Tape Transcripts : Debrief by Capt. Bill Robertson RA, Sector 9 [part 2 of 3]

Debrief by Capt. Bill Robertson RA, Sector 9 [part 2 of 3]

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[Part 2 of 3] A DEBRIEF

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I trained up more ships' officers and people in navigation and did some other things with helping the ship get more efficient. And we were cruising through Portugal and Spain at that time.

And it's interesting, because the Spanish OTL - it wasn't a liaison office yet, just a comm station actually, it was well yeah, an OTL - and the Spanish one, I think that was the year that it got thrown in jail. The guys there, I think it was Mike Douglas and somebody else.

You'll find this in the records, but they all got arrested there on some crazy charge that got relayed over by the United States, by the Government, that we were trafficking in drugs through Spain and this was the connection point and all. And the police came in, threw everybody in jail, treated them badly - they didn't torture them exactly, but they didn't give them much to eat and they kept them in isolation cells, wouldn't let them talk or see any lawyers or anything like that.

Finally they got word out by one person that hadn't been there. He found out they were in jail and he got a comm back to the ship. They sent a mission up to handle it. And they finally got a lawyer and got them out of jail. And they didn't find any drugs, of course, they didn't find any evidence, and they finally had to let them go. Well, that was the scene in Spain.

And then - so we set up an OTL in Lisbon, 'cause the Spanish one sort of didn't work too well, and they also gave Krasnianski the job then of getting the PR going in Madrid, you know, because Madrid was kind of a hot area. That was Krasnianski's job, to get OTL PR going in Madrid there. Meet all the right people. Get all the things we needed done there and make sure we didn't get hit with these damn things unexpectedly like this again. 'Cause we were still using Spanish ports.

At that time, the only thing on the ship was, we had to inform Madrid if we were coming into Spain so they could OK it at the Maritime Agencies. And they did. The Minister of Marine OK'ed all our comings and goings. No other ship in the world had to do this of course. This was just because they at least believed that we weren't as bad as they said. Although one newspaper, when the guy Carrero Blanco, one of Franco's guys, got assassinated, there was one newspaper that wrote up a story that said we had done it.

However, we weren't even in a Spanish port at that time. I believe we were in Madera. But there was that kind of attitude at that time. There was always some reporter coming around trying to get a story on the "mystery ship Apollo." What was it really? And what was it doing?

Our cover at that time was Management Services and Management Consulting and training people which we WERE doing. It was all true. Most of the management was for the Church, of course, but we also had some shore things going as well.

Anyway, that 1972 passed in such fashion, visiting various ports and so on, improving PR, and trying to get the GO again to HANDLE most of these government attacks on the OUTSIDE. But they were not very successful at this, and we know the reason why.

Meanwhile, LRH and his family are very safe and they still go to the movies and they're still together. And we actually had a premiere of a movie in Portugal, in Lisbon, where we rented a theater, and the whole ship went there.

It was a premiere of a movie by a Scientology director, Milton Katselas. It's his "Butterflies are Free" film. We were at the World Premiere shown there and LRH and MSH were there. The whole crew was there. It was great.

And in 1973, we visited various ports such as Dakar, Las Palmas, Madera, The Azores - we sailed through the Azores. We went to Spanish ports in the North of Spain, Portuguese ports, and so on. This is mostly a ship year and we were also handling some third party stuff that was coming down from England, through the English government. And they were trying to send these phony newspaper reporters aboard and get 'stories.' And we were also getting about 2 or 3 a year of 'false recruits' that were being sent in, that were hypnotized and drugged to come aboard and kill LRH. But we caught every one of them at HCO and sent them packing off the ship. So that was how the year passed. Now 1974, things got a little warm. And I mean by that in the beginning of the year I was sent out on a "New Civilization" Tour. This was LRH's big push for the New Civilization on the planet and it was a tour to go around and promote this and recruit lots of people for the Orgs and for the Sea Org.

Now, I went with Arthur, Arthur Hubbard, and two musicians and Pat Gualteri and Hal Holmes and a communicator. And those - there were about 6 or 7 of us - and we went to, oh, ten or twelve different cities in the United States sand Canada. However, the interesting thing about this tour - although it was very successful - we had 525 Sea Org recruits and about 150 Org recruits and about half those Sea Org recruits had to work at the Org to finish their contract first, but it was still a lot of recruitment. And that was in just three months. We were on this tour and some interesting things happened to show you that the enemy, although they are slow on the uptake, when they do see something to them that seems dangerous, they do take action on it.

