care for the heat and skeeters, love the rest of the seasons. I LOVE the BBQ, chow chow, and manners. If I were not in the music business, I would most probably live there. I just love it when women call me darlin' and honey. By and large, good regular people. :-)
Author: shogun
Posted: Wed Aug 29 2001 02:26 am
We have here some other Los Angeles inhabitants, dont we? Whom are ye? :-)
Author: Rudy
Posted: Wed Aug 29 2001 08:20 am
shogun:-
I on the contrary do not like it here. I am only here for my mission. I am from LA basically, but don't like it there either, incredible amounts of case and electronics, not to mention brown air. My brother is in the music biz also and lives there, but at least he is on tour most of the time.
VAST and I went to see the Dodgers beat the Braves the other day at Turner Field, woohoo! We are both Dodger fans too.
If you ever come to this humid, skeeter-infested, darlin'-loving city you should drop by. None of us are from these parts, but 'sho enuf can smutha ya wit southun hospitality!'
I am starting to feel like a teenybopper writing to a 'pen- pal' so I'll post this now.
Author: kheinsa
Posted: Wed Aug 29 2001 10:15 am
Thank you Marianne for your reply. I don't like that name either. I do like the word Auditor. I'll work it out.
I like to visit Alanta. It is probably like here in the summer. I would like to know of the winters there.
I would like to train. I will have to get a review. I think I smell a trip to Alanta comming up in the future. It is of no harm to check things out. I want to visit the south anyways.
I liked L.A. weather for I didn't get sick there like I do here. The dry air agrees with me very well. I still miss my people.
Journyman. I rather take the money back in a way that will not bar me. I was offered it back and I should have taken it. I was told that rule didn't apply. Could someone check for me. I sure could use it now. I am deadfiled and that may make the difference. I do this so I can keep a comm line in the future with my people.
I am aware I am walking a fine line. I have told them the program is undoable. It relies on others to do it. I am not pushing to get it done either. I read keeping comm lines in is valued.
I am not going back anyways. If I do it is to see my people.
I spoke to my sister via the net last night and I told her of this. She said good. She was in a spitting frame of mind towards the church. I told her of the whys and such. I gave her this site and she may check it out.
See she is now an illegal PC. IN the church I could do nothing of it. As an auditor in the clearing zone I can help. I have a brother who is in very bad shape and maybe I can do something there too.
Rudy I sent severl e-mails and I have had no answer for a while. I would like to discuss some of what I have read.
I am glad you guys are here. I read Ron's org has survived what the church threw at them. That means it has value and it has guts. I have a family to help and that alone will make a world a better place.
I didn't learn to well in the church. I got stressed out and I was passing tests. The GOAT made me just do that. I still don't recall all of what I spouted back at them. It is there in general in some cases. Doing is more important. You do it enough and then you really can think with it. AS Ron said you have judgement.
I think my handle is what I will call me. Kheinsa. Romulan for Counselor. STar Trek. Hey why not.
Kheinsa.
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