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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 17:02:35 EST
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From: Homer Wilson Smith <CTM%CORNELLC.BITNET@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA>
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((Here are some collected postings from Joe over the past
few days. Sometimes I am responding to him, so you just have to
guess who is him and who is me and who is others. It should
be obvious from the header.))
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 10:08:44 EST
From: CTM@CORNELLC
Subject: My drug use.
To: harrington_j-smtc@nova.novanet.org,
clear-l@ualtavm
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 11 Feb 94 02:38:00 CST
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>It's OK to be a meatball doper if you wish. We don't want to appear as a
>threat at this time. "incredibility" is our strength.
Yes, I am a meatball doper. You nailed it. However for
everyone's information, in present time I am straight of ALL drugs, and
have been for a LONG time.
I grew up on cigarettes, started in 5th grade after my mother died,
and later I changed over to pot to get off the cigarettes and help
the breathing problem. I have done most drugs except for psychiatric
drugs and heavy downers and opiates.
The drugs that were most addictive to me were antihistamines.
You know your average 'non drug abuser' uses caffein to get up in
the morning, alcohol to unwind after work in the evening, nicotine to
work all day long, aspirin to deal with his Real Man headaches that he
gets from using caffein, nicotine and alcohol. Then he uses anti
histamines when he gets real sick and wants his Mommy.
And you know what he does for a living, don't you?
He busts people for pot.
In general people consider drugs to be whatever they are not doing.
Homer
From: harrington_j-smtc@nova.novanet.org
To: CTM@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Re: P.S.
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hOMER,
A couple of more answers: You asked "why me?".. Well, apparently
you do not remember me, but I certainly remember you. CLEAR/OT is
kind of a neat state, but I'm not going to feed you any cognitions.
We will not have MIAs this time around.
Trust that I have more insight into your case that you could
possibly imagine and its just a matter of linking up with a couple of
other OTs who have a little higher Standard tech training that myself.
Then a a team, and with your agreement, we can get together and pull
you out the black bottomless pit you seem to be sinking into. You are
too valuable a team member to waste. In the meantime, keep the faith.
I'm still interested to hear what occured in Mar 91, when you
have the time.
From: harrington_j-smtc@nova.novanet.org
To: CTM@cornellc.bitnet
Subject: Re: VEIL OF FORGETFULNESS?
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Homer,
I havent read all the files on the Mormon post, but I have read
the Book of Mormon and if you could I would like there hear their
viewpoint on what exactly is the VEIL OF FORGETFULLNESS, and what was
it purposes? I should point out that I always considered the Mormon
people I met as very healthy and happy human beings, and ethical by
most standards of Traditional Religion.
I am working on a redraft on a piece on "MODERN RELIGIONS AND THE
DESTRUCTION OF SPIRITUAL CAPACITY" that I think might produce a lot of
TA action. I'll try to get it out in the next several days.
And in case your interested what I might have done elsewhere, my
Speciality was Implant Detoxicology. And its obvious you know where
Religion came from. This could be a lot of fun. Keep it up... We
might be able to run out the 4th dynamic engram on the Internet.
Those were some pretty straight to the first incident on the
track questions? Too bad you are not a REAL OT??
Joe
Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 11:39:05 EST
Resent-From: CTM@CORNELLC
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Joe,
Thanks for the answer. About our group in short: It is called
"Freie Zone e.V." (Free Zone registered Assoc.). Here an extract of
our self-description. It's members come from various scn-traditions
as you might call it. Purpose is not the defence of a single
scn-direction but to set up a kind of umbrella organization.
Goals
This association is an initiative by the supporters of
cognition-philosophies. A philosophy of cognition has to do with the
change and devolpment of persons through self-achieved cognitions.
Therefore one gains a greater understanding and responsibility to
oneself, others and to one' s entire environment.
The philosophy of Scientology is hereby of prime interest. It
has its roots to a great extent from Budhism. The philosophy states
in general that man can free himself from undesirable circumstances
through his own power with help from a precise technology of the mind.