Our event was a very powerful event, showing the decay of "modern" civilization and how a New Civilization could be made with Scientology. It was very aesthetic, well planned, and so on. At Washington D.C., the event was tape recorded by an agent - government - and he was spotted in the audience with a tape recorder and so on. He was the only one there with bad indicators. And he apparently gave this to his seniors.

Now, a couple of cities later, we find in Minneapolis that there was a threat to assassinate Arthur and myself by high-powered rifle, which we turned over to the GO at the time, and they provided some protection. This threat was actually called to the motel where we were staying and given to me by the manager.

And we got some protection there and at the same location, we did the event that night anyway, and the psychiatry faction in town sent in two people that were designed to go crazy in the event and cause a big flap. And the GO guys were doing a good job there at that place and they caught them at the door and turned them away.

We went on to Vancouver, and in Vancouver the local psychiatrist there, who was one of the SMERSH guys, gave a teen-age gang, one of those leather-jacket gangs, about 25 guys, teenagers - gave them drugs and told them to go break up the meeting that this "phony Church" was having. 'It wasn't really a Church, it was trying to get money off of people,' and so on. 'Go break up the meeting and scare everybody' and 'run 'em out of there.'

And they did. As soon as the meeting started, the doors burst open, 25 guys ran in swinging motorcycle chains and yelling and screaming and so on like that. And I just did 'Bring Order!' 'HCO Bring Order!, and 350 Scientologists got up and mobbed THEM ALL out the doors.

And then the GO guy there went out and talked with them, and the leader - and the leader was so shook up - he'd never had anything like that happen. He came back in and apologized to us and said this psychiatrist had given them drugs and told them to do it.

And the GO got all the data and the name and everything like that and the guys apologized and said that they didn't believe we were a Church, but they know we must be a Church now, because nobody would have that kind of togetherness in spirit to throw them all out of an auditorium. It was just FAST.

So we did that. And then this report went back to the ship and then LRH got a little bit concerned for Arthur's safety because the next place we were going was L.A. and it was presumed that since the gradient was increasing, there might be bombs or something like that planted in the auditorium. So the tour was called off at that point.

Just to show you that '74 was a nice year for attacks, we went back to the ship. And in September of that year, or early October, was when the "Rock Festival" happened in Madera.

I say "Rock Festival." It's not a musical event. It was a war, actually. That was when the American Embassy had tipped off the local Communist Party there that the 'Apollo' was a CIA ship. Portugal had just gone through the throes of its revolution, so at the time it was very 'left wing.'

And the Communists formed a big mob with torches and stones and rocks and everything and they came down to burn the ship. About 250 of them. And we fought them off for two hours and finally the local maritime police showed up with machine guns and dispersed the mob after they had knocked the Harbor-Master nearly unconscious in front of our ship with a 'two by four.' And we took him on board, gave him First Aid and he called some tug-boats and took us out to anchor where we would be safe.

At that point LRH said - there was also some guys of our crew chased with knives down the street and so on - but still, no one got hurt from our side. Well, two people got knocked out by rocks, but they just didn't stay down. But none of the family was hurt. LRH was not hurt. Mary Sue was not hurt. Nobody else was hurt.

And LRH decided then that it was time to leave this area. It was getting a little too bit agitated by these US Government people. When we traced back the lines it always came from the United States and that was when a guy named Henry Kissinger was the Secretary of State. The orders were coming from his office through the Embassies and CIA.

And we decided to secretly just sail across the Atlantic and go into the Caribbean. We did that. We went to Bermuda, and at Bermuda there was a CIA local resident there who tipped off the - we were intending to go into Charleston, South Carolina first and land in the United States and go right in there and handle these guys - but the guy in Bermuda, the CIA agent, tipped off the United States that we were coming - the FBI and so on - and they had 163 agents lining the docks.

And we got warned about that by our port mission and some good GO guys that heard about the pretended 'arrest' - they were going to 'arrest' LRH and so on, on some of these tax cases because they knew he was coming to the United States in Charleston.

Some [government] guy was bragging about this in Hawaii and wasn't aware of the time difference or something or thought it already had happened. Our guy in Hawaii got on the telex, and he telexed somebody in England and England telexed back and they finally got the people down in Charleston and they called us on the radio and we turned around the ship at about 15 miles out from the port, right outside the 12 mile limit, and didn't go in there. So, 163 agents didn't have anything for breakfast, namely us.

