The McDonald Papers: David Miscavige Declared Suppressive
Author: Kevin G. Brady (Rockslam) [rockslam@hotmail.co]
Posted: Thur 18 Mar 1999 04:39 pm
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7301/
Follow this link if you can take some straight talk.
These have been on the net since 1997, I read them through mostly one day in the library back when I didn't have my own computer. I advise it. I'm not sure, but I think McDonald is involved with Veritas, and the Squirrel Watcher stuff.
I think he is actually named in the 190,000,000 dollar libel suit against David Miscavige which I believe is currently still underway.
Enjoy
kgb
Author: Anonymous
Posted: Sat 14 Aug 1999 10:12 am
Yes, this makes a good PRIMER for anyone new to the FZ, It should be made prominant at the FZA site... a problem I am finding with this site is a problem in finding the really good interesting 'stuff' it is so often buried in mountains of words - there needs to be some sorting out of the importances and relative data such as by tone level or something (KOOS would be in the .1 victum to -2.2 protecting bodies section). Pilot 20.0 to 40.0. But this was a VERY interesting document.
Author: Adriana
Posted: Sat 14 Aug 1999 08:33 pm
Hey Kevin!
WELCOME BACK!
I actually tried to call you today (thinking it was the 15th)but got no reply seeing that you're still on your way back home.
The reason I'm posting is because I couldn't connect with the above. I tried Geocities, but couldn't find the specific one you're talking about.
I'd sure want to check it out, so .....H E L P !
I'll be e-m'ing you personally, but it's nice to have you back.
ARC,
Adriana
Attn:
Anonymous above
I agree on what you wrote above as to there "being a need to sort out importances and relative data". I have attempted to get people to stick with a certain thread for a certain subject, but to little avail (although there seems to be an improvement lately).
I thank you for pointing this out and invite you to give us some constructive ideas regarding this.
ARC,
Adriana
PS: I know I'm asking for it but .....where would you place me re your tone level assessment? It would be interesting to know how one is perceived by the average reader of this site.
PS 2) Could you please choose an approprate name/identity for yourself? It would greatly assist us in our response.
Adriana (in one of her better moods!)
Author: Mike [mike@fza.org]
Posted: Wed 18 Aug 1999 08:34 am
Hi all,
You can find more about the McDonald suit at:
http://www.clever.net/webwerks/veritas/mitchell/index.htm
Mike
Author: Q1
Posted: Thur 19 Aug 1999 04:57 pm
This is a good thing. I didn't know how to open the swithceroo card, but I think it's the one that deals with SPDs. It looks like these guys know how to play ball.
Author: Q1
Posted: Fri 20 Aug 1999 02:35 am
Looked over the page above. I think DM is sweating.
Author: Jeanny
Posted: Wed 13 Oct 1999 01:20 am
Update: D.M. is sweating alright. I bet he's terrified of being ordered to testify in the Wollersheim case. I wonder how on earth he's going to deny that he's not in control?
Will he go as far as perjuring himself, or will he flee the country (having no doubt stashed a fortune in a Swiss bank account)? What do you think he will do? And, what will happen to the Co$ if he does?
Have you all read the latest on this case? If not let me know, because I have it sitting in my files.
Author: Anonymous
Posted: Mon 18 Oct 1999 07:45 pm
When is the trial date? What is the situation? Is there an internet link?
Author: Jeanny Hansen
Posted: Tues 19 Oct 1999 12:45 am
The trial is taking place even as we speak!
When I get any further news, I'll let you know. Meanwhile the latest is on the separate thread I created. I believe it's in the Scientology section under Information!
By the way Anon, if you're new to this site, please be informed that we all give ourselves an alias, so we can know who to address in our reponse. So, if you don't want to use your real name, find something that fits your personality. OK?