We stand behind this philosophy and have had good experiences with the
use of this technology.
The association emphatically seperates itself from the official
and inofficial organisations of the Church of Scientology. Our goal
is to freely use the technology and philosophy of L. Ron Hubbard, the
founder of Scientology. In our opinion the free and unrestricted
pursuit with Scientology is currently neither in the Church of
Scientologly nor in society possible.
We want to promote a dialogue and to find a better mutual
understanding through a maximum of tolerance and respect towards other
beliefs and philosophies.
Members
The association can only then exist if the members actively
support the association's goals which are of non-profit making
character. The association strives for a better understanding of the
philosophy within the society. Everyone is welcome to support the
goals of the association either actively as a full member or passively
as a subscribing member.
Activities
.Scheduling of lectures and events
.Public Relations
.Establishment of information centers to work as a contact for politics,
the press and interested persons
.Writing and editing publications
.Contact and cooperation with organisations having the same goals as well
as religous groups, domestic and abroad.
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About the fall of the wall I can only say that it seemed well
planned to me. I doubt that somthing like this occurs simply because
people want to get free. We had other events in the past which had
just the opposite effect. 1. The building of the wall itself, 2.
Chechoslovacia (which was beaten down by Russia). The Unification
needed the agreement of Russia and the USA.
What are you doing? Do you have a group or so? What projects
are you working on.
Hope to hear from you soon
Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 11:42:46 EST
Resent-From: CTM@CORNELLC
Resent-To: clear-l@ualtavm
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Dear Enid,
Well, I thinks thats great what you are doing and it sounds like
your confront is high. For so many years I wondered where everybody
was? Was I the only one who made it through? It was really quite
lonely, Freedom isn't much good if there's no one to share it with.
Now I find that the only guys who truly made it were the ones who had
the integrity to leave and build the Bridge out here in the real
world. I'm glad I found you guys.
My sense is that RTC will be effectively handled, and not in the
courts. I am not involved in this, but perhaps 95 might be a good
year for the Free Zone. Anyway, they have all their eggs in one
basket now. It should be interesting.
I agree that the upper level tech that RTC is "safeguarding" is
bobby-trapped. LRH was no dummy, although theres a lot of people
running around ARC Breaks with him. He has a long habit of playing
hide and seek and sometimes upsetting team members. But he's the best
friend this planet has ever had and he has my eternal loyalty to the
pursuit of what we are trying to achieve here.
I had a nice comm from Flemming last evening and I find myelf in
total agreement with his assessment of the current scene and what the
future has in store. I learned some interesting data about Capt
Bill's situation and it certainly filled in some of the missing pieces
in my puzzle, and my non-confront of what had to be done. So I don't
have all the answers but my track will follow along the path of what I
articulated in VISTAG origins. Its not been easy for me, but I think
what you are doing is much harder. We are all part of the same team.
Joe
Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 11:45:27 EST
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Dear Joe,
I have been under attack by the Cof S goons for a year and a half
now so all well wishers are of value. It tends to neutralize the "bad
vibes" Sorry to say the Cof S has gone downhill so far and so fast
they wish the real operating thetans to fail. Oh well, it is their
MU. I am fine in general and I am still producing miracles as usual.
Love, Enid (LadyV)
Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 11:48:22 EST
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Resent-To: clear-l@ualtavm
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Dear Enid, (Homer)
Maine is a relatively un-enturbulated state, with a rather
depressed economy but the citizens are pretty much in good shape.
There is little crime and drugs and I guess you could say it is a safe
environment up here. I gave up a $70,000 per annum business and
survive up here on about 1/4 of that. There are no orgs in Maine.
Since 1989 I've taken some rather quick actions, often without a
full understanding, but I felt it was along a higher purpose line. I
was willing to surrender to a higher level then the one I operate at,
and in reflecting back, it have no regrets.