And that's a well known story, too, and that was right after the "Rock Festival" in Madera. So let me tell you, we've seen a few of these things and the guys on the ship, the guys that worked with LRH, they're all good fighters.

So we went down to the Caribbean, through the Bahamas and so on. And finally the State Department of the United States with Kissinger at the wheel - you know Kissinger is one of the top SMERSH guys, as you know - a Public Relations man normally, although he opens his mouth a little bit too much most of the time - but he's one of the 'evil beings' on the planet.

He then started telexing his embassies and so on in Barbados and Curacao, and what's the name of that place with all the oil and stuff there? Oh yeah - I've got it written right here - Oh yeah, I know what it is. This goes into 1975, I've just got to bring you up a year. Barbados, Trinidad and Curacao. We had attacks in all those places.

We were able to handle most of them because these countries are very small. We did get asked to leave a few ports and nobody could understand why, except it was some 'pressure' from the United States, they would "cut their foreign aid" or something if they did (welcome us ).

We also captured some telexes directly from the State Department that gave these orders and these were used in a lawsuit that LRH asked to be brought against Kissinger, the State Department, and several other named embassy and American consular officials. And it was filed in the United States. An 800 million dollar lawsuit against Henry Kissinger and other people in the State Department, who were in office at the time, by the way.

Now, the United States Government went through a whole series of convolutions to keep this a secret. It never appeared in the press. And this suit will become important in the next years, so just remember that.

That suit is now being pushed, pushed, pushed in 1975 through the courts in the United States, trying to get somebody to open it up, make it public, accept it, DO IT, see?

So anyway, we did a refit in Curacao and LRH decided to land in the United States anyway. See, he never gives up his intention. He couldn't land in the boat. He's now going to land all the crew there. They all went in separate airplanes, different times, different places. In all, we filtered in two or three hundred people, mostly the foreigners first, then LRH and MSH filtered in. Of course, they travel always on separate planes for security. And then the last part was to get the ship all cleaned out. Ready for sale. And he had a mission finding a hotel in the South. There was a good climate there so he could set up the Flag Land Base, because we were processing and training people on the ship at that time. But now we wanted to do it on shore where we could really expand.

And they found the FH (The Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, Florida) and they bought that. Now the FH was bought in Clearwater, as you know, in 1975 and I did the cleaning job on it. It was nasty. After I had gotten the ship ready for sale and left it with a prize crew, we got the FH ready.

And at that time I became aware of something LRH was investigating in Clearwater, which was the fact that the Mafia was interested in having gambling in Florida, and when they did get this passed through the legislature, (because it's illegal right now) - but when they did get open gambling passed through the legislature, they had different towns selected out to be the head gambling places and Clearwater was one of them.

These Mafia-connected businessmen and so on in Clearwater wanted the Fort Harrison to be the first gambling casino in Clearwater. Therefore, they didn't want it to be sold to anybody that would keep it. And that is the source on the entire attacks on the Church in Clearwater. All they want to do is get us to move out of the Fort Harrison so they can have it for gambling when they pass the law in Florida, and that is the entire source of it. There's no other reason for those attacks. That is it. The business-men stand to lose a lot of money unless they can sell that hotel to the Mafia. So LRH found this out in 1975 and the GO kept forgetting it all the way up until 1980, I haven't heard it mentioned then. But they could stop any attacks down there by just letting people know that this is what it really is.

Anyway, 1976 now, we move along. The Flag Land Base was set up. I did the post of CO FSO, I did some missions out to PAC area, I got appointed CS-1. LRH, meanwhile, had not moved into the Flag Land Base, because of this attack scene going on down there at the time from the local Clearwater Mafia. He lived nearby, in a small town nearby, and then he moved to California with a small staff in 1976. Whereupon, he started writing the movies, the films, the tech films, and so on like that. And he wanted a good place to do that, and that was his job there, to get those films produced, to keep the Tech standard. Started it out in 1976.

Now I did the CS-1 post, found out a lot about Ethics and Justice in the United States at that time which was in very poor shape. I could tell you some horror stories from that but you've probably heard them all anyway. I tried to get Justice and equitable Ethics going in, fairness, and truth, and was getting pretty successful at it. I had a lot of people writing to me and trying to get things done and I did them; I got the Review Comm-Evs and got evidence pulled out and found out who the real bad guys were, and everything. And I think I did pretty well on that post. And I was fully hatted for it, by the way, A to I.