Regards,
Jeanny
Author: Anonymous
Posted: Tues 19 Oct 1999 04:53 pm
If you ever felt any loyalty to Ron, it would be wise to take some time away from FZA and put some time into personal initiative in disseminating true information into the church in the same unending current as the RTC is disseminating their B.S. For those who are taking advantage of David Ms current reign, by their cutting comments here and elsewhere, like a worm backed by a bully, just a reminder that you have had your fun, but the fun is almost over, and not one sentance, one word, not one betrayal will be forgotton. The same is true of those who help.Your courage will not be forgotten.
ahoy
Love All
Tom Bombadil
Author: j
Posted: Tues 19 Oct 1999 05:19 pm
I thought it was you, Dick Hurler.
Author: Jeanny
Posted: Tues 19 Oct 1999 05:26 pm
Attn: Tom
Re your opening sentence: How would I go about doing that?
I have no comm lines into the Church, ever since I got myself declared. Yet, it's an interesting idea (disseming true info). Can you come up with some ideas as to "how"?
Author: Anonymous
Posted: Tues 19 Oct 1999 05:55 pm
Jeanny,
Use your creativity.
Cut lines through with admiration.
Don't do it from an effect point(the identity assigned to you) but as a cause point, a creative cause point.
Don't wait for orders.
That means it's up to you.
Jons lines are "cut", but does that keep him from communicating?
The true info is on the net in the form of on-policy investigation.
USE ARC
The rest is personal initiative.
Author: Jeanny
Posted: Tues 19 Oct 1999 11:30 pm
Attn: Anonymous:
Thank you for your advice, although there's not too much in there that I don't already know and practice.
Also, I don't feel like getting into exchanges with an "Anymous" poster.
I would still like to hear from Tom and get more input on the question I asked.
Then I'll decide if it's worth my time and effort to get onto the comm lines of the "Innies". There are plenty of stranded "Outies" out there.
Author: j
Posted: Tues 19 Oct 1999 11:47 pm
All dupes!
Author: tom
Posted: Wed 20 Oct 1999 02:46 pm
Jeannie,
easy, outflow
get the true info in all it's gory details from the net
and send it to the right place
then watch the fireworks
entheta will never have that effect
but people do have a sense of when something rings true
Tom and anon above
Author: Jeanny
Posted: Wed 20 Oct 1999 05:10 pm
Dear Tom:
Thanks for clearing up the Anon mystery and for your guidelines.
However, if you see some of my postings, you'll notice I have already been sharing this kind of info to this site.
However, my question is: where do I find mailing lists, discussion groups, etc. from those still IN?
Author: j
Posted: Wed 20 Oct 1999 07:02 pm
Excuse me while I wipe my butt with toilet paper.
Author: j
Posted: Thur 21 Oct 1999 12:10 am
Where is that damned potato launcher?
Silly me,
I left it next to the PARTICLE ACCELERATOR!
Author: Kevin G. Brady (Rockslam) [rockslam@hotmail.co]
Posted: Mon 25 Oct 1999 03:06 pm
Jeanny: a suggestion
Look for people who are recently OUT, and ask them if they have any mailing lists or comm lines to people IN. I think most of the people here left between 1977-1985, although some, like myself, left later (1995). The internet didn't really come out of Non-E until around 1995 for most people, and has really been blossoming recently. People who exit the Church in 1999 are likely to have the information you seek. Post your inquiry to A.R.S. It is not the most theta environment, but you might be surprised how useful it can be in creating effects within the Church.
kgb
Author: Anonymous
Posted: Mon 25 Oct 1999 05:45 pm
Kevin, thanks for the McDonald papers link. You must be alright.If the church gets squared away, consider that a contribution to mankind when your case is re-reviewed.
Sam
Author: Thanatea
Posted: Thur 28 Oct 1999 05:14 pm
If International Management can be made to overreact like that just because a bunch of pip-squeaks (in the good sense of the word) like McDonald et al. misses their withholds, what are they doing in their office hours, besides dusting off a few old LRH busts?
Thanatea, the Holy Asp
Author: po
Posted: Fri 29 Oct 1999 07:31 am
Exactly! The policy is set up intetionally so that the management has time on their hands. I think Ron set it up this way deleberately to keep the day-to-day running of things off his plate so he would have more time for research or whatever.
Now the big guys can spend their time making decisions on the big programs, how they think the money should be invested and spent, dusting the busts, rehearsing speeches, doing OT levels not released to the public, etc.