I'm still sorting out this Capt Bill thing, reviewing my journal
and comparing dates, events etc. 1990-92 were perhaps the strangest
times in this entire lifetime. I ended up in Flag 48 hours after I
re-applied after being out of comm with anything connected with the
Church for almost 12 years. I was banned from the SO and the upper
levels in 1979 because of my prior service in the Coast Guard.
Its kind of strange. I signed a SO contract after I finished
OT6, and after the Coast Guard tried to involuntary route me out
because of my membership during the time of the raids in LA. I had no
idea about what the GO was up to prior to the time I read it in the LA
Times. Anyway, the Coast Guard thought I was a "plant", so I
requested discharge as a Conscientious Objector, and submitted the
Creed of the Church as the basis of my objection to military service
and participation in war.
This was after 15 years service, and a rather comfortable life.
Anyway, my request for discharge was granted, I sold my house and most
possessions and waited to be fired off to Flag to train for NOTS.
Prior to my discharge, the FLAG GO ruled I was a "security
risk"because of my service in the Investigative Div of the Coast
Guard, which consisted of investigation of petty crimes and minor drug
cases on Coast Guard base.
FLag also felt I was a "plant". So at the age of 37, I was
pretty much tossed out on the street, rejected as untrustworthy by my
Church and my government. I was a man without any universes and these
were some dark times for a year or two. I did later find out while
reading a book by Omar Garrison that the GO had placed an agent,
Sharon Smith I believe, inside the Coast Guard Intelligence office in
Washington, D.C.
I had always indicated my prior employment in several orgs and
missions on all my statements of personal history forms and apparently
the Coast Guard was certain I was also a plant after they busted the
infiltrator in D.C. This was a strange time, the FBI bugged my phone,
surveilled my family, and sent a undercover over to my house posing as
an insurance agent. Real heavy scene.
Enough of that. What I want to say is keep me in the loop with
what you are doing on the Clearing Tech. I think Maine would be fine.
We need to build a global network. I believe RTC's days are numbered
and I can assure you I can handle any counter-intention that might
come my way. I feel we need to spread the load so you don't get hit
too hard when you start to expand. I still have my other hat to wear
(after I find it all) but I'm kind of getting into this
pan-determinism game. I know the tech, and I know what works. And I
can out C/S a CLXII. So you'll find no squirreling here.
So, keep it in mind.
Homer, I got the floppy disks and the postcards, thanks. I'll
remit something to cover your expenses and keep the exchange in. I'm
looking to upgrade this PC and I have the PDC tapes and transcripts,
mint condition, that I would consider trading for something a little
(lot) better then I have here. So, if you hear of anything, let me
know.
Sweet dreams guys,
Joe
Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 11:54:55 EST
Resent-From: CTM@CORNELLC
Resent-To: clear-l@ualtavm
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Dear .....
Thanks for the synopsis of your group. My perception is that you
are headed on the right path and it is consistent with the future
track of my universe. You have my highest intention that you will
flourish and prosper.
Scientology as presently organized was never intended as the
one-value solution for the problems of life. Its purpose was to
restore Freedom to the individual so we would once again be able to
create, much as you are presently doing in your zone. It was never
intended to be forced or spoon fed like the Institutional Religions
which now chains Humanity in Spiritual bondage. It became necessary
to call it a Religion pursuing Total Freedom, so as to serve as a
magnet for the small percentage of humanity that would oppose
spiritual freedom. These individuals now control the Church and one
phase of the operation has been completed.
It is now the responsibility of those in the Free Zone to create
anew, using all the tools and knowledge that was gained when you
passed through the first stage. What you create must now come from
you. LRH was only a teacher. We are all capable of attaining True
Greatness.
The planet is in the midst of a great transition. I had a great
ltr from Flemming last night, regarding Capt Bill's path and
Flemming's perception of what is currently occuring in this sector of
the galaxy. I found myself in TOTAL agreement with Flemming'
viewpoint. It is my view that the Bridge Capt Bill, Flemming and
others pursued was probably the one that LRH entrusted to them when he
moved uplines. I will reserve final judgement on this and at this
time I am not pursuing any Bridge. They'll be plenty of time for that
later.