And then I went on my annual leave, and when I came back, they needed me on the CS-E post. So I took the CS-E post because that was the big flap at that time. I always have to go where the flaps are, you know, and got on the CS-E post and I was on that late 1976 and early 1977.

First thing I had to do in 1977 was handle the Toronto fire, early in 77. The Org was burned down. By the way, this is confidential GO data, but it's no use holding it this late in the game.

The guy who burned down the Toronto Org - it burned completely to the ground - was a plant. He was in there and he set the Mimeo files on fire - you know, the hanging sheets with the Mimeo fluid in them; they burn real well. It was done at night and the guy disappeared. Couldn't find him of course. Actually it was arson. He burned the Org down at night. And there wasn't many people around and it was after hours and nobody got killed but they lost everything in the Org - they thought.

Except Ed Brewer and myself went up and salvaged everything and got them a new Org building in a Hotel, rented, for about the same price that they were running, and got them back into Power stats within one week. The same week the Org burned down (on Friday night), by next Thursday they had 27,000 dollars in GI, which was the highest stats they'd ever made since 5 FEBC's had gone back in 1970. (I believe that was the highest stats they'd ever made.)

So, I was quite successful in that.

Then I did some PAC missions, (missions out in the PAC area), and went out there to help with the Cedars refit. As CS-E that was - the biggest project we had going in the whole world - was refitting Cedars.

And that same year was the raid on the Church there when the FBI had broken in and taken all the records in the B-1 files from the Cedars area. And it's very interesting that those B-l files are now reposing in an FBI secret headquarters in Encino, California.

I have given all this data to the proper people in the Church, but I don't think anybody's gone out there to see the files. I have seen them. They're in the basement there. And since it's an illegal place, the FBI's operating it under the name of an Insurance Company, Zenith Insurance Company. It's not really an FBI place, so there's no reason why we couldn't subpoena them and get the files back.

But, of course, as I told you before, since Bob Thomas put that thing in the file in 1968, everything I've said is really "hallucinations." But no, nobody just goes and looks. That's all I ask you to do. It's all LRH ever asked us to do was just go look. Well, I've done the looking. Anybody else, I don't give a damn whether they believe it or not, but if they ain't big enough to go and look, then they ain't big enough to know. And they ain't big enough to go OT, either.

Anyway, 1978, the Cedars refit mission was still going on and then I got qualified to go to SU. Now SU is a Special Unit were LRH was making the films. They needed some more people out there, some execs and so on. And I went out there in August, 1978. Now, just before I arrived there - the first thing I found out there when I arrived is - there's no GO there, there's absolutely no GO there, and the GO is prohibited from being there and the CMO and the SU people are prohibited from talking to the GO, or any GO terminal, or having any written comm to the GO, or any kind of connection with the GO. And this is because LRH had kicked out any GO terminals from SU.

And he had done that for a very simple reason. They had non-complied grossly with his order. Because in 1978 the indictment came down on the "nine" (and Mary Sue) that the FBI had done from the files that were stolen from the Church. And LRH had offered, right away, he had ordered the GO, lawyers and so on, to TRADE the Kissinger 800 million dollar suit to the government. See, because it was quite embarrassing to them. And it was embarrassing to SMERSH too.

And it was getting a little more play now. I think one Washington paper had mentioned it. So he offered to trade that suit off: To say we "have insufficient evidence" if you say you "have insufficient evidence" in the Mary Sue and nine conspirators case.

That was his order. To trade those two, equal off. They drop the case on Mary Sue and the nine. We drop the case on Kissinger.

The GO didn't do that. They traded that suit for one of the IRS appeal suits. And LRH was so mad at them that he kicked them all off of the SU area and he wouldn't have any more comm with them. He warned Mary Sue at the time "There's something wrong in the GO. There's something very wrong in there. They're not complying. They're not acting as if they are on our side."

And Mary Sue didn't get the word. She didn't look hard enough, or she didn't believe it, or there were too many people on her lines telling her that things were "other" than what LRH was saying.

But in actual fact, the people on her Controller's Committee, right underneath her, and between her and Jane (because they were senior to Jane) there were two people in there that were working for the government. And they were James Mulligan and Anne Mulligan. All right.

