: Re: A message from Stacy Young

Re: A message from Stacy Young
From: ralph@atnet.at (Ralph Hilton)
Subject: Re: A message from Stacy Young
Date: 1998/08/11
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On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:42:57 GMT, stacy8@gte.net (Stacy Brooks Young) wrote:

Hi Stacy,

I can see that OSA has been working hard.

Your personal life is not the business of OSA nor of a.r.s. If you chose to have
a relationship with Bob Minton then I would consider that your personal business
and not a topic for speculation on a.r.s. I am not saying that I  think you have
- I am saying that the speculation is the work of OSA.

That is your life. People often have several relationships in their lifetimes.

Many of us here have gone through troubled times with Scientology.

Having met Jesse some 16 years ago I am inclined to trust as I found him
likeable and honest.

But I last saw Mike Rinder about the same time and I found him to be one of the
nicest guys I met in the S.O.

Some of us here are very skeptical about anyone new coming into this newsgroup.

Steven Fishman came here with lies and it was only with the concerted effort of
David Mayo, Dennis and myself that his criminality became obvious.

I don't personally know where Jesse is coming from at this time. Nor RVY.

I don't accept that just because someone is upset with the CofS that they are a
credible source of information.

I regard some as FOS as I have posted.

I will respect your privacy and I think that almost all on a.r.s. will too.

But you have chosen to be here and part of being here is to recognize that the
slime may well crawl out of the woodwork and attack.

OSA for whatever reason haven't chosen to attack me despite my rewriting NOTs
and publishing it and putting up a public domain E-Meter circuit. I've had a few
relationships here and there, got drunk a few times and done a few other bad
things that I'll leave it up to OSA to talk about.

Again - your personal life is your personal life - please don't feel that anyone
here is asking you to defend yourself.

My personal belief is that anyone who starts to attack your personal life here
is just trying to distract from what we are talking about which is the current
state of the CofS.

>I am aware that Scientology has been working very hard recently to
>discredit and upset Vaughn and me by posting outrageous messages on
>a.r.s. about us. I have not felt I should honor these accusations by
>responding in any way. It has been obvious to me that Scientology will
>do anything to keep me from using my organizing skills to help people
>get out of Scientology and to bring former Scientologists together to
>expose Scientology's crimes in an organized way. Clearly they will
>also do anything to keep Vaughn from using his skills as a researcher
>and writer to expose Scientology and bring this criminal organization
>to justice. And it is no secret to anyone that Scientology has
>launched an all-out war against Bob Minton to prevent him from helping
>former Scientologists and to keep him from speaking out against
>Scientology in the media, where he is the most credible individual
>that has ever been willing to step forward and give a voice to the
>voiceless victims of this despicable terrorist cult.
>
>It is obvious to me that this latest vicious attack is because of
>Jesse Prince. I have known Jesse since 1976. He and I were good
>friends when we were in the Sea Org, and he was also a good friend of
>Vaughn's. Jesse and I were friends because he never lost his sense of
>humanity, even in his darkest hours as a senior executive in RTC. He
>never crossed that final threshhold that people like Marty Rathbun and
>Mike Rinder have done --  he never totally sold out to Miscavige. He
>never became a Nazi. He paid dearly for refusing to kowtow to DM, as
>did Vaughn and I. They broke him badly, and for five years after he
>finally escaped, Jesse was virtually in hiding.
>
>But someone in his family saw the Dateline show and told him about Bob
>Minton's work to help former Scientologists. Jesse sent an email
>message to FACTNet asking Bob to contact him and telling him he could
>verify who he was by asking his good friends, Vaughn and Stacy Young.
>He gave a phone number to call him.
>
>I was in Columbus, Ohio, when Jesse's message arrived at FACTNet. I
>can't tell you how happy I was to hear from my old friend. I called
>him immediately and had him fly to Columbus, where we spent a couple
>of days just catching up. I was the first person Jesse had spoken to
>about Scientology since he left in 1992. It was incredibly moving to
>hear his grisly story of being incarcerated at gunpoint out at Happy
>Valley during his last five years in Scientology. Many times I was
>moved to tears by what he told me.
>
>I told Jesse some of the things that people like Bob Minton, Lawrence
>Wollersheim, Dennis Erlich, Vaughn, and I have been doing -- the work
>we are all doing to expose the truth about Scientology, and how
>desperately we need more former members who are willing to speak
>publicly about what they know. I warned Jesse that Scientology would
>come after him and do everything they could to silence him. But Jesse
>felt strongly that he has a responsibility to tell the world what he
>knows, and he wasn't frightened by Scientology's intimidation and
>harassment tactics. He and I teamed up that weekend in Columbus, and
>he has been working with Bob, Lawrence, Vaughn and me ever since.
>
>Scientology had us under surveillance in Columbus, and when I flew to
>LA to meet with Jesse and Dan Leipold Scientology operatives followed
>us everywhere we went.
>
>I stopped by to say hello to Bob Minton after the LA trip and right
>before I went to Wellspring for two weeks of therapy. (My trip to
>Wellspring is the subject of a separate post that I will make within
>the next several days. It was an incredibly positive and helpful
>experience for me, one which I recommend highly for every single
>person who has been damaged in any way by Scientology or any other
>destructive cult.) The details of Scientology's harassment of me and
>of Bob Minton (and of Bob's use of his shotgun to get them off his
>property) while I was in New Hampshire are now very well known so I
>won't repeat the story here.
>
>What I will say, though, is that I have never seen Scientology as
>frightened as they have been in the past several weeks, since they
>discovered that Jesse Prince, Bob Minton, Lawrence Wollersheim, Vaughn
>Young and I have all joined forces to expose the truth about them.
>There are a few other key former members who are also about to join
>us, and I can assure you that when they do, Scientology's attacks on
>all of us will become more vicious than ever.
>
>Please realize that all of this personal attack we have been forced to
>endure is nothing more than Scientology's desperate attempts to divert
>attention from the real issue, which is Scientology's unbelievable
>abuse and harm to its own members and those who dare to criticize
>them.
>
>I am certainly no angel, and I have never even tried to make anyone
>believe that I am without faults or sins. God knows I am not. When I
>decided to become a public critic of Scientology I had to come to
>terms with the fact that everything about my personal life would
>become fair game to them. Every mistake I've ever made and every sin
>I've ever committed would be turned into something much, much worse. I
>m by nature a very private person. The extremely public nature of
>Scientology's character assassination of me has been very difficult to
>bear, but I have borne it because I know that if I let their
>disgusting tactics silence me I would be playing right into their
>hands.
>
>So every time they go after me with their incredible invasions of my
>privacy, and this recent onslaught has been one of the worst, all they
>do is reaffirm my conviction that these people must be stopped. They
>cannot be allowed to hurt people and then cover up their actions by
>destroying the only people who can expose the truth about them. I
>won't let them do it. They will never silence me.
>
>I have a request to make of you, the readers of a.r.s. Please respect
>my privacy even if Scientology doesn't.  Vaughn and I have separated,
>and we are both very sad about it. Our friends have been tremendously
>supportive and I will be forever grateful for their help. Vaughn and I
>will always love each other and support each other, and we will
>continue to work together to expose Scientology's harm and abuse in
>every way possible. But please allow us to deal with our personal
>sadness privately.
>
>I have a new email address: stacy8@gte.net. I would be happy to
>respond to personal messages. I would also welcome telephone calls
>from anyone who wants to talk to me. My number is 206-463-6809. I just
>don't want to talk about my personal life on the newsgroup. I hope you
>understand.
>
>Stacy Brooks Young

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