: Re: Kim Baker: MY STORY CONTINUES: THE BEAST (Part 2 of 3)

Re: Kim Baker: MY STORY CONTINUES: THE BEAST (Part 2 of 3)
From: dmorgan@cts.com
Subject: Re: Kim Baker: MY STORY CONTINUES: THE BEAST (Part 2 of 3)
Date: 1996/09/02
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Kim Baker via Ron Newman  <rnewman@cybercom.net> wrote:

>Kim asked me to post this reply to Old Timer's message. -- Ron N.

>> Forwarded message:

>> > From: dmorgan@cts.com
>> > Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>> > Subject: Re: Kim Baker: MY STORY CONTINUES: THE BEAST (Part 2 of 3)
>> > Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 19:44:30 GMT
>> > Message-ID:  <50cod1$rfe@newsfeed.cts.com>

> Old Timer,
> 
> I no longer have Usenet access, and so have not been reading the
> responses to this. However, someone forwarded this to me,
> and in the public interest, I think it deserves a public
> response.

Thank you for the response.

>Old Timer wrote:
>> > Kim, you say you were not very helpful, but gave them
>> > minimal answers?
>> > 
>> > When asked about Old Timer, "you offered" to OSA that
>> > Old Timer, posting from the account of dmorgan@cts.com,
>> > (take the DM from "dm"organ) was in fact David Mayo! You
>> > had no proof for making such an erroneous statement, but
>> > you stood by your words, didn't you? Your words were wrong
>> > weren't they?


> It appears your contact inside OSA has their wires a bit
> crossed - perhaps you should ask OSA to send you the transcript
> of that particular tape?

I'm not in comm with OSA. I resent the suggestion, I'll chalk it
up to sarcasm.

 My exact response to that question
> was: "I once thought it was David Mayo - I was very certain it
> was,

Like I said, when you were asked about Old Timer, you offered the
above data. You gave OSA the idea I was David Mayo.
Like you just said, "I was very certain it was". Thanks for giving up
some of the truth anyway.


 but later heard that "Old Timer" is a woman who was
> once very close to Hubbard and his third wife." This is public
> knowledge, Dennis even once expanded on it, and said "Old Timer"
> is in San Diego.

cts.com is in San Diego.

> 
> The funny thing is, they weren't terribly interested in knowing
> who "Old Timer" was - they were actually quite amused - I think
> they already know who you are, and couldn't be bothered, or, you
> are a "troll".

Hmm, the above is rather an odd statement. If OSA weren't
terribly interested in knowing who Old Timer was, why then did
you bother to mention Old Timer in part 2 of the beast? Since I am
just a minor player, you could have left me out all together right?
But you didn't.

You said in Part 2 of the beast:

"....and they had a whole lot of questions which they fired at me
interrogation style. Who was "nobody@replay.com, SCAMIZDAT,
Old Timer, Rogue Agent and what did I know about...."

The troll remark I shall chalk up to further sarcasm.


>> > Seems to me, you enjoyed the seat of power you felt you had
>> > during this time. Even though you did not know what you were
>> > talking about, you caused damage. You led OSA on. You let
>> > them think you were in the "know", when in fact "you" knew very
>> > little.

> This is very interesting. Knew very little about what?
> The Free Zone? I had no wish to know anything about the "Free
> Zone", it's a wasteland. What little I did know, I didn't
> tell them, I protected them in that what the Free Zone
> does is none of their business - but who cares about
> the Free Zone? I don't. OSA have them down very low
> on their list, and I know of a few deals that have been done
> by some in the Free Zone - Walter, Gerbode, etc - perhaps
> it is time for some of those deals to be made public?
> So we can see just how "ethical" this Free Zone is?

You say you had no wish to know anything about the
Free Zone? Why then did you get yourself on a few
Free Zone lists? I say a few because you only knew
of a few. You never knew of the Free Zone Association,
thank God.

Walter and Sarge are not members of the FZA. Get your Free Zones
sorted out. You have some kind of cheek IMHO pointing out unethical
behaviour in others. See what you're doing in the above statement
concerning Walter and Sarge? You are doing it again. You are causing
trouble with your mouth. You again are offering data. Why do you feel
the need to do that? You want to post about Walter and Sarge?
Go ahead. Let all see your true colors.


> I can tell you this - when they have finished smashing
> Wollersheim, and FACTNet, and Atack, and Young, etc,
> they'll get to the Free Zone, eventually - make no mistake,
> Old Timer, you are dealing with the devil.

I do know what I am dealing with when it comes to the church.
To bad you didn't before you started running your mouth to
OSA.
> 
> But what I'm most interested in here is: why are you so upset
> at "damage done" to OSA?  Why? Why are you so upset at the
> lack of information, or the mostly useless information that
> they extracted from me? Why does that upset you?

Maybe you misread what I said? I did not mention damage done
to OSA. I said you caused damage. You led OSA on, by giving
them false data.

What upset me? Your stupid remark about dmorgan@cts.com
being David Mayo, had an effect on Doc Morgan. The effect
on Doc Morgan caused an effect on me. So much
for your remark that OSA is not interested in Old Timer.

When you were asked about Old Timer, you could have just
simply said the truth, I have no data on the poster Old Timer.
But no, that thing you have, the  "needing importance" thing, got
in the way. You then gave false data, just so you had something
important sounding to say.
> 
> 
>> > I hope the day comes when you can put this all behind you and
>> > finish your schooling. I feel however that day will not come until
>> > you tell the "actual" truth! Pleeeese....do not use the excuse I
>> > was brainwashed and could not help myself. You knew what you
>> > were doing, each step of the way.

> Let me put it this way - this whole area is filthy.
> Anyone that comes into contact with it gets infected,
> it's like a virus that taints people's minds and souls.
> I'm getting as far away from it as I can. That much, at
> least, should make you happy.

I meant what I said, I hope you can put this all behind you.
I hope you finish school. I hope too, that you have learned
an important lesson in some of this. Do not offer information
you have no information on. Just be honest and say, I have no
data.

I am sure you are sorry for the damage that has been caused
in your various flip flops. You have heard from others concerning
the effects your flip flops have caused. Now you have heard from
me and know your false data to OSA had an adverse effect on me.

Old Timer

> 
> Kim Baker
>--
>Ron Newman             rnewman@cybercom.net
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