Now, the "trade off" was messed up, and also, as you know, you probably know, or maybe you don t know, but have the court records. You may have seen these court records of the Mary Sue case and there's this guy in it named Michael Meisner.

Now we're getting into some other people's tracks but have this from the sources themselves, the stories heard from them directly, and that is: The whole reason Mary Sue and the nine got indicted was because of this break-in that the GO did in Washington to get these papers on Scientology having to do with the stealing of the documents from Cedars.

It's all involved in that case anyway. And what happened was that this guy Michael Meisner was the one that proposed the break-in. He was the AG Washington. Now, the funny thing is that two people in Washington at the time when he proposed that - before it was even done, before it was accepted - KNEW and had evidence that he was a government agent. Those two people were Bill Franks and Lynn Murphy.

Now, those two people wrote up reports on separate lines - 'cause Franks was Sea Org and Lynn was GO - they wrote up reports on separate lines to Mary Sue to tell her that Michael Meisner is a government agent and he should be gotten out of here. He's not a GO guy. He doesn't think like us. He doesn't act like us. He has connections to the Government, he is trying to get the Church in trouble, etc, etc, etc.

In other words, they EXPOSED him. They sent the things up the line. Jimmy Mulligan stopped these communications from going to Mary Sue. They did not go to Mary Sue. He ordered, through the connections he had to the Sea Org, from his mysterious GO post of Controller's Committee, that Bill Franks be removed from Washington Org and Comm-Eved and RPF'd and he was. And that Lynn Murphy be bought back to PAC and Comm-Eved and RPF'd and she was. And she was also kicked out of the GO. And they were so spinny, they didn't even realize what it was for. But it wasn't for any of their stats or anything. It was just the fact that they had tried to expose a plant.

Now, you realize that if those comms had been allowed to go through, then Mary Sue would never had gone to jail. And I don't know if you've found that out, I think I told you, but it is a fact now that Mary Sue is in jail. She's in a prison for women in the East Bay - it's called East Bay of San Francisco Bay. It's quite a nice place. It's a white collar prison. But she's still in prison and she should not be there.

I wanted to point out something else, too, on the GO's head, and these plant's heads. That since 1976, before 1976, all the years that LRH and MSH and the family were on board the ship under the Sea Org protection, they were totally safe. Nobody touched a hair on their head. Nobody got them in a court room.

Since they moved ashore they were under GO quote "protection" and since that time, Mary Sue is in jail, Quentin is dead, LRH had to move off the lines because of 18 or more subpoenas on him for various civil cases against the Church, and the family is quite dispersed.

They don't get together for birthdays anymore. Diana, this year, has said that she can't even get her comm through the CMO to the Old Man. She can't even communicate hardly to her father anymore. She writes up there but she don't know if anything is getting through or not. And Arthur is now kicked out of SU. And so is Suzette.

They are not in SU anymore. They were quote "knocked out of SU" for quote "out security." When in actual fact the thing is that they are very vulnerable themselves to any attacks because they are members of the family. And they should be protected. And they are not being protected. And they're all in the Los Angeles area now.

And Diana is trying to take care of them. And she's also trying to help her mother. And I also pledged to her that I will do anything in my power to help get her mother out of jail.

And that whole thing I say, was caused by the fact of infiltration and plants in positions in the GO. And of course we all know that Mary Sue should have spotted them but there were two right under her feeding her Legal, and Intelligence data.

James Mulligan was in charge of Intelligence and his wife Anne Mulligan, they're both homosexuals, by the way - they got together to make a good "show" - but they chopped all the Legal and intelligence lines to Mary Sue, and just let through what they wanted her to see, or wrote up their own reports the way they saw it, or the way they wanted it to be, and that was the way the Government wanted it.

So, these things were all found by me in the next couple of years, and they are all logged and written down and debriefed at several places. I will tell you where they are in just a moment but I've got to go through 1979 first, 'cause in late 78 the location where the boss was filming got blown by two people that went to Las Vegas.

They blew from SU Area, from the film area. They were like new recruits. They blew. They were "family" of some messenger or something and they blew and they went to Las Vegas and tried to get $10,000 from the FBI to reveal the location. The FBI said "No, reveal it anyway," and they did.

