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Sex with PreClears
From: ralph@atnet.at (Ralph Hilton)
Subject: Sex with PreClears
Date: 1997/12/24
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On 24 Dec 1997 02:26:30 -0800, in alt.clearing.technology
tracyshap@rocketmail.com wrote:

>Reposted from alt.religion.scientology
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 02:31:00 -0800, whinger@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Message-ID: <349B9E64.75ED@aol.com>
>>Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 02:31:00 -0800
>>From: whinger@aol.com
>>References: <19971217030001.7753.qmail@nym.alias.net>
>><3497faa7.23787360@news.cso.at>
>
>
>>a typical Hilton response! A snide little dwarf, who fucks his PC's.
>
>I'm a bit surprised to see this alleged about Ralph.
>
>There have been a number of stories that Alan Walters was notorious for this.
>I hope such a practice is not common in the freezone
>
>Tracy

Someone went onto IRC at almost the same time (I was not there) as
this was posted to a.r.s. and started making similar allegations. He
logged on through a London ISP and on questioning about himself said
that:

1. He was OT9 and had trained to class IIX (whatever that is)
2. He has an original NOTs pack.
3. He met David Mayo once in East Grinstead.
4. He left the CofS in 1983.

Additionally he used the english colloquial expression "mate" in a
way peculiar to the London working class.

He only made statement 1. after being informed by a friend of mine
that was going to mail me a log of his comments.

For some reason the original to a.r.s. never appeared on my ISP. If
anyone has a copy I would appreciate it if they send me a copy so that
I can examine the headers.

There is only one person I know of who fits the above profile (except
for class IIX which was obviously a lie.)

As to the allegation it is a generalization which is hard to refute. I
would have to provide a full list of PCs with a statement from each
that I didn't fuck them. It would be therefore silly to respond.

I would say that I have audited several girls whom I have slept with.
That, however, is a difference sequence of events.

As I see it if one accepts a PC for auditing then during the course of
that auditing one has a responsibility not to take sexual, or any
other, advantage of the vulnerability of the PC. One also has a
responsibility to handle what Freud called transference phenomena
wherein the PC can misidentify the auditor with a past respected or
authoritative terminal.

If someone wishes to post an allegation that I slept with a particular
PC whom I was auditing then I will respond to the allegation.

I have heard no such rumors about Alan during the 25 years I have been
involved with Scientology. I would suggest that it is somewhat
irresponsible to make the allegation with no substantiation.
--

Ralph

"You won't always be here. But before you go, whisper this to your sons 
and their sons -
The work was free - keep it so" LRH 1957

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