Whenever I speak with someone in the church about my concerns, the answer is invariably, that they are just following LRH. In fact, I have spoken with an RTC terminal recently on also got this same sort of thing. This RTC terminal was actually a very nice person, but my entreaties to speak directly with a more senior terminal are alway met with things like "there is a standard line for that" "write them a letter" "read some more polices" "they are just following LRH", or some such thing. Real communication with the managment is never a part of it.
Basically, my recent big COG on all this is that if they are just following LRH, and they all agree on this, then it really doesn't matter so much who is holding the senior posts. They should just be following LRH anyhow.
In this case they could just as easily replace the senior terminals on a regular basis in order to prevent any one personality from taking control. This, unfortuately, hasn't happend, so they same unaccountable guys have been at the helm for years.
Now that doesn't mean that if we can have Dave tranferred to a different post that we won't get someone worse.
At some level, we may continue to have the same problems in the group again and again do to the general nature of policy itself.
Who then, or what kind of coalition will have the authority to start revising policy?
Author: incitatus
Posted: Sun 31 Oct 1999 08:10 pm
every people has the government it deserves.
A fitting saying, as cynicism (from greek kyon = canis = dog) is at the heart of many politicians and rulers.
The question of legitimacy of rule is a very old one.
The Catholic Church uses holy white smoke to announce "habemus papam".
In Rome, we used to resolve it by adoption, that't why Julius Caesar's last words were "You too, my son Brutus?" - Brutus was his adopted son = his appointed heir.
It is evident that in the early eighties the succession of L.Ron Hubbard was resolved by a coup d'état in the inner bastions of the CofS, David Mayo was one of the losers.
Reality is basically an agreement, and so is the idea of government and the identity of the ruling body - it is put in place by force or whatever, and if not challenged becomes generally accepted by the ruled, through the mechanism of justification - an after the fact (mis)-assignment of cause. Basically, he (whoever he is) is the ruler because he is the ruler - and sits on the appropriate comm lines.
"Quosque tandem, Catilina, abuttere patientia nostra!" (Cicero) - for how long, Catilina, will you continue to tread on our patience.
Incitatus, Senator of Rome
Author: thanatea
Posted: Sun 31 Oct 1999 08:18 pm
poor Sea Orgs,
the problem of "who's going to be the nanny?"
was solved by forbidding them to have children.
Thanatea, the Holy Asp
Author: po
Posted: Mon 1 Nov 1999 06:23 am
Hi Incitatus of Rome,
Good to have you with us.
Just one question. From your experience and perspective, would it be OK in the grand scheme of things to violently or forcefully take over or manipulate the future of the scientology organization?
Also, how would something like Karma, or a "Thetan restraining himself to keep him from committing such overts" fit into the picture? Even if there might be an apparent rightness in directing the group toward a potential greater good?
Author: incitatus
Posted: Mon 1 Nov 1999 04:58 pm
I think that scientologically speaking, karma is another way of saying "What you fight (or oppose) is what you become". The popular hero who overthrows a dictatorship is likely to become the next dictator.
Whoever commits too many overts, will pull in motivators in order to balance the flow and then become a victim.
The optimum solution is the solution which brings the greatest benefit to the greatest number of dynamics. This solution, in order to bring about the greatest benefit, might include war and the destruction of contra-survival groups.
By exaggerating control, greed or censorship, the CofS will cause its own downfall, or a situation of "no results" will determine the demise of the now ruling elite.
I don't think that a push from the outside is going to do it. It has to be a cleansing process from within. But keeping the commlines open, pointing out the errors, like FZers are doing, can be part of it.
Incitatus, Senator of Rome
Author: Jeanny
Posted: Mon 1 Nov 1999 05:28 pm
Dear Incitatus (I almost called you "Ignasius"
Thank you for those wise words! It has confirmed my feeling about what to do about the threat of "the Merchants of Chaos" that have been working on taking over our playing field here on earth.
I have just been given a book which gives a Spiritual solution (both for the Co$ and the conditions on this planet).
However, part of this solution is to spread it by worth of mouth, rather than on public comm lines, such as this.
Keep up the good work!
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