And they went to the newspapers, and they tried to get money from the newspapers, and the next thing you know people from Las Vegas Org were over there running around in their cars trying to see LRH. So he said "We've got to get a new location." So we did. We got another new secret location for filming so we wouldn't be bothered. And it's still in California. And this one was where the current CMO INT people are, and the Watchdog Committee, and all that stuff.

The Watchdog Committee, by the way, is just the executives and division heads of CMO INT. That's all it is. There's nobody else on it. Or there wasn't when I worked there. Maybe now, but there wasn't then.

And they all call themselves the Watchdog Committee because their purpose was "To watch over Scientology and make sure it stayed on LRH Policy." Isn't that strange?

Well, now they seem to be setting their own policy. But that's the way they were. They were very "status oriented" people. And the LRH messengers (there were good guys that were in it in the beginning when it was running well) are all gone. They've all been removed from it. And who removed them?

Well, you have to look at who's the head of it and who is the guy that's running it. It's the heads of the CMO and the Special Projects people at CMO INT. And I was there. I was the CO of SU, which is the Special Unit, the whole thing, not the head of CMO INT, but the SU part that's doing the films and so on, and I worked with LRH for a year and a half out there, and since the GO wasn't there, I did all the Legal and Intelligence for him. And hatted up Leo Johnson on how to do it, so that he could take over the Div 6 hats of PR, and so on, for the base.

And I got to know LRH's Legal and Intelligence and Public Relation Policies very well, 'cause I had to get hatted on them myself. And he was personally directing me and handling these by conference and by written dispatch.

And while I was up there as CO SU, one day I got removed. The messenger came over - I just want to show you how things can get altered. LRH lived in a house not a hundred yards from where I was in my office. And a messenger came over and told me I was removed. It was an "LRH order." And that I was to go down to Estates and work in the garden. And I said, "Well, I'd like a Comm-Ev, because I don't know why this is. My stats are not bad, etc, etc." She says, "Well, it's an LRH Order. Are you going to do it or not?." I said, "Well, since you say it's an LRH Order, then it must be, because messengers never lie."

You see, that was their thing. They never lie, they said it was an LRH Order, it was. So I said "All right I'll do that" and "I'll go down there, and I'll request a Comm-Ev on lines." And she said, "OK, turn over to your Chief Officer." So I did. And I was down there working on a tractor and then another messenger came by and said, "What are you doing down here working on a tractor?"

And I said, "Well, I have been removed," and so on. And she said, "What! I don't remember that. It wasn't in the traffic." So she ran over to the LRH house just a hundred yards away, looked through the traffic, there was no such order. She came back and said, "That's a lie. Who told you that?"

And I said "This messenger here, her name is Cindy or something." And she went over and grabbed Cindy and asked her what she did and she said, "Oh, yeah, I thought it would be a good idea."

They checked into Cindy - these were some of the ones that the Boss had trained - they checked into Cindy the ones that the Boss had trained checked into Cindy and they found out she was an unhandled LSD case. She had about 20 or 30 trips of LSD and never handled and she was totally hallucinating all the time. Really hallucinating. And she thought she was a little "god," and she was running around "firing" everybody and saying it was LRH doing it and so on like this.

So they dismissed her, quickly. Sent her back to her mother. And I just wanted to show you that I was only a hundred yards away from the place where LRH actually lived, and I accepted an order that I thought was from LRH and it wasn't.

OK, now they will also write those down and give them to you, right? And they will type them up and sign them "R," and give them to you. And sometimes they ain't from LRH. I just want you to know that. 'Cause I've worked there for two years and if those kids have had LSD, they will do that sometimes, just because they get a bit "Waugh, waugh, waugh" (Uppity). Now that's when LRH was there.

Now he's not at that location (SU) anymore, because the second location we got, got blown too. It was on television, for Christ's sake! and in the newspapers. So it's a totally blown location and he never moved there. He moved back to a nearby town. And then he moved from there. And he moved from the next place. And he moved from the next place.

So he was three steps AWAY from the SU area and the CMO by the time of 1980. That's 3 vias. And he left a messenger at each point to relay comm and to make sure the lines had enough "breaks" in them so that nobody could trace them down. He had courier set-ups and so on like that.

So anyway, in 1979 we got this new place and I was working on that and then the CMO was given the job of getting the whole of Scientology operating totally on Policy, and make sure every Org was operating and do an eval on each Org and so on. So most of the evals required missions, and at that time LRH was "close" to the lines, (in 79) he was only living a few miles away. And we did missions to all the Orgs.