I think I have made it clear that I continue to serve with LRH,
or whatever name he choses to use, and I have for a long time. I must
admit he is still a elusive being who has a habit of playing hide and
seek with his team mates. This sometimes creates a great deal of
upset in his team mates. But in the end we always end up electing him
as our team Captain. And he is one of the most skilled Game Players
in the Universe and Mankind has had no better friend.
I received today several floppy disks with the Sector 9 and
Teegeeak series from Homer. I can't download files with my present
setup. I'll be reviewing these files. It would appear I will be
picking up the hat of Capt Bill when he left in 92. I kind of
suspected this for several years and I must confess I had a low
confront of taking it. But to turn back now would be tantamount to
Treason.
I am assembling a task force of OT's to accomplish the orginal Command
Intention when the Sea Org was formed: "To create a safe environment in
which the Fourth Dynamic engram can be run out." This is a rather lofty
objective but the planet does not have enough time to go the route of the
lower levels. The game here is to get the entire planet in session and run
the incident necessary to resolve the case. What one might call Power
processing of a high magnitude of order.
But Ethics is senior to Tech and must go in first. It has been
going in in various degrees since 1986. Whenever you bring order to
chaos it does churn up the dust, as is ocuuring in Germany, Russia and
other areas. And it will be widespread in the future. But its just a
case of getting the pc's through the incident. Looks like it'll be
fun. Right now I am in a very early stage of assembling teams,
getting out comms, generally applying the Non-existence formula. I
think I'll know much more after I view the SEC9 bulletins. And I
agree you are right, that the SEC9 route is closest to the truth. I'd
welcome your viewpoints in this regard?
I had a rather lengthy comm with Homer over the last several days
and he is putting it together to be released to the list.
So please keep me posted on your progress and feel free to
communicate with me. I am here to serve.
Joe
Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 14:44:38 EST
Resent-From: CTM@CORNELLC
Resent-To: clear-l@ualtavm
Subject: Re: New Realities
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Flemming and Homer,
I've been reflecting on the comms of the last few days and it has
transformed my life. Glad I found you guys.
There remain much for me to sort out about the last 5 years, and
slowly its coming together. The two big areas is Capt Bill and LRH.
How I got this VISTAG gig is rather interesting. It's a rather
long story, but in 1989 5 beings appeared to me, and in retrospect, I
was regged into this project. Its almost hilarious, the interchange
that went on regarding this whole thing. It reads like a space opera
comedy. Homer, it might make good copy for posting if you like. I
was quite awake when it occured and I have not previously recounted
the details to anyone. But is was not an unpleasant experience. I
suspect these Missionaries were connected to the groups Capt Bill was
working with, possibly the Orions? I'm still piecing it all together
and its actually quite funny.
Homer, are you familiar with what Flemming was talking about: the
11:11 Door, Starborne, etc.??
((no.))
Flemming - What you said in your last two comms regarding the
transformation of the planet is quite real to me, although I must
admit some of the terminology on dimensions, vectors etc is not quite
clear. But I do know that what is occuring is ir-reversible and I
find myself shuttling back and forth between the old and the new
realities.
My wife is my Anchor and without her I would fly off this Earth
before I completed what I came here to do. I must say that the
individuals I met that were connected with the 11:11 and Starborne
were often nebulous to me, and this is understandable as we have
distinctly different roles. It is my sense that your role, at the
present time, is much different then mine, and of utmost importance.
Some day I will join with you in the New World we are now creating and
then will have plenty of time to tell war stories about the old earth
before we transformed it. But in the meantime I will remain connected
with you, for we are all part of the One. The illusion of separation
was a hard one for me to give up.
((Being a part of the One, Source, is not the same as being one
with each other. The One and the Many BOTH exist. The One is Source,
the Many are Us, who are connected to Source, and connected through
Source to each other.
No LRH is not Source, he is merely one of the Many.
Source is Source. Source is not a Conscious Unit.
