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Re: [COSinvestigations] Re: Joe McCarthy witch-hunts From wisdom@c... Tue Sep 05 08:11:48 2000 Return-Path: <wisdom@c...> Received: (qmail 29183 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2000 15:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Sep 2000 15:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citrine.cyberstation.net) (205.167.0.5) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Sep 2000 15:11:48 -0000 Received: from default (63-147-106-19.cyberstation.net [63.147.106.19]) by citrine.cyberstation.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24800 for <COSinvestigations@egroups.com</a>>; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:11:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000905101149.00815c90@c...> X-Sender: wisdom@c... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:11:49 -0500 To: COSinvestigations@egroups.com</a> Subject: Re: [COSinvestigations] Re: Joe McCarthy witch-hunts In-Reply-To: <8p2vl6+i7lu@e...> References: <8p2t89+k774@e...> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Alan C. Walter" <wisdom@c...> At 02:23 PM 9/5/00 -0000, you wrote: >--- In COSinvestigations@egroups.com</a>, "Croesus 123" <croesus123@a...> > >I want to see a church that holds to the highest ideals that humans >can attain to. I do not want to see the church punished. I want to >see an expanding church that lives and acts up to the ideals I (and >thousands of others) have for it. My ideal scene is NO RPF, NO >disconnection notices, very very few declares, honest and pure ethics >and committees of evidence, a full course room, hundreds of hours of >well done auditing and oh yes a little income. And a church that >doesn't act like the whole world is its enemy. I wholeheartedly agree! Then I suggest we go about doing just that. We need to knock-of the misdirection of handling obvious continuous counter efforts of the present and past CofS and build a an ideal scene or better church or Team. Back in late Dec., 1981, During the Mission Holder Conferences I had the complete CMO and Int Management meet in my suite each day at the Sandcastle, this included DM, Norman Starkey, Bill Franks, Mayo, all the lesser CMO execs. I had an opportunity to watch them in action everyday. I came to the conclusion these were not the people who I wanted in-charge of my future. Nothing they have done since has led me to believe they have gotten better, quite the opposite. It is self evident the bridge in their hands is stopped, they do not have the Tech to make OT's. It is ludicrous to think that handling other spiritual entities will take 10, 20 or even 30 years to get at cause over. The simple reason it is taking this long is the CofS does not know what to do next. Our job is to restore Spiritual Beings back to their optimum levels. To do this requires processing and training in the fullest sense both in session and in life. It is a vast undertaking for any one spiritual individual let alone a team of spiritual beings. We need safe spaces and safe terminals. Lots of them. We DO HAVE the technology for restoring Operating Spiritual Beings. We lack the processors, trainers and the leaders to get it done. The correct technology causes a natural evolution in the Spiritual Beings recovery of self and abilities. It is a simple rising scale of awareness, knowledge, skills, abilities used naturally by uncharged SB's. (Spiritual Beings.) I suggest we adopt the designation O.S.B. (Operating Spiritual Beings.) when discussing OT. Let us begin or in many cases continue to create optimum futures for ourselves and our friends. To do this we need to keep as many people as possible processing and training Alan Application Successes: <a href="http://www.knowledgism.com/Disc/">http://www.knowledgism.com/Disc/</a> Main Page: <a href="http://www.knowledgism.com=20">http://www.knowledgism.com=20</a> Ranch Main Page: <a href="http://www.knowledgism.com/ranch/">http://www.knowledgism.com/ranch/</a> Bookstore Main Page: <a href="http://www.wisdompublishing.com">http://www.wisdompublishing.com</a> "Truth is what it is, and not always what you want it to be" "The answer that makes you right, might not be the right answer." > >You may call me an idealist =96 and yes I am. Support the church on >this German issue. It is the right thing to do. > > > >> Croesus said: >> > >> > >In the early 1950's, the fear of "Communism:" was so >> > >great that people in America were willing to set aside the bill >> > of >> > >rights to 'get those Commies'. Many innocent people >> > >suffered. Hundreds were blacklisted from jobs for years simply >> > >because they went to one Communist meeting. It is still a hot >> > issue >> > >today in America as evidenced by the controversy over giving Eli >> > >Kazan a lifetime Oscar a few years ago. He had apparently helped >> > the >> > >Committe by turning over some names of suspected people. Many of >> > >these people lost careers because of it. The era is now looked >> > upon >> > >as a mistake and a sad commentary to government gone wild. >> > Whatever >> > >one thinks or feels about the Scientology Organization, I think >> > >something similar is happening to Scientologists in Germany >> > today. >> > > >> > >In a discussion with Joe Harrington on discrimination in >> > Germany, I >> > >asked for the similarities between what the German government is >> > >doing to Scientologists and what the Joe McCarthy Witch-hunts >> > did to >> > >people in the United States. I would like to expand on that >> > question >> > >in this post. >> > > >> > >Specifically, "what are the differences, similarities and >> > >identities between what the German government is doing to >> > >Scientologists today compared to what the US Government did to >> > >'left wing thinkers' through the Joe McCarthy witch >> > >hunts"? >> > > >> > >I think it is a good question to ask. >> > >> > Yes, I think it is a very good question. Dianetics and >> > McCarthyism came into being within months of each, McCarthy and >> > LRH had very much in common, LRH was also a very aggressive >> > Commie WitchHunter and he adopted many of the McCarthyism tactics >> > into the Dianetics organization and later into all of the Scn >> > organizations, mostly notably loyalty oaths, Black Listing and >> > electronic interrogations. >> > >> > I will title the subject as: Neo-McCarthyism and Scientology, a >> > Retrospection. I really have nothing else to comment on about the >> > Discrimination in Germany subject. >> > >> > Joe >> >> Thank you Joe for your comparision (???) between the actions of the >> German Government with those of the McCarthy era in the US. |