I was then put on as Chief Missionaire, because I had most of the experience in missioning. And I did missions to Flag, St. Louis, FOLO WUS, St. Hill Castle, the Eval Unit, etc, etc. Now on these missions in 79, I started discovering... - you mostly know, you go on a mission and it's usually a down-stat, out ethics area and you find things. And you find things like somebody trying to be a plant, or you find somebody that's been PDH'ed, or something like that.

Well, I kept reporting these to the GO as you should and I kept reporting them to the GO and then I'd go on another mission and find out that in that place where I'd just done a mission, that nothing had happened to these guys. They never did remove them, they never cleaned them up, they never fixed them, they were still there! Some of them had even been promoted!

So I went to this guy Jimmy Mulligan, who was the highest "visible.".. - 'cause Mary Sue was living in her own place then. You see, the Boss and her had to live in separate places because she was under surveillance by the Government all the time since she was "indicted" now, you see. And she had to live at a separate house in a different town. So I couldn't get to her. And that was a secret location. And the Boss was in a secret location.

And so I went to Mulligan, who was the highest intelligence terminal in the GO, he was the Controller's Committee for Intelligence. And I went to him, I said, "I want to talk to you." (This is in late 1979), I said, "I' ve been spotting these plants in the Organizations. I've been reporting them to the GO and the GO has done nothing about them. Why not?"

And he looked "Oh!" This had shocked him because it came from left field. I just met him in the hall there, you see, and he didn't have an answer ready. So he said "Ah...ah.., well.., if we ..if we... shoot them.., uh..uh..uh..,they might send in others and we don't know who they are."

I said, "That's a lie man. What are you giving me that bullshit for. Anybody can find a plant on a meter," I said, "That's a lie." So he said, "Oh well, yah, ..uh.., yes..,uh..., well it was Mary Sue's policy." And I knew that was a lie, too. Because I've done missions for Mary Sue and I know how she feels about plants. So he lied to me twice there.

And the next thing you know, he did a little 3rd party on me to the CMO and got me in a Comm-Ev. So that I "wouldn't remember," you see. But anyway, I remembered that. That he wouldn't do anything about this, and he was lying to me. I didn't know why at the time, but it later became apparent.

That was late 1979. In 1980, I kept doing missions and I kept going across those same damn plants, you know, sitting in there. There's one... - like that girl Debbie Mace out in the field. She was an agent provocateur, tried to get the Church in trouble, in every thing she was doing, she was reporting back to the FBI all the time and had all her contacts set up. Heber Jentzsch knows her, and he knows that she is a plant.

She did an agent provocateur trip on him and got him hung up in an attack on Scientology in the California State Assembly a couple of years back. And he had tried to get something done about her and nothing had happened.

And every person she'd audited... - (she's a field auditor) - and she kept trying to mince her way into the high security areas, and she offered to audit for the GO one time... - and everybody she audited went either out 2D or blew. So they finally had to fire her. Some of the good guys realized that she wasn't a good auditor. Anyway she kept mincing around and trying to get into Flag and audit execs down there and I caught her again auditing at Flag as a volunteer in auditing high-security people like Ken Urquhart, and so on like that.

And I got her the hell out of there and I reported her again to the GO. I said, "Get her the hell off your lines, man, she's this... - here's her records, here's her ethics records, go look up her file, it's in the ethics files down at Flag. You'll see the whole thing with her, man!"

And she was also responsible for out 2D liaisons in Columbia. She used to go down to Columbia and they had a few connections down there to the high officials down there to sleep with them - married Government officials and so on like that. It was all in the file. There's this whole report. Then I asked these guys at Flag GO to do something about her... and they didn't. Because they had to write up to get permission. Because she was from the L.A. field. And when they wrote up to L.A. of course... they said no.

Anyway in 1980 I'm still doing these missions, but I'm getting all of these various intel lines now are starting to come together. 'Cause I'm moving all over the U. S. mostly and I started realizing that there was a little bit of some kind of criticism coming up, after this little Comm-Ev, which I got out of by using my Kha-Khan. Because the Boss had given me a Kha-Khan in 1976, I believe it was, or 75.

He said I was the most successful ship's Captain and Missionaire, and so on like that. So I used one of my Kha-Khan things and got out of that Comm-Ev.