Conscious Units are Conscious Units.
Source is not Conscious. Conscious Units are Conscious.
Source is the One. Conscious Units are the many.))
Flemming's description of the terrorist/freedom fighter beingness
was spot on!! It's one I have loved and play hard for a long time. I
was the op-term for the Implanters, and a very good one at that. I
put a lot of energy in the game. I still have some more to play out
in this area, but I'm a much wiser player then I was just a few weeks
ago.
Re: LRH - LRH is an old friend and a Master player in the game
that I loved. I think Flemming's remark about LRH getting out of hand
may be correct and he was relieved of his mission? I can understand
that, but I'll always love him. There's much more on this to inspect.
I do recall several years back when I was in comm with him, he was
quite enturbulated, calling himself "Xenu" and confessing all his
overts. It was rather bizzare. I touch bases with him from time to
time but my sense is that he is not a key player at this time,
although I thought he was. I've undergone some major change since
I've linked up with you folks, all for the better.
((Of course he is still a key player. He is just presently out
getting drunk amongst the stars, AWOL.))
In my view, there will still be an Earth when we move to a new
one and I believe there a is reponsibility to leave behind a Bridge
out for those who chose to remain behind. For long I thought that all
would choose the path to a higher awareness, but this is not the way
it is. We make the choices in our lifes, I guess thats what Freedom
is about. I was not always willing to let others make their own
choices, and it only inhibited my own freedom. But I am changing.
And there are as many Bridges as there are viewpoints. Again, I
wasn't willing to acknowledge that.
((The Bridge is the sum totality of wisdom on how to raise
the awareness of a being from Rock to God. Just as there is
only one Chemistry, and ALL chemistry falls under CHEMISTRY, just
so there is only one Bridge and Scientology, and ALL such Bridges
fall under the name Scientology (public domain name.)
You know there were all kinds of sub chemistry's going on before
Lavoisier and others came along and put it all together as chemistry.
There was lots to know about physical science until various and sundry
came along and put it all under physics and electronics etc. The
earlier subjects are not invalidated, but they have become subsumed
within a bigger frame work.
Same thing with medicine, look at all the mumbo jumbo that passed
for medical wisdom in the jungles of the Amazon until real medicine
came along and put it all together. Most of the stuff they knew in
the jungles turned out to be correct and is now called MEDICINE not
the magical mystery rites of African Warlock Mungobungobananawappe.
The old does not go away just because it becomes subsumed under a more
modern name with a more complete approach.
Just so with all the myriad Routes, and Paths, and Bridges that
now exist. In 200 years, when this subject has become a science we
can all be proud of it will be subsumed under a general name.
Sure every Mahatma who has his little flock of OMers will scream
bloddy murder about how you are debasing the One and Only Holy Path to
true Enlightenment, but seeing as how most of his followers are ending
up in the Holy Light of Implant No. 767 of 2 billion years ago, what
he is doing needs some improvement just as did the African Medicine
Man.
Once the subject of Englightenment becomes a SCIENCE, the way
chemistry, physics, electronics and medicine did, then all these
strange and somewhat useful paths will be subsumed under a general and
very workable name.
It might not be Scientology, it might be Clearing Technology,
or it might be something else, but it will be something, and
there will be One Bridge with many different routes across the chasm.
Your basic squirrel is not trying to do something OTHER, he is
trying to build a BIGGER, WIDER, more EXPANSIVE and FLEXIBLE bridge
that includes the one Ron built as is.
Any Tech Finder has this goal.
The idea that Tech is finite is just as stupid as the idea
that chemistry or physics or electronics is finite.
The Axioms may turn out to be finite, but the Technical
manifestations and approaches that can evolve from those axioms is not
finite, at least we have just begun to know what can be done and how
to approach a case. Especially if you start looking at handling
people En Masse.
You going to audit the 4th dynamic engram one person at a time?
Any time anyone says, we know all we need to know to deal with
everything from here on out, you know you have someone who is on the
way out. His knowledge base has become petrified, 'We don't need to
know no more because it's all done, it says so here in this little
book.'))