And I was carrying on with these missions and since my wife Joan, (this was when I started doing these missions) while I was on one to England, she left and went back to Boston and she wouldn't come back. And she said that the CMO was not acknowledging her value to the Org, not letting her work and so on like that, and she wasn't getting any money and she was going to die if she didn't, so she went back to work and trying to straighten up her Social Security. That's what she said anyway. I don't know.

Perhaps she had other fish to fry or perhaps she had gotten... - she did get sick around that time, so she had to go to the Shaw Clinic. So perhaps something had happened to her there. Because in my investigation I found out that there was a person named Vicky Sammler, a Doctor, that was put into the Shaw Clinic to make sure that several Scientologists got a little PDH and drugging every now and then if they were top execs. And Vicky Sammler was the one that was using drugs, and so on, on Scientologists. And any Scientologists that's ever been to her will tell you she was a black thetan and she was up to no good.

But anyway, there is evidence that she's given drugs to Scientologists. Doesn't use Touch Assists. Doesn't use any LRH tech. I don't know why they kept her there except that probably the Government had some kind of threat over the rest of the people that worked there. Income tax, perhaps, who knows?

But anyway, the missions went on, and, oh, there's plenty of stories, but let it suffice that I tried to get these people handled, that I found. Reporting them to the proper terminals and so on, and debriefing on them, and trying to get somebody to take responsibility for these plants.

After I'd turned them over to the GO, then nobody would handle them. So that's what you were supposed to do in those days. Now at that time, my wife had been gone for a year, so I decided to find another partner to do missions with.

And I proposed to this girl named Helga Wagner down at Flag, and she didn't want to marry me. She wanted to stay out on the outside and do PR stuff. And then I proposed to a girl named Linda, and the same thing. She had a kid and she couldn't come to SU, so she stayed down there at Flag.

And about this time I discovered that while I was doing this stuff, there was a fellow in the CMO there, in HCO, named Jay Okamoto, who was, privately, behind my back, writing telexes about my letters to these girls.

Of course he had to read the letters, you know, to do that, and there was a security thing there that they had to read letters to see if you were giving away the location, but since this was nothing to do with the location, he had no business doing anything with the letters.

But what he was doing was telexing to all the CMO units saying to not let, or to prevent these people from saying "Yes" to me. In other words they telexed about Linda, for instance, to Flag and he said "This is serious. Get Linda and take her over to the side and tell her to refuse Capt. Bill's proposal. We can't have this happen," etc., like this..., and I looked at these telexes. These are not Scientology telexes. They are agent telexes.

So I took one of these telexes, pasted it on a big sheet, and petitioned the CO CMO INT... - that was Dede Voegeding; that this guy is obviously some kind of other-intentioned. He's not a Scientologist. He's trying to destroy any 2D communications and I propose that he, first of all, be gotten off my lines. I don't want him as any kind of HCO terminal on my lines, and I don't want the Qual guy, who he was also informing, as any kind of Qual terminal on my lines, because these guys are 1.1.

And the CO CMO, Dede, an old LRH messenger said, "OK, yeah, yeah," and she approved that and she investigated them. And boy, they had to do some fast back-pedaling to make sure it was all, "Oh, it was just a mistake, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla."

And they all went around, "Heh, heh," 1.1ing for a little bit.

And then on the next mission I went to Flag, I met Dafna and we hit it off pretty well, and I proposed to her and next thing you know, there was some more Okamoto telexes saying that, "She can never join the Sea Org. Don't let her in the Sea Org." and so on like this. And I found these telexes, and this time I realized -"Hey, wait a minute this guy is actually operating like an agent. He's actually saying that somebody can't come here, yet he is HCO and he is a recruiter. He's supposed to recruit for the CMO and Dafna was going to join and come to SU and work there."

And, at the same time, mysteriously, after I proposed to her, a Comm-EV got called on her at Flag. And she's a PUBLIC. So it was interesting.

So she wanted to go ahead and do this Comm-Ev, and I saw something else in this. I saw something that was getting a bit arbitrary here. So my three weeks annual leave was due, so I went off on the leave and I eloped with Dafna and married her.

Now, we did that, and then we went down to Flag, still on a three weeks leave, and got married at Flag in a big ceremony, and also I went down to be a character witness at her Comm-Ev.

She was supposed to have had something like "bad PR" in the community or something. And so I went to the community where she was supposed to have the "bad PR." I went with her to find out what they thought of her - and they all loved her. So that didn't work out, and I could testify that she didn't have "bad PR."