So for the immediate future I will work to bring together the
planet and create the opportunity for others to make choices, without
my judgement. And I guess thats all a Sector Coordinator is about.
And Flemming - I would welcome your viewpoints on what you
thought was needed regarding your statement about comm terms that
didn't Q&A? I put high value on your viewpoints.
Homer - your posting on "GODS OF DRUGS" was too much. It
effectively disintergrated a deeply imbedded chunk of
self-rightousness I have been carrying around for some time. Forgive
me for my unwillingness to grant you beingness. Once a Native
American, always a Native American. I had my sacraments too.
Also, the post of "scicobabble" was too much. I split my side
laughing.
I agree that free and open communication is essential and my
sense is that people have been witholding new realities and
communications about them for fear of invalidation. I know I had and
it only reduces your power. So I have no reluctance about comming
about anything. So you name the subject and maybe we can raise the
tone level up and encourage others to step forward and thus raise the
ARC of the net and expand the power of the Free Zone.
I have some ideas for handling the RTC, and they won't involve
getting into an opterm with them. But I think we might be able to run
out some group engrams and have a good time doing it. I'm still
researching this.
Flemming - I'd like to hear you views on how we can unite all the
groups connected with this activity and undercut all the things that
have so long divided us. I agree that Scientology has run its course,
but we still need to help those who saw it as a terminal and help pull
them up to a level were they can make self-dedtermined choices.
Scientology had the trappings of all past religions.
Good night guys,
Joe
Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 16:07:14 EST
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Flemming and Homer,
Well folks, it still early here and I am scanning through a
rather big file right now. I am agree that LRH went off line for a
bit, haven't we all?
My sense is that he is getting it back together, but it any event
its gone much beyond a one man game.
Regarding some real communication. Is not comm the universal
solvent. I'll withold nothing on my end., although the comm systems
are somewhat primitive.
Homer, you have my permission to re-transmit EVERYTHING, BUT I'LL
first seek Flemming's wise counsel here. I don't want to be another
Long Ranger again.
Joe
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 16:36:13 EST
From: CTM@CORNELLC
Subject: Re: Joe's bio.
To: harrington_j-smtc@nova.novanet.org
In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 17 Feb 94 14:58:00 CST
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On Thu, 17 Feb 94 14:58:00 CST you said:
>Homer,
>
>Well, I've bared my soul to the whole world and I hope that I'm not the
>only nut on this planet...But like I said before, I'd rather be a
>immortal and liberated nut case then a happy and healthy human being..
>
>Joe
You don't know the meaning of the word 'baring your soul
to the whole world.'
But stick around, maybe you will learn.
Homer
Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 16:53:37 EST
Resent-From: CTM@CORNELLC
Resent-To: clear-l@ualtavm
Subject: Re: NEW GAMES?
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Yea, I agree with ........., and we need to get all these closet
OTs out in the open and let others deal with the reality they are at.
I've spilled my guts out on my reality level and whats some of my
priorities are, in both universes, and the new universe I hope we can
all create.
Any comm you receive from me is OK for re-transmission in part or
in entirety. I would only ask that you to use discretion and deal
with the reality level people are at. I have no secrets from anyone.
Secrets was LRh's downfall, and it will be the downfall of the
planetary govts.
So I am totally open up for anything. So who needs help with
what, where, why the whole bit??? Who wants to do what, when, why?
What are the priorities for the planet? We are the guys who made
it, at the least the ones who have publicly acknowledged it.. What
about the rest of the planet?
The game has gone much beyond the scope of Scientology, if in
fact Scientology and LRH were ever more then a small part of the pix.
For many years that was my view. It is no longer.
So I'm open to all proposals, and I might make some of mine .
And Homer, your Sciobabble post was great. I hope this net is
not going to be an electronic pen pal club for apathetic OTs?
((Only if you turkeys keep talking amoung yourselves and not to
the net.))
Joe
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